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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 29, 2022 17:19:33 GMT -5
Great to hear about the bc loss
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Post by longsuffering on May 29, 2022 19:31:40 GMT -5
Yes, let's keep their national championships in all sports at six. All won this century except a hockey title in 1949. We were ahead of them from 1952 to 2001. Minus hockey we are still ahead of them 2-1 as the 2021 WLax championship is their only one not on skates.
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Post by hcpride on May 30, 2022 6:09:52 GMT -5
BC’s 1-point National Championship Game loss to undefeated North Carolina comes on the heel’s of BC’s National Championship Game win last year.
Beyond tips on building a strong (!) women’s lax program, BC may have a lesson for HC regarding men’s lacrosse.
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Post by timholycross on May 30, 2022 7:02:47 GMT -5
BC lost the national championship 12-11 in a barn burner at UNC today. I just watched the highlights but it was quite an atmosphere as the stands were packed and the Tar Heel band was playing. I hope HC can improve. Perhaps pick up some transfers who aren't getting playing time at top schools, which often are good academic schools. Neither Hasselbeck played. Just sayin'
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Post by longsuffering on May 30, 2022 7:05:46 GMT -5
Perhaps one or both would like to be "Survivors" forty miles down the road?
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Post by bfoley82 on May 30, 2022 8:32:20 GMT -5
BC lost the national championship 12-11 in a barn burner at UNC today. I just watched the highlights but it was quite an atmosphere as the stands were packed and the Tar Heel band was playing. I hope HC can improve. Perhaps pick up some transfers who aren't getting playing time at top schools, which often are good academic schools. Neither Hasselbeck played. Just sayin' BC has a very strong recruiting class coming in this fall. I saw some of them last summer on the circuit and they might drop off a little next year but still a top ten team.
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Post by hcpride on May 30, 2022 8:42:11 GMT -5
Neither Hasselbeck played. Just sayin' BC has a very strong recruiting class coming in this fall. I saw some of them last summer on the circuit and they might drop off a little next year but still a top ten team. Between wonderful school reputation, excellent women’s lax program, prime location given Boston’s appeal and near-ish recruits, and ACC membership they’re well positioned for sustained excellence in the sport.
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Post by longsuffering on May 30, 2022 10:33:56 GMT -5
I assume to be in the national finals two years in a row, BC has to be awarding the maximum scholarship aid allowed by the NCAA for lacrosse. If not their achievements are doubly impressive. I also assume revenue from the ACC, the ACC Network, etc., helps fund those scholarships. HC doesn't have that so they have to think outside the box. Somehow.
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Post by hcpride on May 30, 2022 10:58:49 GMT -5
I assume to be in the national finals two years in a row, BC has to be awarding the maximum scholarship aid allowed by the NCAA for lacrosse. If not their achievements are doubly impressive. I also assume revenue from the ACC, the ACC Network, etc., helps fund those scholarships. HC doesn't have that so they have to think outside the box. Somehow. FWIW, BC has been in 4 straight national championships (all close games as I recall) and nine of the last ten years they’ve been selected for the tournament. I’m sure they divide up the max (12) schollies as so many teams do.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 30, 2022 11:10:31 GMT -5
I assume to be in the national finals two years in a row, BC has to be awarding the maximum scholarship aid allowed by the NCAA for lacrosse. If not their achievements are doubly impressive. I also assume revenue from the ACC, the ACC Network, etc., helps fund those scholarships. HC doesn't have that so they have to think outside the box. Somehow. The achievements by BC are impressive in Women's Lax since they play in the deepest conference in the country and started with two perennial powers in their conference with North Carolina and Maryland (not anymore with UMD) but the rest of the conference is strong with Duke (beat BC this year), Virginia and Syracuse making the tournament this year. Pitt also just started their program up from scratch.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 30, 2022 18:09:54 GMT -5
Enough of this bc talk
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Post by hc89 on May 30, 2022 18:13:09 GMT -5
Some rare sanity in an otherwise insane world…
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 30, 2022 18:46:01 GMT -5
Not just BC. The interest in so many other schools by so many here is bizarre. This board leads the world in talk about random stuff other colleges.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 30, 2022 21:34:47 GMT -5
This is thread is talking about Holy Cross Lacrosse...Why are they not competing better in the Patriot League? BC was a .500 program before Acacia Walker took over the program in 2012. Why can't HC get an elite up and coming coach?
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Post by hcpride on May 31, 2022 2:39:26 GMT -5
It seems we have two “participatory” lacrosse programs here at HC (and BC provides a useful contrast wherein they have just a women’s program and it is an excellent one).
FWIW BC cites cost and Title IX for not having a men’s lax team.
There are some benefits for HC in having a men’s program - the temptation is to suggest shutting down the men and shifting resources to the women (including staff) and making a real run for the women’s lax PL title and a NCAA Tournament bid.
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Post by sader1970 on May 31, 2022 5:28:02 GMT -5
Answer: $$$$$
Answer: There is no such temptation among TPTB at HC
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Post by longsuffering on May 31, 2022 6:28:15 GMT -5
No such temptation among this member of the flotsam and jetsam either. Too much like the former China policy of only allowing one child per family.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 31, 2022 8:44:39 GMT -5
It seems we have two “participatory” lacrosse programs here at HC (and BC provides a useful contrast wherein they have just a women’s program and it is an excellent one). FWIW BC cites cost and Title IX for not having a men’s lax team. There are some benefits for HC in having a men’s program - the temptation is to suggest shutting down the men and shifting resources to the women (including staff) and making a real run for the women’s lax PL title and a NCAA Tournament bid. BC has max scollies for all their sports, Divide $22.4 million in scollie aid by $75,000 to get the number of scollies at BC. HC spent $11.7 million. HC has max scollies for M/W hoops, M/W ice hockey, and football capped at 60. (BC @ 85.).. I think nearly every other HC sport is below the average scollie count for that sport in the PL.. HC is not shutting down's men's lacrosse. the number of men's scollies is increasing from to two to eight, eight is the PL average.
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Post by purplehaze on May 31, 2022 8:59:25 GMT -5
Regarding our women's coach, I think it's time for a change - there has been no Belichick magic during her tenure despite what some told me were a few very good recruiting classes - does PPhreek or anyone have reliable comparisons of PL schollie numbers for PL womens lax ?
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Post by hcpride on May 31, 2022 9:30:55 GMT -5
It seems we have two “participatory” lacrosse programs here at HC (and BC provides a useful contrast wherein they have just a women’s program and it is an excellent one). FWIW BC cites cost and Title IX for not having a men’s lax team. There are some benefits for HC in having a men’s program - the temptation is to suggest shutting down the men and shifting resources to the women (including staff) and making a real run for the women’s lax PL title and a NCAA Tournament bid. …HC has max scollies for M/W hoops, M/W ice hockey, and football capped at 60. (BC @ 85.).. I think nearly every other HC sport is below the average scollie count for that sport in the PL… Men and women?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 31, 2022 10:01:36 GMT -5
…HC has max scollies for M/W hoops, M/W ice hockey, and football capped at 60. (BC @ 85.).. I think nearly every other HC sport is below the average scollie count for that sport in the PL… Men and women? The women have scollies, but the number appears to be below the scollie average for the PL for that sport, but not as below as the men. Colgate which has W ice hockey spends $1.5 million more on women's scollie aid than HC does. That's the equivalent of 20 full scholarships.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 31, 2022 10:04:03 GMT -5
Regarding our women's coach, I think it's time for a change - there has been no Belichick magic during her tenure despite what some told me were a few very good recruiting classes - does PPhreek or anyone have reliable comparisons of PL schollie numbers for PL womens lax ? Yet another abysmal hire by Pine, who was no doubt looking to make a splash in headlines by hiring someone with the last name of Belichick. After never having finished above .500 for a season and -- most importantly -- only qualifying for one PLT -- it's time for a change.
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Post by longsuffering on May 31, 2022 11:05:29 GMT -5
Every PL team in every sport could at least have a play-in game. It's a small league. Some teams perform poorly, but they all put in approximately the same amount of practice and weight room time.
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Post by longsuffering on May 31, 2022 11:18:20 GMT -5
The WLax coach had the appropriate background when she was hired. She should be evaluated at this point the same as all the other coaches. If HC got any "spin off" benefit by hiring someone with such a famous coaching name, I never noticed any.
I thiught Pine was hoping for his hires' backgrounds to rub off positively when he hired Coach Carmody with his Princeton and Northwestern background and Coach Belichick with her name. He finally went for value when he hired Coach Chesney, thank God.
Hiring lessons learned at Holy Cross are probably now accruing to the benefit of the Air Force Academy.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 31, 2022 11:29:27 GMT -5
Every PL team in every sport could at least have a play-in game. It's a small league. Some teams perform poorly, but they all put in approximately the same amount of practice and weight room time. No need for participation trophies at the Division I level.
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