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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 17, 2023 9:35:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure I can comment knowledgeably on the merits of this discussion, but I definitely appreciate the McHale's Navy reference.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 17, 2023 11:42:21 GMT -5
Captain Wallace Binghampton has a better chance of outsmarting Lt. Commander Quinton McHale than H.E. adding a start up program 305 miles (by car) from Boston. Geographically Holy Cross is right about at the arch of the H.E. footprint but demographically it has more in common with the smaller private schools in the AHA. Although AHA has two service academies it has no state universities or large private universities like BU, BC, NU. On the other hand, BU, BC, NU are/were long time regional athletic rivals of HC in many sports, unlike Bentley, AIC or Mercyhurst. Highlights what a unique school Holy Cross is. Might want to spell Binghamton right...
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Post by Tom on Apr 18, 2023 8:53:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure I can comment knowledgeably on the merits of this discussion, but I definitely appreciate the McHale's Navy reference. Inability to comment knowledgeably as never stopped me from posting
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 18, 2023 9:00:20 GMT -5
...or most of us, for that matter.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 18, 2023 11:33:40 GMT -5
Remember a Sox game where the winning run was scored on a balk and Joe C.'s call was off the charts crazy. "it's a balk! ....it's a balk!" in that high pitched voice of his.
At that point, my friends and I started calling him Bingy after the late, great Captain.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 20, 2023 16:56:18 GMT -5
The thread title was discussed during today's webinar with KH, with an added predicate of joining Hockey East.
KH said there are options and cost modeling of the options. No date mentioned for a decision on what to do and when. Said that renovations have nothing to do with Hockey East. Said that HC needs to be consistently successful in the AHL. AHA
Also suggested that HC men's ice hockey's use of the transfer portal has been a net plus. Hinted that ice hockey may continue to use the portal,.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Apr 20, 2023 17:20:24 GMT -5
AHA not AHL. Rest of post is spot on. Sounds likely solicitation of donors in earnest has not yet started.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 20, 2023 17:51:53 GMT -5
HC is seriously looking for a lead capital gift to begin initial renovations to the rink for a phase 1.
Additional changes and phases will pivot based on gifts raised.
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Post by beachbound on Apr 20, 2023 18:22:08 GMT -5
Great to hear, especially about the portal. If we can get a lead donor, great, but if not, I appreciate the effort and focus. The portal might be more important as kids eventually learn playing every game in a cozy barn is a lot better than doing stats in a state of the art facility.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 20, 2023 20:48:57 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Apr 20, 2023 21:02:48 GMT -5
Spent a decade in that rink watching youth and high school hockey practices and games. The locker rooms, trainers’ area, and conditioning space were below average for 2 intercollegiate teams sharing the rink with club teams and youth hockey. It will be more than sufficient for a volleyball team.
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Post by nhteamer on Apr 26, 2023 8:54:40 GMT -5
HC is seriously looking for a lead capital gift to begin initial renovations to the rink for a phase 1. Additional changes and phases will pivot based on gifts raised. In Hoc signo Vinces translated:"five minutes late, a dollar short"
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 26, 2023 9:30:31 GMT -5
Five minutes late? Reaching the AHA final means now is better than anytime in the last several years to ask for support of hockey.
All we had to sell in recent years was desperation. Now we have a narrative to pitch.
If you are referring to the ECAC swing and miss, that's ice under the bridge. Where would HC have found the money for bigger deficits in the ECAC or H.E.? Gut minor sports more?
The concept of moving up as a magic pill is belied by Women's hockey experience since moving up to H.E. That really increased deficits with scholarships and more coaches while still not even being able to charge admission to games. Where did HC find that money? Did the move up insure continued futility in minor sports due to low resources available?
I'm not criticizing the move, just pointing out that HC moving up to a higher level league can fail as well as succeed and also potentially have collateral damage in the department.
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Post by nhteamer on Apr 27, 2023 8:23:52 GMT -5
like it failed for Quinnipiac when we whiffed and they grabbed our ECAC spot: ya mean like that?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 27, 2023 8:33:04 GMT -5
Five minutes late? Reaching the AHA final means now is better than anytime in the last several years to ask for support of hockey. All we had to sell in recent years was desperation. Now we have a narrative to pitch. If you are referring to the ECAC swing and miss, that's ice under the bridge. Where would HC have found the money for bigger deficits in the ECAC or H.E.? Gut minor sports more? The concept of moving up as a magic pill is belied by Women's hockey experience since moving up to H.E. That really increased deficits with scholarships and more coaches while still not even being able to charge admission to games. Where did HC find that money? Did the move up insure continued futility in minor sports due to low resources available? I'm not criticizing the move, just pointing out that HC moving up to a higher level league can fail as well as succeed and also potentially have collateral damage in the department. Missing out on the ECAC was such a colossal miss. HC likes the PL because we are associated with high-academic and peer schools like Colgate, Bucknell, Lehigh, Lafayette, and the service academies, right? Then imagine not strongly pursuing an opportunity (when the league wanted us!) to essentially play in the Ivy League for college hockey. Harvard, Yale, and Princeton...or AIC, Mercyhurst, and Niagara? While the ECAC would have required a stronger investment and upgrading the facility ($$$), over time we'd see better returns than that Atlantic Hockey has delivered. Teamer?
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Post by nhteamer on Apr 27, 2023 9:05:41 GMT -5
we own the biggest mistake in the history of NCAA basketball we own the biggest mistake in the history of NCAA hockey
WE'RE # 1 !!!!!!!
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Post by aaa8316 on Apr 27, 2023 9:05:48 GMT -5
Five minutes late? Reaching the AHA final means now is better than anytime in the last several years to ask for support of hockey. All we had to sell in recent years was desperation. Now we have a narrative to pitch. If you are referring to the ECAC swing and miss, that's ice under the bridge. Where would HC have found the money for bigger deficits in the ECAC or H.E.? Gut minor sports more? The concept of moving up as a magic pill is belied by Women's hockey experience since moving up to H.E. That really increased deficits with scholarships and more coaches while still not even being able to charge admission to games. Where did HC find that money? Did the move up insure continued futility in minor sports due to low resources available? I'm not criticizing the move, just pointing out that HC moving up to a higher level league can fail as well as succeed and also potentially have collateral damage in the department. Missing out on the ECAC was such a colossal miss. HC likes the PL because we are associated with high-academic and peer schools like Colgate, Bucknell, Lehigh, Lafayette, and the service academies, right? Then imagine not strongly pursuing an opportunity (when the league wanted us!) to essentially play in the Ivy League for college hockey. Harvard, Yale, and Princeton...or AIC, Mercyhurst, and Niagara? While the ECAC would have required a stronger investment and upgrading the facility ($$$), over time we'd see better returns than that Atlantic Hockey has delivered. Teamer? Correct on all accounts. How Dick Regan (and others) kept his job 5 mins after that presentation to the ECAC took place is beyond my wildest imagination to understand.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 27, 2023 9:33:21 GMT -5
FADDR, a FHCPGR hire….no explanation needed.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 27, 2023 9:35:05 GMT -5
FADDR, a FHCPGR hire….no explanation needed. Fr. McFarland was president when the ECAC miss happened...but your point is still taken -- neither president really had much of an interest in athletics.
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Post by nhteamer on Apr 27, 2023 10:01:37 GMT -5
...................or increasing the visibility of Holy Cross: fools.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 27, 2023 11:50:59 GMT -5
FADDR, a FHCPGR hire….no explanation needed. Fr. McFarland was president when the ECAC miss happened...but your point is still taken -- neither president really had much of an interest in athletics. GR hired DR, but MM was a prime suspect in the ECAC disastah, didn't bother to show up for the presentation IIRC. So, in this case, each FHCP gets a piece of the blame pie
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 27, 2023 11:55:49 GMT -5
Fr. McFarland was president when the ECAC miss happened...but your point is still taken -- neither president really had much of an interest in athletics. GR hired DR, but MM was a prime suspect in the ECAC disastah, didn't bother to show up for the presentation IIRC. So, in this case, each FHCP gets a piece of the blame pie Seriously?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 27, 2023 11:57:11 GMT -5
While MM completely mishandled the ECAC presentation, in his defense, several new athletic venues were built or renovated during his tenure, Hanover Park, Fr. K field, Smith Stadium and Sinnott Tennis. Unfortunately the programs that play in these now relatively new facilities did not achieve in their athletic endeavors on the field of competition. Full support was needed for success. A lost opportunity at the time.
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Post by aaa8316 on Apr 27, 2023 11:57:28 GMT -5
GR hired DR, but MM was a prime suspect in the ECAC disastah, didn't bother to show up for the presentation IIRC. So, in this case, each FHCP gets a piece of the blame pie Seriously? Yup, confirmed. I've heard first hand how that entire presentation went down. Couldn't make it up in your wildest dreams. It would be like you presenting to a Fortune 500 company board using a professional consultant that put in months of work for that one hour, vs. spending an hour or two a few days in advance and using a flip chart with Crayons to explain why they should choose you.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 27, 2023 14:02:40 GMT -5
While MM mishandled the ECAC presentation, in his defense, several new athletic venues were built or renovated during his tenure, Hanover Park, Fr. K field, Smith Stadium and Sinnott Tennis. Unfortunately the programs that play in these now relatively new facilities did not achieve in their athletic endeavors on the field of competition. Full support was needed for success. A lost opportunity at the time. Wasn't HC gift-wrapped Hanover Park and didn't pay a dime for it? I wouldn't really say that a turf field, soccer "stadium" and a series of tennis courts are much to write home about during a decade-long run as president. From what I gathered, Fr. McF didn't like how Gonzaga became synonymous with a great men's basketball program, rather than educational institution first, and athletic success at HC really wasn't important.
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