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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 19, 2022 7:59:43 GMT -5
Point four: seats on only one side of a field or rink says rinky dink. No criticism of entities who construct within restrictions of budget or space resources but the opportunity to have a true home and visitor side heightens the experience and two sides of stands doubles the amount of premium seating closest to the action. This is a new rink located elsewhere, as this cannot fit within the available footprint at Hart/Luth or to the immediate west of it. |
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Post by timholycross on Jun 19, 2022 16:17:25 GMT -5
(assuming the ice surface was torn apart and rebuilt, which is a big assumption perhaps)
Extend to the front and make the rink go east-west versus north-south. Plenty of room in front if you rebuild the road/parking lot.
Easy for me to spend other people's money!
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 19, 2022 18:08:23 GMT -5
That's the dilemma. When does the Ediface Complex spending slow down?
Finland has many of their athletic facilities deep underground where they also serve as bomb/fallout shelters. The Fins border Russia like Ukraine does but they had the money to invest in and stock attractive shelter spaces to house a large percentage of their population if needed.
I wonder if it would be practical to add locker room space under the parking lot.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 19, 2022 18:37:07 GMT -5
(assuming the ice surface was torn apart and rebuilt, which is a big assumption perhaps) Extend to the front and make the rink go east-west versus north-south. Plenty of room in front if you rebuild the road/parking lot. Easy for me to spend other people's money! If you go east/west, the entry point for the Zamboni has to be changed and thus need storage for it etc.... |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 19, 2022 21:26:53 GMT -5
Entry point for the Zamboni can still be from under the stands at the south of the building with the rink running from east to west. How much of a clearance is needed. 15 feet high by 15 feet wide? Storage can be behind the stands to the south.
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Post by woorat on Jun 20, 2022 8:27:17 GMT -5
If HC is going to relocate the playing surface to make room for seats like a bowl, they should consider just building a brand new rink and use the existing rink as a revenue source for rentals, practices, etc. But I suspect that will not happen because of the cost
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 20, 2022 9:48:53 GMT -5
Could they fit a new rink on the Ho Jo's lot? It might be on a flood plain like Fitton is but a hotel got built on it.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 20, 2022 11:55:19 GMT -5
Kit made it abundantly clear that HC would not be spending anywhere near what UConn is spending for its new on-campus rink, which will seat 2,600 and cost $70+ million.
As for rotating the rink east-west, HC does not own the land to the west to do that. That is owned by a natural gas company and is used as the site for a pressure regulator for the high pressure pipeline running under the top if the hill. One would have to pay to move the pipeline and the regulator.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 20, 2022 13:14:13 GMT -5
Kit made it abundantly clear that HC would not be spending anywhere near what UConn is spending for its new on-campus rink, which will seat 2,600 and cost $70+ million. As for rotating the rink east-west, HC does not own the land to the west to do that. That is owned by a natural gas company and is used as the site for a pressure regulator for the high pressure pipeline running under the top if the hill. One would have to pay to move the pipeline and the regulator. KaBoom! That sounds risky. |
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 20, 2022 14:47:19 GMT -5
Kit made it abundantly clear that HC would not be spending anywhere near what UConn is spending for its new on-campus rink, which will seat 2,600 and cost $70+ million. As for rotating the rink east-west, HC does not own the land to the west to do that. That is owned by a natural gas company and is used as the site for a pressure regulator for the high pressure pipeline running under the top if the hill. One would have to pay to move the pipeline and the regulator. But it does own the property across the street and north of the pipeline. A narrower building wall (100 feet or 110 feet wide instead of the same 200+ could encroach on that property. Shift the rotated rink 100 feet north create lockers rooms lounges etc In the area left behind where the rink used to be and that area does not need to reach the property line. Still have to deal with access around the Hart but I suspect that is not necessary as long as vehicles - particularly emergency can approach from either side. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 20, 2022 17:33:28 GMT -5
Proceeding south to north, Holy Cross does not own the property on the north side of Avon. That is owned by the natural gas pipeline company. Holy Cross does own two houses on the south side of Kendig. This was / is? the site for the new Jesuit residence. Holy Cross does not own the property on the north side of Kendig. This was recently bought by a Boston developer, for reasons that can only be guessed at. HC does not yet own the last house on the south side of City View, across from the current Jesuit residence.
A rink that is 100 feet wide has no room for stands, and limited room for team benches,
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 20, 2022 17:56:03 GMT -5
Proceeding south to north, Holy Cross does not own the property on the north side of Avon. That is owned by the natural gas pipeline company. Holy Cross does own two houses on the south side of Kendig. This was / is? the site for the new Jesuit residence. Holy Cross does not own the property on the north side of Kendig. This was recently bought by a Boston developer, for reasons that can only be guessed at. HC does not yet own the last house on the south side of City View, across from the current Jesuit residence. A rink that is 100 feet wide has no room for stands, and limited room for team benches, Olympic Sized ice is very rare now in college hockey. Schools are actually downsizing their Olympic sized rinks |
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 20, 2022 18:10:25 GMT -5
I don’t know the dimensions. I was guessing with the current 85 foot ice sheet plus room for aisles, benches, stands was 110 feet. So maybe it’s 130.
But I did do is take a google maps satellite image of the Hart Center.
Put it in power point slide
Traced the hockey arena portion of the building using shapes and rotated the shape 90 degrees.
It fit. Giving you a lot of room to widen that north south dimension.
Not the mesurement I want my architect using, but for spitballing on a message board it’s a start on feasibility and options.
And this of course discounts the cost of such a change whichever I highly doubt is in the budget.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 20, 2022 18:13:41 GMT -5
I don’t know the dimensions. I was guessing with the current 85 foot ice sheet plus room for aisles, benches, stands was 110 feet. So maybe it’s 130. But I did do is take a google maps satellite image of the Hart Center. Put it in power point slide Traced the hockey arena portion of the building using shapes and rotated the shape 90 degrees. It fit. Giving you a lot of room to widen that north south dimension. Not the mesurement I want my architect using, but for spitballing on a message board it’s a start on feasibility and options. And this of course discounts the cost of such a change whichever I highly doubt is in the budget. I was talking about the ice sheet being 100 feet across which is the Olympic Size. |
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 20, 2022 18:26:46 GMT -5
CAnd Phreek was talking about a building 100 feet wide, which is who I was responding to.
There was question about rotating the building 90 degrees, so I did something to see if that could be done. And my unscientific means of doing that says it’s tight but yes.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 20, 2022 20:23:09 GMT -5
I wonder if we could put some form of skyboxes with a couple of rows of seats outside the boxes on the side of the rink where the Bud Ryan room is. That would give us a more finished feel with seating on both sides but maybe more doable in the current space than regular seating.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 20, 2022 20:39:59 GMT -5
I wonder if we could put some form of skyboxes with a couple of rows of seats outside the boxes on the side of the rink where the Bud Ryan room is. That would give us a more finished feel with seating on both sides but maybe more doable in the current space than regular seating. Interesting. |
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Post by timholycross on Jun 21, 2022 8:27:24 GMT -5
Just don't build some half assed thing like Fairfield's basketball arena is/was (being completely replaced, 100% sure of that, just not sure what the timetable is). The seating capacity in one end zone had to be more than 50% of the total.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 21, 2022 8:57:02 GMT -5
Just don't build some half assed thing like Fairfield's basketball arena is/was (being completely replaced, 100% sure of that, just not sure what the timetable is). The seating capacity in one end zone had to be more than 50% of the total. I wonder if opponent free throw percentage was lower at that basket? |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 21, 2022 8:59:43 GMT -5
Just don't build some half assed thing like Fairfield's basketball arena is/was (being completely replaced, 100% sure of that, just not sure what the timetable is). The seating capacity in one end zone had to be more than 50% of the total. Last time I was at Fairfield (late March), they said it was going to be ready for the 2022-2023 season. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 21, 2022 9:04:46 GMT -5
Where is the "end zone" in basketball?   |
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Post by timholycross on Jun 21, 2022 10:20:16 GMT -5
As Pat Paulsen used to say, "picky, picky"  |
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 21, 2022 10:47:10 GMT -5
Indeed! |
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Post by nhteamer on Jun 21, 2022 11:32:09 GMT -5
OK
"first we need to do that" or "no first we need to do that."
Actually, first we need, as an institution, to give a s%*t.
Otherwise, another 50 years of "blah, blah, blah."
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Post by alum on Jun 22, 2022 5:13:47 GMT -5
So, the plan is for the College to secure eight figures worth of gifts from its most qualified donors to renovate a rink for a sport that is not contested in our principal league and is most appealing to students from a geographic region from which we are already overenrolled and to which it is committing 36 scholarships while starving other sports? If there was unlimited funds, I would say go for it, but I am not sure it makes sense.
And I think college hockey is a great sport .
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