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Post by Tom on Dec 13, 2021 8:43:49 GMT -5
Kearney allegedly had a mini-revolution among the players and despite that, he won more games in his first (and only) year than Nelson in 2 (1.5 years plus this season so far) and was fired. I thought that Coach Kearney won as many games as he did BECAUSE of the player revolt. Not that the revolt was an obstacle in winning games
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 13, 2021 8:54:55 GMT -5
I remember it that way as well.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 13, 2021 9:34:25 GMT -5
You raise another concept. Since RP, Sr. we haven't had an AD with the gravitas to successfully handle a situation like the alleged mini revolt against Kearney you mentioned or to know the signs of Kearney/Nelson being a little lost and the skill to help snap them out of it early on by giving them direction and focus. Not that Perry worked miracles with every coach, but I bet he could be helpful and viewed that as part of his job. FADMB did play varsity college basketball but he didn't win collegiate national championships in two sports or be a legendary Hall of Fame HS coach before becoming AD at HC. Today AD is becoming like Hospital Administration. Veteran Physicians used to be the Presidents of hospitals but now it's mostly professionals who advanced through the industry, which like college athletics has become more complicated and litigious. On the other hand, the perception of many was that Ronnie Sr. would have pulled the trigger on Raynor sooner had Bill not been one of his former players. Didn't happen until ADDR took over. Don't get me wrong, in retrospect, Bill, whatever his coaching faults were; was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, just like Peter Vaas. And Bill and Peter coached during a period when HC had not become inured to defeat unlike sadly, today. Also, the HC BB dumpster fire doesn't get a tenth of the ink that the UMass and UConn FB conflagrations in a steel trash container get. Professors are commenting more than sportswriters or commentators.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 13, 2021 13:01:26 GMT -5
Kearney allegedly had a mini-revolution among the players and despite that, he won more games in his first (and only) year than Nelson in 2 (1.5 years plus this season so far) and was fired. I thought that Coach Kearney won as many games as he did BECAUSE of the player revolt. Not that the revolt was an obstacle in winning games I remember something to the effect that his practices left a lot to be desired vis-a-vis RW's; not strategy per se. Things like that make you wonder how Brey has hung on to the job this long. Not like ND has the recruiting success in basketball they have in football to cover up his deficiencies.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 13, 2021 13:03:26 GMT -5
On the other hand, the perception of many was that Ronnie Sr. would have pulled the trigger on Raynor sooner had Bill not been one of his former players. Didn't happen until ADDR took over. Don't get me wrong, in retrospect, Bill, whatever his coaching faults were; was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, just like Peter Vaas. And Bill and Peter coached during a period when HC had not become inured to defeat unlike sadly, today. Also, the HC BB dumpster fire doesn't get a tenth of the ink that the UMass and UConn FB conflagrations in a steel trash container get. Professors are commenting more than sportswriters or commentators. I guess if Holy Cross had been ok at one level then jumped up to a different level and said dumpster fire happened, you'd hear that sort of thing. But we're in a league where the only press occurs in March, involves the winner and maybe the runner-up; and not for long.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 13, 2021 13:16:06 GMT -5
And Bill and Peter coached during a period when HC had not become inured to defeat unlike sadly, today. Also, the HC BB dumpster fire doesn't get a tenth of the ink that the UMass and UConn FB conflagrations in a steel trash container get. Professors are commenting more than sportswriters or commentators. I guess if Holy Cross had been ok at one level then jumped up to a different level and said dumpster fire happened, you'd hear that sort of thing. But we're in a league where the only press occurs in March, involves the winner and maybe the runner-up; and not for long. And there are no more T&G sports columnists like John Gearan '65 who felt free to criticize anything or anyone including sports idols like Larry Bird and Doug Flutie.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 13, 2021 16:57:04 GMT -5
I guess if Holy Cross had been ok at one level then jumped up to a different level and said dumpster fire happened, you'd hear that sort of thing. But we're in a league where the only press occurs in March, involves the winner and maybe the runner-up; and not for long. And there are no more T&G sports columnists like John Gearan '65 who felt free to criticize anything or anyone including sports idols like Larry Bird and Doug Flutie. Gearan is probably happy as hell the program is in the dumpster. Father Brooks' main apologist (right or wrong) at the T&G.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 13, 2021 17:29:15 GMT -5
I thought that Coach Kearney won as many games as he did BECAUSE of the player revolt. Not that the revolt was an obstacle in winning games I remember something to the effect that his practices left a lot to be desired vis-a-vis RW's; not strategy per se. Things like that make you wonder how Brey has hung on to the job this long. Not like ND has the recruiting success in basketball they have in football to cover up his deficiencies. I tell this story every time Brey comes up. A local kid played for Brey at ND. He was being interviewed one day while still at ND. The interviewer asked what the biggest difference was between his high school and college experiences. He said, “Well, we watched a lot more film in high school.”
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 13, 2021 19:42:24 GMT -5
Tim Abromaitis?
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Post by HC92 on Dec 13, 2021 22:04:42 GMT -5
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 4, 2022 11:09:28 GMT -5
Does anyone know when Kit's first day is ? This weekend will be busy with M&W basketball and men's hockey on campus (covid permitting)
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 4, 2022 12:56:11 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone saw Kit’s Holiday message with his family. I’ll post it even though we are in the the last days of the season.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 26, 2022 19:28:18 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 27, 2022 18:36:55 GMT -5
Good comparison. PC is truly in the entertainment business so experience marketing the Paw Sox and understanding Providence area sports consumers (fans) is critical. I attended a non-HC PC game at the Dunk several years ago with a friend who's daughter was at PC. I noticed young business people still wearing their suits from work glad handing and networking. I assumed they weren't all PC grads or hard core BB fans but some were there to see and be seen for social and business purposes. Before the game we ate at an Italian Restaurant on Federal Hill and several diners had their PC regalia on. PC has attained critical mass to make their games a community event with strong attendance, sponsor and media revenue that is needed to fund a good chunk of the Athletic budget. So understanding the market and having relationships with sponsors/stakeholders is much more important for them than at HC at this time. HC is aiming to improve the athletic product but is not in the entertainment business to the extent Big East Schools are at this point. Since we aren't generating that much revenue from the community right now, an Associate AD can't point to his or her role in marketing as an indispensable asset that HC needs to succeed. Right now the generic athletic administration skills of a Kit can be plugged in to replace the similar skills of a Marcus without risking the loss of a good chunk of local marketing revenue.
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 2, 2022 16:17:47 GMT -5
Good comparison. PC is truly in the entertainment business so experience marketing the Paw Sox and understanding Providence area sports consumers (fans) is critical. I attended a non-HC PC game at the Dunk several years ago with a friend who's daughter was at PC. I noticed young business people still wearing their suits from work glad handing and networking. I assumed they weren't all PC grads or hard core BB fans but some were there to see and be seen for social and business purposes. Before the game we ate at an Italian Restaurant on Federal Hill and several diners had their PC regalia on. PC has attained critical mass to make their games a community event with strong attendance, sponsor and media revenue that is needed to fund a good chunk of the Athletic budget. So understanding the market and having relationships with sponsors/stakeholders is much more important for them than at HC at this time. HC is aiming to improve the athletic product but is not in the entertainment business to the extent Big East Schools are at this point. Since we aren't generating that much revenue from the community right now, an Associate AD can't point to his or her role in marketing as an indispensable asset that HC needs to succeed. Right now the generic athletic administration skills of a Kit can be plugged in to replace the similar skills of a Marcus without risking the loss of a good chunk of local marketing revenue. You could say that as the Villanova-Providence game in a few weeks have tickets STARTING at 70 dollars. Which I think is INSANE for a college basketball game. friars.evenue.net/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/SEGetEventInfo?ticketCode=GS:PROV:MB21:MB17:&linkID=prov&RSRC=SIDEARM&RDAT=sgl&_ga=2.75855837.9573311.1643777781-1773767008.1535659300
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 2, 2022 16:31:43 GMT -5
Seats in section 108 and 122 are $200.00 each.
Providence College is trying to make up its deficit and pay for the charter flights required for the Big East schedule.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 2, 2022 16:36:08 GMT -5
It would be interesting to compare attendance figures for HC and PC in the 1960s when HC had Jack the Shot and PC has Jimmy Walker.
I grew up in a town roughly 25 miles from Boston, Worcester and Providence. I had no connection with HC or BC basketball, but could watch PC on Providence channel 12 with Chris Clark? or listen to them on 630 AM WPRO, both of which came in clearly.
Worcester didn't have a network TV station and didn't have a radio station that came in clearly either. That's where the bonds with PC basketball that have been passed down in families might have begun. Promotion for PC games would begin in the morning with Salty Brine's children's show. The TV station was all in for the Friars.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 2, 2022 16:51:05 GMT -5
Seats in section 108 and 122 are $200.00 each. Providence College is trying to make up its deficit and pay for the charter flights required for the Big East schedule. The market dictates...
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 2, 2022 16:56:47 GMT -5
And the gullible are susceptible.
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 3, 2022 0:20:27 GMT -5
Seats in section 108 and 122 are $200.00 each. Providence College is trying to make up its deficit and pay for the charter flights required for the Big East schedule. Only 12/154 seats are unsold in section 108. Just in that section they are bringing in $28,400 right now before costs. A quick google search says to charter a 747-400 is $30,950 per hour. We all know a basketball team doesn't need that large of a plane so doesn't take much to make up that difference when charging that much for tickets.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 3, 2022 3:22:02 GMT -5
$30,950 per hour? Step on it Captain.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 3, 2022 8:53:17 GMT -5
It would be interesting to compare attendance figures for HC and PC in the 1960s when HC had Jack the Shot and PC has Jimmy Walker. I grew up in a town roughly 25 miles from Boston, Worcester and Providence. I had no connection with HC or BC basketball, but could watch PC on Providence channel 12 with Chris Clark? or listen to them on 630 AM WPRO, both of which came in clearly. Worcester didn't have a network TV station and didn't have a radio station that came in clearly either. That's where the bonds with PC basketball that have been passed down in families might have begun. Promotion for PC games would begin in the morning with Salty Brine's children's show. The TV station was all in for the Friars. Ditto that. I started paying attention to sports in 1960; as best I can recall the only college games the first 3-4 years of my "fandom" were PC games. The early 60s NCAA finals games involving Ohio State/Cincinnati/Loyola ILL weren't on TV in Boston or were on so late that they weren't on my viewing schedule. FIrst NCAA final I remember was Michigan vs UCLA in 1965. Didn't see a HC game on TV until 66 or 67 save the NIT game with PC in 61. I do remember Salty Brine, Wally Brine's dad. "Good Night, Shipmates!"
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