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Post by sader1970 on Feb 26, 2022 13:48:59 GMT -5
A journalist- forget who - with experience in Eastern Europe said that the Russians pronounce it with 2 syllables and the Ukrainians with 1 syllable and that’s why most journalists in the west are using the 1 syllable pronunciation.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 26, 2022 16:54:32 GMT -5
Pak Phreek--- with your experience in Ukraine, perhaps you can settle something for us. Is the capital city properly pronounced as "Key-Ev" as it was for decades or "Keev" as we now hear from some reporters.? Keev is the way Ukrainians pronounce it. Russians pronounce it KEE-ev, which was how I pronounced it. Kar-kuv for Kharkov, Russian spelling and pronunciation. Kar-keev (Kharkiv) is the Ukrainian pronunciation and spelling. Lvov seems to be pronounced differently depending on which nationality you are. Lvov in Polish is Lee-voh. Ukrainian is very difficult phonetically, so I won't even try. Russian is Lee VOV
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 26, 2022 17:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 26, 2022 19:03:03 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see if a Crusader city comes into play. XIII Century, the Teutonic Crusades, led to the founding of Konigsberg. After WWII, the Konigsberg peninsula awarded to the Soviet Union, and re-named Kaliningrad. Completely surrounded by Poland, Lithuania, and the Baltic. The port is Russia's only non-freezing port for the Baltic, and handled about 11 million tons of cargo in 2019. The Teutonic Knights live on today, as the papal Order of the Teutonic Knights of St. Mary's Hospital in Jerusalem. TPTB should have no objection to Crusaders on Mt. St. James being dressed in attire marked with such before they embark on a new crusade.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 26, 2022 22:06:55 GMT -5
Sader, It was very thoughtful of you to send the inspiring message from HC Pres. Joseph RN Maxwell, SJ. Bob, Your comment is most appreciated. One small off point addition: FDR along with Churchill did sign away much of eastern Europe to Stalin at Yalta in '45. Nitpicking to be sure . I totally concur with your opinion that FDR was a great wartime leader. Although we are not involved with our troops fighting directly against Russians in Ukraine, we still need the wisdom & strength of an FDR type leader.. Hope this comment does not go off the rails into some sort of political back & forth. Your point I believe is that we need a wise, strong decisive leader. Nukes in the hands of Putin add an incredibly dangerous unknown. Thanks for your wise comment. mm Archie Bunker talking about FDR: "He sold us out at Gibraltar" Maude: "They met at Yalta" Archie: Well he sold us out there too.
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Post by ts1970 on Feb 28, 2022 19:07:49 GMT -5
sader1970, Thank you for finding that. The similarities with Nazi Germany are startling and quite frightening. I do pray we are not being led by a modern Chamberlain but by a modern FDR. Chamberlain was willing to sacrifice the Czechs for "peace in our time." FDR mobilized our nation both to fight the Depression and foreign aggressors. Time will tell. Hitler’s own people tried to kill him and failed. Maybe they’ll get luckier with Putin. One can only hope.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 28, 2022 19:14:32 GMT -5
It takes someone willing to give up his own life to save the country. It is a rare individual , outside of religious fanatics, who is willing to do that. If Von Stauffenburg had done that Hitler might have been stopped
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 28, 2022 19:40:27 GMT -5
The Julius Caesar gambit? Was it Stravidis who suggested this possibility first?
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Post by efg72 on Feb 28, 2022 19:50:32 GMT -5
Things are getting incredibly complicated for Putin
Go bag ready in case
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 28, 2022 20:11:55 GMT -5
Well, I like that he's been keeping his "social distancing." Have you seen those huge tables where he's at one end and all others are about a quarter mile down the table from him? Even interviews with people on the Moscow streets think he's lost it.
If he doesn't start a nuclear war first, I think his days are numbered. His soldiers thought they would be welcomed by their Ukrainian cousins as saviors. His generals in charge of the nukes are likely much saner than he is and likely wouldn't fire off their nukes. His oligarchs are getting squeezed. Even in Russia there are just so many demonstrators that can be incarcerated. He hasn't united NATO (and even Switzerland) and now Ukraine has filed an application (more symbolic) to join the EU. This has all backfired on this "genius."
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Post by ts1970 on Feb 28, 2022 20:42:33 GMT -5
Yes, and if he’s mentally unstable, then I am really worried but do hope cooler heads in Russia will prevail and prevent any nuclear escalation.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 28, 2022 21:16:05 GMT -5
Follow the money (sanctions, trade, Swift and freezing Russia's foreign reserves) may push Putin to a face-saving negotiated settlement. But Putin finds nothing acceptable other than victory and I don't see an off ramp which Putin would accept. He is a monster, a war criminal who will totally destroy Ukraine's cities to achieve his goals. Expect carpet bombing of cities as the Russians did in Chechnya & Syria. A bloody Ukrainian insurgency in all likelihood will follow. Then, what?
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 28, 2022 23:25:51 GMT -5
An Eastern Front in Chechnya would take some pressure off Ukraine. The rickety Russian military vehicles would never make it there from Ukraine. They are running out of tow trucks as it is.
The forty mile convoy outside of Kyiv is the distance from Worcester to Boston, so things are dire for the brave Ukrainians.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 28, 2022 23:49:59 GMT -5
Just think what a squadron of A-10 Warthogs could do to that armored column….. not suggesting that we get involved in that- just wish Ukraine had that asset
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 1, 2022 7:51:52 GMT -5
Just think what a squadron of A-10 Warthogs could do to that armored column…. not suggesting that we get involved in that- just wish Ukraine had that asset Wrthogs are useful when you have air superiority not sure it's a troop column... one analyst says it's a logistics train headed for the contested airport where it will marry up with troops that fly in.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 1, 2022 8:17:23 GMT -5
The Crimea, historically, was never part of the Ukraine. It was part of Russia, and Russia gave it to the Ukraine in 1954.. Russia acquired it from the Ottoman Empire in 1774, by treaty. The re-annexation of Crimea is not something to go to war over. IMO, Putin thought that the Ukrainian government would fold, like the Afghan government did not so long ago. It didn't, and now like the chasing dog who finally catches the car, he doesn't know what to do. Paul Krugman had a column in the NY Times five days ago, which contained this gem about the kleptocrats looting of Russia. But probably the most critical economic sanction went into effect yesterday. This sanction prevents the Russian central bank from selling its foreign reserves ($ 650 billion in dollars, euros, etc.) to prop up the ruble. www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-is-levying-sanctions-against-russias-central-bank-11646052061
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Post by hcpride on Mar 1, 2022 8:29:25 GMT -5
Just think what a squadron of A-10 Warthogs could do to that armored column…. not suggesting that we get involved in that- just wish Ukraine had that asset Wrthogs are useful when you have air superiority not sure it's a troop column... one analyst says it's a logistics train headed for the contested airport where it will marry up with troops that fly in. If reports are correct it seems a rather unusual (and exposed and VERY slow-moving) convoy operation thru hostile territory. Early on there was a suggestion that the Russians would focus on violently and quickly knocking out Ukrainian Air Force/Air Defense vicinity Kyiv, insert quality troops via air into Kyiv airport (s), link these troops with a rapidly advancing armored column, and decapitate the civil government in Kyiv. With other fronts essentially as feints/distractions AND while retaining the ability to delete the aerial insertion portion as circumstances dictate. Perhaps the timetables for the Russians has gone awry and the convoy that would make sense in a conquered country no longer makes sense.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 1, 2022 8:55:17 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Mar 1, 2022 9:00:34 GMT -5
Just think what a squadron of A-10 Warthogs could do to that armored column….. not suggesting that we get involved in that- just wish Ukraine had that asset So would creating a no-fly zone, but that would be nuts too. We can also hope that Lloyd Bentsen's famous remark to Dan Quayle about Jack Kennedy doesn't apply to Joe Biden; because he's damn close to his own Cuban Missle Crisis.
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 1, 2022 9:45:38 GMT -5
If you haven't already seen:
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 1, 2022 9:54:02 GMT -5
Having lived a couple of miles from Hancock Field in Syracuse where a squadron of Warthogs were based (maybe still are?), "The Boys from Syracuse" had on their patches "Go Ugly Early" and were considered flying tanks and could take abuse like no other plane flying due to their armor. Here's a link to the patch: www.flyingtigerssurplus.com/air-force-a-10-warthog-go-ugly-early-patch.htmlI loved those planes. And quiet . . . . . except for the gattling guns. Not sure what some of those MiGs can do to a convoy but if you recall, our planes destroyed Saddam's convoys retreating from Quwait and they weren't packed in nearly as closely as the Russians are now.
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Post by efg72 on Mar 1, 2022 10:21:18 GMT -5
My concern with the sanctions is that unless we shut off the purchase of oil from Russia (we are paying them $100 per barrel) we aren't doing much to impact the fundamentals of the Putin effort. The profits we give him from the purchase of oil are what is funding the war, along with any help Putin gets from China.
The current sanctions might work, but they do more to hurt the people and communities of Russia. Over time this can put pressure on him, but time in the short term is not a friend of the Ukrainians. I am afraid the bombs, rockets, bullets, tanks, planes, etc are mostly funded by the oil profits. IMHO we have a much better chance of impacting this if we take away his resources from the sale of oil.
From some rumblings in the community, The WH is struggling with the SOTU address because there allegedly is a split among the US negotiating team- WH-State-DOD-CIA- on the messaging and actions. They are working to find alignment and gain support from the rest of NATO. Allegedly our delays have led Germany and others to step up and do a bit more to help the Ukrainians.
PP and others might have additional insights or can correct my comments.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 1, 2022 10:27:14 GMT -5
The key to the A-10 is the cannon which fires huge depleted-uranium armor-piercing slugs at 3,300 feet per second. Here's what wikipedia says about the weapon
"Although the A-10 can carry a considerable amount of munitions, its primary built-in weapon is the 30×173 mm GAU-8/A Avenger autocannon. One of the most powerful aircraft cannons ever flown, it fires large depleted uranium armor-piercing shells. The GAU-8 is a hydraulically driven seven-barrel rotary cannon designed specifically for the anti-tank role with a high rate of fire. The cannon's original design could be switched by the pilot to 2,100 or 4,200 rounds per minute;[74] this was later changed to a fixed rate of 3,900 rounds per minute.[75] The cannon takes about half a second to reach top speed, so 50 rounds are fired during the first second, 65 or 70 rounds per second thereafter. The gun is accurate enough to place 80 percent of its shots within a 40-foot (12.4 m) diameter circle from 4,000 feet (1,220 m) while in flight.[76] The GAU-8 is optimized for a slant range of 4,000 feet (1,220 m) with the A-10 in a 30-degree dive.[77]"
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Post by mm67 on Mar 1, 2022 11:14:24 GMT -5
Is this "A Guns of August" summer? Are miscalculations and mistakes cascading to a terrible end, namely another major war in Europe. IMO one thing is clear. Russia must be stopped.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 1, 2022 11:46:54 GMT -5
My concern with the sanctions is that unless we shut off the purchase of oil from Russia (we are paying them $100 per barrel) we aren't doing much to impact the fundamentals of the Putin effort. The profits we give him from the purchase of oil are what is funding the war, along with any help Putin gets from China. The current sanctions might work, but they do more to hurt the people and communities of Russia. Over time this can put pressure on him, but time in the short term is not a friend of the Ukrainians. I am afraid the bombs, rockets, bullets, tanks, planes, etc are mostly funded by the oil profits. IMHO we have a much better chance of impacting this if we take away his resources from the sale of oil. From some rumblings in the community, The WH is struggling with the SOTU address because there allegedly is a split among the US negotiating team- WH-State-DOD-CIA- on the messaging and actions. They are working to find alignment and gain support from the rest of NATO. Allegedly our delays have led Germany and others to step up and do a bit more to help the Ukrainians. PP and others might have additional insights or can correct my comments. The U.S. doesn't import much oil from Russia. With respect to Russian exports of oil and natural gas, link is to a summary report by the IEA. Exports of oil and natural gas finance about half of Russia's federal budget. One particular note about the IEA report: Russia reduced distribution of natural gas supplies to western Europe in the last quarter of 2021. Don't know why, and strikes me that one doesn't typically cut revenue before embarking on a large expenditure initiative, like invading another country. www.iea.org/reports/russian-supplies-to-global-energy-marketsThe U.S. has about 600 million barrels of oil in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. This oil can be released to offset decreases in supply from Russia. Other countries also have strategic reserves that can be tapped. Additionally, Iran may be allowed to increase production, and that may be good for a million+ barrels a day. Russia is the second largest supplier of oil to China, so that is likely to continue. (I haven't the foggiest what currency China would use to pay for this oil.) In 2020, the U.S. exported 156 billion cubic meters of natural gas. This is equivalent of the upper range of Russian exports of natural gas to Europe, A question is how much additional export capacity can the U.S. develop in the short term? The 2020 export level was nearly 4x the level in 20215. The three largest producers of liquified natural gas in 2020 were Australia, Qatar, and the U.S. Russia was a distant fourth.
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