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Post by HC92 on Jul 22, 2022 23:06:24 GMT -5
If we continue to be as good as we’ve been, I doubt many Ivies will be looking to schedule games with us. Harvard and Yale are reportedly locked in for a bit. We shall see. Need to beat both of them this year.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 23, 2022 7:48:27 GMT -5
That will be a first time...certainly a worthy goal.
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Post by purplehaze on Jul 23, 2022 8:41:34 GMT -5
If you follow Ivy recruiting the frosh that H-P-Y bring in are inarguably as good (or better) than HC right now - and you can add Dartmouth most years I witnessed Harvard’s shellacking of HC last season and the score reflected the one-sided play on the field I don’t see HC sprinting past the top half of the Ivies any time soon
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 23, 2022 9:44:08 GMT -5
We haven't beaten Harvard in Cambridge since 2000. I have a feeling Chesney gets it done this season.
And other than the 2008 heartbreaker under the lights, I don't remember any games there that were particularly close since then.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 23, 2022 10:10:03 GMT -5
If you follow Ivy recruiting the frosh that H-P-Y bring in are inarguably as good (or better) than HC right now - and you can add Dartmouth most years I witnessed Harvard’s shellacking of HC last season and the score reflected the one-sided play on the field I don’t see HC sprinting past the top half of the Ivies any time soon We're lucky to have them on the schedule. Thanks Fr. Brooks. These games are a chance to measure ourselves and themselves that perhaps games against league teams aren't always. Even though FCS rankings are less critical for teams that don't go to the playoffs, fans of Ivy teams realize early-mid season games against a ranked opponent can zoom then up, down, in or out of the rankings. Same for us.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 23, 2022 10:14:38 GMT -5
Was just looking at the archives section of the football page on goholycross.com. Looks like the all time results and all time series records documents haven’t been updated since 2017. Seems like something the athletic department could stay on top of.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 23, 2022 10:30:45 GMT -5
I just read Nate Pine's bio on the AFA website to check when he left. It was the end of 2018, so he probably had someone assigned to update the archives for 2018 when he left. His bio also says the AFA has had record breaking athletic fundraising results in terms of dollars and participants every year since he arrived. He left us with Coach Chesney. Thanks Nate.
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Post by hc87 on Jul 23, 2022 10:58:23 GMT -5
If one excludes Harvard, not many good Ivy visiting crowds at Fitton. I think I'm on pretty safe ground saying that. Too bad the Dartmouth series seems to be over, I'll miss the games up there a heck of a lot more than the home games. Dartmouth used to travel well back in the day: 60s, 70s and 80s...but it was a different fan-base (all male alumni then mostly) and a different era. Games in October at Hanover were glorious...they are missed. I think HC football fans travel about as well as anyone in the Northeast today at the FCS-level. Ivy fans really don't travel to Woo anymore....I was impressed by the Sacred Heart fans at Fitton for the playoff game last season...most visiting fans I've seen at Fitton in awhile.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 23, 2022 11:00:43 GMT -5
If you follow Ivy recruiting the frosh that H-P-Y bring in are inarguably as good (or better) than HC right now - and you can add Dartmouth most years I witnessed Harvard’s shellacking of HC last season and the score reflected the one-sided play on the field I don’t see HC sprinting past the top half of the Ivies any time soon I generally agree regarding recruit quality (but haven’t heard suggestions we’d ‘sprint’ past HYP (and D) in the near future.) I’m not sure how to articulate this but very rarely (even still) does HC land a skill position recruit and you wonder why on earth he’s coming to play in the PL …HYP lands those kids once in a while. Of course, we do develop kids well (IMHO), have a good staff, and have seen an uptick in our recruiting as we widen the gap with most of the PL. I love our chances v Yale at Fitton (it’s their first game and our third…our level of returning contributors off a successful season is unprecedented …and there is a reason why we’re ranked so high).
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Post by HC92 on Jul 23, 2022 11:51:22 GMT -5
This comes up seemingly every year with the Yale game. Having two games under our belts helps up unless we have injuries in those games. Having some current tape should help them a little.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 23, 2022 12:00:22 GMT -5
MM- 11 pts on 6-6 First half
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Post by princetoncrusader on Jul 23, 2022 12:37:17 GMT -5
If one excludes Harvard, not many good Ivy visiting crowds at Fitton. I think I'm on pretty safe ground saying that. Too bad the Dartmouth series seems to be over, I'll miss the games up there a heck of a lot more than the home games. Dartmouth used to travel well back in the day: 60s, 70s and 80s...but it was a different fan-base (all male alumni then mostly) and a different era. Games in October at Hanover were glorious...they are missed. I think HC football fans travel about as well as anyone in the Northeast today at the FCS-level. Ivy fans really don't travel to Woo anymore....I was impressed by the Sacred Heart fans at Fitton for the playoff game last season...most visiting fans I've seen at Fitton in awhile. To your point, HC fans packed Kessler stadium at Monmouth, resulting in the first sellout at that facility. A few weeks later, Princeton came to town and attendance was a bit over 3,000.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 23, 2022 17:13:02 GMT -5
If you follow Ivy recruiting the frosh that H-P-Y bring in are inarguably as good (or better) than HC right now - and you can add Dartmouth most years I witnessed Harvard’s shellacking of HC last season and the score reflected the one-sided play on the field I don’t see HC sprinting past the top half of the Ivies any time soon As I posted earlier, losing Crowley to Harvard is a real time example
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 24, 2022 14:44:18 GMT -5
If you follow Ivy recruiting the frosh that H-P-Y bring in are inarguably as good (or better) than HC right now - and you can add Dartmouth most years I witnessed Harvard’s shellacking of HC last season and the score reflected the one-sided play on the field I don’t see HC sprinting past the top half of the Ivies any time soon As I posted earlier, losing Crowley to Harvard is a real time example HYP and now Dartmouth have very good programs with lots of talented players. ~120 man rosters with ~80-85 total full ride grants (vs 60-63 for PL and FCS) is tough to compete with. However, our two regular seasons losses saw us play almost as poor as we possibly could (our floor) with Merrimack and Harvard’s ceiling. All we have to rely on is the match up on that given day but a good example in reverse is HC destroying Monmouth by 30 and then Princeton squeaking by Monmouth 31-28 on the final drive of the game. 2021 IL champ Dartmouth needing OT at home to beat Yale (a team that we significantly outplayed in the final 2.5 quarters after a slow start) I don’t think the upper tier Ivies (HYPD) are inarguably better than HC right now. If you dropped HC in the Ivy League, we would contribute to those 4 (5 with HC) beating up on each other and each team going 1-3, 2-2 and conf winner 3-1 vs the other 4. We would be in that mix.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 24, 2022 15:28:02 GMT -5
Not better teams, but perhaps they have a few more talented players and deeper rosters
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 24, 2022 16:16:41 GMT -5
Now I will say this. After closely following both the Patriot and Ivy Leagues for 20+ years, first as a HS recruit, then player and eventual vested spectator; in any given year if you had a hypothetical Ivy v PL challenge where at the end of the season the champs of both leagues played each other, that game on paper would be a coin toss. Likely very close but potentially lop-sided if one of the two didn’t show up. What HAS changed are teams #2-7 over the past few years. For most of this century, if you had the top 5 times from each conf play each other (# 1 v #1, #2 v 2 etc.) The likely result would be 3-2 either way. However in the past 3-4 years, the PL would be fortunate to go 1-4 in those respective match-ups. I still think Fordham has the potential to be dangerous, Colgate MIGHT be on their way back as a contender and while I don’t think TG is the long term answer for Lehigh, I hope I’m wrong cause we need Lehigh back to what they were for the better part of the 21st century for the sake of the upper half of the PL.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 24, 2022 16:35:48 GMT -5
Great post 05. Hard to believe 15 years ago, Dartmouth and Princeton were more or less on par with Bucknell and Lafayette.
Last year a hypothetical 1 v. 1 would've been Holy Cross Dartmouth. Adv Big Green but if we play the way we did at 'Nova, its definitely a game that could've been within a score. For additional comparison, Dartmouth did beat SHU by 5 scores last year.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 24, 2022 17:03:07 GMT -5
Why the obsession with the ivies
We win our games against any league/opponent and that is all that matters.
While most alums enjoy the Ivy competition, I would prefer an OOC schedule of playing William and Mary Villanova URI 1/2 Mid/low level FBS, and Harvard or Dartmouth each year
But understand I am in the mid Atlantic region and within reason want HC to be a Top 10 FCS program that plays a schedule reflecting that ambition
I believe the NIL will make the special offerings of HC unique in a world of FCS Football and potentially in basketball as we move forward.
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Post by football44 on Jul 24, 2022 17:26:18 GMT -5
Why the obsession with the ivies We win our games against any league/opponent and that is all that matters. While most alums enjoy the Ivy competition, I would prefer an OOC schedule of playing William and Mary Villanova URI 1/2 Mid/low level FBS, and Harvard or Dartmouth each year But understand I am in the mid Atlantic region and within reason want HC to be a Top 10 FCS program that plays a schedule reflecting that ambition I believe the NIL will make the special offerings of HC unique in a world of FCS Football and potentially in basketball as we move forward. Let me very frank and honest, the Ivies cheat. 120 guys on the roster. Scholarship money handed out to every top flight athlete who’s parents make under the allowed amount to get free tuition. Harvard stole a kid from Alabama a few years ago. They choose not to play in the playoffs because they’d have to play by the same rules as teams in the playoffs.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 24, 2022 17:30:59 GMT -5
Why the obsession with the ivies We win our games against any league/opponent and that is all that matters. While most alums enjoy the Ivy competition, I would prefer an OOC schedule of playing William and Mary Villanova URI 1/2 Mid/low level FBS, and Harvard or Dartmouth each year But understand I am in the mid Atlantic region and within reason want HC to be a Top 10 FCS program that plays a schedule reflecting that ambition I believe the NIL will make the special offerings of HC unique in a world of FCS Football and potentially in basketball as we move forward. I could give 2 sh*ts about the Ivies other than I hated playing them (always played dirty and smug) and love beating them. I agree with the above and was replying to…
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 24, 2022 17:31:49 GMT -5
If you follow Ivy recruiting the frosh that H-P-Y bring in are inarguably as good (or better) than HC right now - and you can add Dartmouth most years I witnessed Harvard’s shellacking of HC last season and the score reflected the one-sided play on the field I don’t see HC sprinting past the top half of the Ivies any time soon As I posted earlier, losing Crowley to Harvard is a real time example EFG, this you ^^^^^^.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 24, 2022 17:38:36 GMT -5
I haven't heard that before, that the Ivies comply with NCAA rules for regular season play but not for playoffs. I figured it was an academic centered decision by the Ivies not to extend the season.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 24, 2022 17:41:31 GMT -5
Coach Ches has explicitly said in interviews that when you aggregate all of the grant money on their ~120-125 man rosters it equates to ~80-85 full scholarships (for HYP at least). No way the NCAA would let them do that if they wanted to compete in the post season. Max is 63 in FCS.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 24, 2022 17:44:13 GMT -5
Why the obsession with the ivies We win our games against any league/opponent and that is all that matters. While most alums enjoy the Ivy competition, I would prefer an OOC schedule of playing William and Mary Villanova URI 1/2 Mid/low level FBS, and Harvard or Dartmouth each year But understand I am in the mid Atlantic region and within reason want HC to be a Top 10 FCS program that plays a schedule reflecting that ambition I believe the NIL will make the special offerings of HC unique in a world of FCS Football and potentially in basketball as we move forward. Let me very frank and honest, the Ivies cheat. 120 guys on the roster. Scholarship money handed out to every top flight athlete who’s parents make under the allowed amount to get free tuition. Harvard stole a kid from Alabama a few years ago. They choose not to play in the playoffs because they’d have to play by the same rules as teams in the playoffs. Believe it or not, they'd be allowed to participate in the playoffs now with current aid levels. They just continue to have zero interest in participating in the FCS postseason tournament. I used to wish they'd play and thought they would've gone that direction by now. But I was wrong and I've also stopped caring.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 24, 2022 17:44:59 GMT -5
But the Ivies treat athletes the same as non=athletes as far as scholly $$, right?
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