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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 31, 2022 12:01:45 GMT -5
The WLax coach had the appropriate background when she was hired. Her record at Wesleyan was 10-20 (1-19) in 2014-15. Since she left Wesleyan, they have gone above .500 in every season since 2017, reaching the NCAA Tournament semifinals in 2019. If her name was Amanda Smith, Pine wouldn't have hired her. Plain and simple.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 31, 2022 12:13:55 GMT -5
Holy Cross women's lax in 2020-21
Next to last in spending in the PL. Only AU lower. Does not include USMA / USNA which are on full scollie for everyone, so 9th of 10.
To increase HC scollie funding for women's lacrosse to the average scollie funding for women's lacrosse would require adding four full scollies. Assuming everyone else funds the status quo.
The men are even worse, 9th of nine. spending 37 percent of what Loyola (the highest spender) spends.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 31, 2022 12:36:30 GMT -5
It seems we have two “participatory” lacrosse programs here at HC (and BC provides a useful contrast wherein they have just a women’s program and it is an excellent one). FWIW BC cites cost and Title IX for not having a men’s lax team. There are some benefits for HC in having a men’s program - the temptation is to suggest shutting down the men and shifting resources to the women (including staff) and making a real run for the women’s lax PL title and a NCAA Tournament bid. BC has max scollies for all their sports, Divide $22.4 million in scollie aid by $75,000 to get the number of scollies at BC. HC spent $11.7 million. HC has max scollies for M/W hoops, M/W ice hockey, and football capped at 60. (BC @ 85.).. I think nearly every other HC sport is below the average scollie count for that sport in the PL.. HC is not shutting down's men's lacrosse. the number of men's scollies is increasing from to two to eight, eight is the PL average. If we go from 2 scholarship players to 8 shouldn’t we expect to see dramatic improvement in results?
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Post by longsuffering on May 31, 2022 12:39:35 GMT -5
But we have the participatory model of D-1 sports. What's the thinking that offers a play-in round in the ten team basketball league with full scholarship players and tough love to the bottom two teams of volunteer non-scholarship players in the six team baseball league?
Why do the baseball, lacrosse and softball players need their character built more than the basketball players?
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Post by longsuffering on May 31, 2022 12:43:34 GMT -5
BC has max scollies for all their sports, Divide $22.4 million in scollie aid by $75,000 to get the number of scollies at BC. HC spent $11.7 million. HC has max scollies for M/W hoops, M/W ice hockey, and football capped at 60. (BC @ 85.).. I think nearly every other HC sport is below the average scollie count for that sport in the PL.. HC is not shutting down's men's lacrosse. the number of men's scollies is increasing from to two to eight, eight is the PL average. If we go from 2 scholarship players to 8 shouldn’t we expect to see dramatic improvement in results? Yes. Check back in 2027. These schollies will be mostly partial to stretch them, I would think. Should the head coach stiff a proven performer upperclassman and distribute them all to new recruits, or divide the dollars equally among classes? With the portal, and with a sense of fairness, I like the latter approach.
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Post by longsuffering on May 31, 2022 12:49:49 GMT -5
The WLax coach had the appropriate background when she was hired. Her record at Wesleyan was 10-20 (1-19) in 2014-15. Since she left Wesleyan, they have gone above .500 in every season since 2017, reaching the NCAA Tournament semifinals in 2019. If her name was Amanda Smith, Pine wouldn't have hired her. Plain and simple. With those stats, you are correct. The only Belichick magic has been with a Brady on the roster and we don't have one.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 31, 2022 13:37:07 GMT -5
BC has max scollies for all their sports, Divide $22.4 million in scollie aid by $75,000 to get the number of scollies at BC. HC spent $11.7 million. HC has max scollies for M/W hoops, M/W ice hockey, and football capped at 60. (BC @ 85.).. I think nearly every other HC sport is below the average scollie count for that sport in the PL.. HC is not shutting down's men's lacrosse. the number of men's scollies is increasing from to two to eight, eight is the PL average. If we go from 2 scholarship players to 8 shouldn’t we expect to see dramatic improvement in results? As I understand it, from two to eight scollies in men's lacrosse will bring that sport to the PL average. The NCAA cap is 12.6. I think only Loyola is at the cap. (Of course, if the outlier, HC, moves to eight scollies, the average will go up after the HC increase is complete.) With eight scollies, one would expect a substantial improvement in competitiveness.
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Post by bison137 on May 31, 2022 13:47:07 GMT -5
If we go from 2 scholarship players to 8 shouldn’t we expect to see dramatic improvement in results? As I understand it, from two to eight scollies in men's lacrosse will bring that sport to the PL average. The NCAA cap is 12.6. I think only Loyola is at the cap. In men's lax, Boston U has also been at the cap in many seasons. Lehigh is close, but probably just below the cap.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 31, 2022 14:39:01 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on May 31, 2022 14:42:03 GMT -5
The WLax coach had the appropriate background when she was hired. Her record at Wesleyan was 10-20 (1-19) in 2014-15. Since she left Wesleyan, they have gone above .500 in every season since 2017, reaching the NCAA Tournament semifinals in 2019. If her name was Amanda Smith, Pine wouldn't have hired her. Plain and simple. Should be noted the NESCAC is the strongest WLAX conference at the D-3 level. Wesleyan wasn't competitive with the top end of the conference back then.
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Post by hcpride on May 31, 2022 14:43:31 GMT -5
From the article (and something that should aid HC in recruiting): Massachusetts has been a women’s lacrosse hotbed for a while. College rosters are dotted with players from the commonwealth, and the club programs here are well-respected nationwide.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 31, 2022 14:44:05 GMT -5
As I understand it, from two to eight scollies in men's lacrosse will bring that sport to the PL average. The NCAA cap is 12.6. I think only Loyola is at the cap. In men's lax, Boston U has also been at the cap in many seasons. Lehigh is close, but probably just below the cap. Loyola is probably at the cap too. The final four in the PL was BU, Loyola, Army, and Lehigh.
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Post by hcpride on May 31, 2022 14:47:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately, and as we painfully re-learn each while watching hoops, having the same number of scholarships does not equal beating or even your competition when it comes to recruiting.
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Post by bison137 on May 31, 2022 14:59:53 GMT -5
In men's lax, Boston U has also been at the cap in many seasons. Lehigh is close, but probably just below the cap. Loyola is probably at the cap too. The final four in the PL was BU, Loyola, Army, and Lehigh. [ Yes, they clearly are. That was noted in the original post.
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Post by aaa8316 on Jun 2, 2022 21:05:34 GMT -5
BC has max scollies for all their sports, Divide $22.4 million in scollie aid by $75,000 to get the number of scollies at BC. HC spent $11.7 million. HC has max scollies for M/W hoops, M/W ice hockey, and football capped at 60. (BC @ 85.).. I think nearly every other HC sport is below the average scollie count for that sport in the PL.. HC is not shutting down's men's lacrosse. the number of men's scollies is increasing from to two to eight, eight is the PL average. If we go from 2 scholarship players to 8 shouldn’t we expect to see dramatic improvement in results? 100% YES.
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