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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 26, 2022 7:22:34 GMT -5
There is no way that Kevin Willard would come to Holy Cross. I think he meant back in 2009, not now. When RW resigned, KW was coming off a 12-19 season at Iona. Very possible he'd have accepted the HC job at that time. How long he would've stayed here is a different question. Obviously, things worked out better for Kevin the way they happened. He went 21-10 at Iona in 09-10 and was named the Seton Hall coach that offseason, replacing Bobby Gonzalez.
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Post by trimster on Mar 26, 2022 7:58:49 GMT -5
The Nelson Era has consisted of 2.5 seasons, 15 D1 wins and 15 player defections from the program. I think we have a problem.
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Post by Ray on Mar 26, 2022 8:00:14 GMT -5
No, the rumor is that KW was almost lured to Worcester when we hired Carmody. At the time he was perceived to be on thin ice at Seton Hall, and apparently there were substantive talks... but obviously it didn't work out.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 26, 2022 8:04:01 GMT -5
Can I rescind my vote to give him another year? Can anyone now give a single reason BN should be retained? At this point, no. And I was in your camp to give him another year...prior to this exodus. Unfortunately, it's pretty clear that Nelson is in 'ovah his head'. I changed my vote before the poll closed. Let's rip off the band aid and make a change.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 26, 2022 8:09:49 GMT -5
No, the rumor is that KW was almost lured to Worcester when we hired Carmody. At the time he was perceived to be on thin ice at Seton Hall, and apparently there were substantive talks... but obviously it didn't work out. I didn't know this. Would've been a heist for us for sure. I believe Craig Robinson was the 2nd choice to Carmody once final interviews were conducted.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 26, 2022 8:16:40 GMT -5
The fact that Craig Robinson was ever a serious candidate tells us everything we need to know about our athletic decision-making over the years.
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Post by trimster on Mar 26, 2022 9:50:34 GMT -5
At this point, no. And I was in your camp to give him another year...prior to this exodus. Unfortunately, it's pretty clear that Nelson is in 'ovah his head'. I changed my vote before the poll closed. Let's rip off the band aid and make a change. This has to be an extremely painful time for BN and his family. Maybe it's time for him to do the band aid ripping and move on. It might be the best thing for him and his family.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 26, 2022 10:29:52 GMT -5
I changed my vote before the poll closed. Let's rip off the band aid and make a change. This has to be an extremely painful time for BN and his family. Maybe it's time for him to do the band aid ripping and move on. It might be the best thing for him and his family.  I don't think he's going to find a job for the 22-23 academic year that will pay him 300K. So I don't think he's going to be resigning anytime soon. If he's fired, he gets paid.
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Post by Ray on Mar 26, 2022 10:47:42 GMT -5
This has to be an extremely painful time for BN and his family. Maybe it's time for him to do the band aid ripping and move on. It might be the best thing for him and his family. I don't think he's going to find a job for the 22-23 academic year that will pay him 300K. So I don't think he's going to be resigning anytime soon. If he's fired, he gets paid. Just sayin'... Todd Golden needs to build a staff at UFlorida, and I bet a top assistant in the SEC makes 300k easily. Nelson could be a candidate for that gig at his alma mater....
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Post by trimster on Mar 26, 2022 11:00:29 GMT -5
I don't think he's going to find a job for the 22-23 academic year that will pay him 300K. So I don't think he's going to be resigning anytime soon. If he's fired, he gets paid. Just sayin'... Todd Golden needs to build a staff at UFlorida, and I bet a top assistant in the SEC makes 300k easily. Nelson could be a candidate for that gig at his alma mater.... That sounds like an interesting proposition. Wonder how much BN misses that Florida sunshine.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 26, 2022 11:07:17 GMT -5
Why would Todd Golden want to hire Brett Nelson?
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Post by Ray on Mar 26, 2022 11:12:31 GMT -5
Why would Todd Golden want to hire Brett Nelson? To be fair, all I said was "could be a candidate". But putting aside our local dissatisfaction with Nelson, if you're Todd Golden and you get a call from a guy who wants to join your staff, and has this resume:
- has D1 head coaching experience - has been a #1 assistant in a power conference - is an alum of your school, in fact played in a national championship game there
You at least take that call...
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Post by ts1970 on Mar 26, 2022 11:16:04 GMT -5
Can understand our coach not resigning without another job in place. He has a family to support, but it's far from a good situation for all parties the way events have ensued since his hiring.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 26, 2022 12:24:23 GMT -5
ts1970, you sum up the current situation quite well. I am praying it works out for all concerned and that HC hoops take an upward turn.
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Post by Sader Fan on Mar 26, 2022 13:43:20 GMT -5
I voted to keep Nelson for another year as I have seen progress against all PL teams except American. However, my opinion is based upon the players returning next year. If they make a mad dash for the transfer portal now that the season is over . . .? Then we would need a new coach. What I had feared has happened. I logged in too late to officially change my vote but my mind is changed. Enough is enough.
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Post by gks on Mar 26, 2022 14:48:18 GMT -5
When a coach loses the alumni it's over....or it should be over
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Post by Tom on Mar 26, 2022 15:58:30 GMT -5
Can understand our coach not resigning without another job in place. He has a family to support, but it's far from a good situation for all parties the way events have ensued since his hiring. I know Coach Willard did it, but does anyone really think a D-1 head coach is going to walk away from a head gig to become an assistant at a different college?
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 26, 2022 18:29:36 GMT -5
Can understand our coach not resigning without another job in place. He has a family to support, but it's far from a good situation for all parties the way events have ensued since his hiring. I know Coach Willard did it, but does anyone really think a D-1 head coach is going to walk away from a head gig to become an assistant at a different college? Generally no but it depends on how much pain the current situation is causing the coach. BN has been upbeat during his brief interviews/post win statements so no clue how the losing and departures are impacting him. But I wouldn't think he has a guaranteed landing spot at this point at a pay rate RW left for.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 26, 2022 18:44:04 GMT -5
Not surprising, given the problems it could cause for the "whistleblower", but...
No player who's left has gone on the record as to what they found wrong with the Brett Nelson regime, although abundantly clear that there are several things wrong. Most of the posts are pure conjecture.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 26, 2022 18:46:04 GMT -5
Does BN know that he does not have what it takes to be a head coach? How is his self-awareness? A job as an assistant for the next 20 years would be a good landing spot
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Post by hchoops on Mar 26, 2022 18:48:12 GMT -5
Not surprising, given the problems it could cause for the "whistleblower", but... No one who's left has gone on the record as to what they found wrong with the Brett Nelson regime, although abundantly clear that there are several things wrong. Most of the posts are pure conjecture. Very simple what is wrong 1-the won- loss record 2- players leaving
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 26, 2022 18:50:34 GMT -5
A coach who wins can get away without making an effort to connect with the school's alumni, alumni of the program, and community.
Shoot, maybe the biggest reason Al Skinner was fired at BC despite being pretty successful there because he loathed having to get involved with the "non-basketball" side of coaching.
Brett Nelson has made next to no effort to connect with alums and fans. I think he's uncomfortable with that part of being a head coach.
This isn't in the top three of reasons Nelson is a terrible fit and coach at HC, but it's a reason nonetheless.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 26, 2022 19:02:00 GMT -5
I can see "losing" as being a reason for departing, everything else that's been mentioned relative to BN's inabilities don't really account for players jumping ship.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 26, 2022 19:25:09 GMT -5
A coach who wins can get away without making an effort to connect with the school's alumni, alumni of the program, and community. Shoot, maybe the biggest reason Al Skinner was fired at BC despite being pretty successful there because he loathed having to get involved with the "non-basketball" side of coaching. Brett Nelson has made next to no effort to connect with alums and fans. I think he's uncomfortable with that part of being a head coach. This isn't in the top three of reasons Nelson is a terrible fit and coach at HC, but it's a reason nonetheless. ...and Skinner won. Look at how engaging Cooley is with the Prov students & alums for example, then look at BN who's as out of place in MA as anyone and makes ZERO attempt to engage the handful who still care about HC MBB.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 27, 2022 16:43:17 GMT -5
Kit and staff may have been busy this weekend with HC hosting the NCAA Regional Hockey Tournament at the DCU Center. In the regional final is our old friends Minnesota vs. Western Michigan. The event will wrap up around 7:00 this evening. Third period is now underway.
The next couple of days will be telling.
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