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Post by hcpride on Jun 29, 2022 14:46:39 GMT -5
With the witnesses selected, deposed, presented, and questioned by Democrats (with no cross examination or even adversarial questions) it is no wonder this is generally considered to be a one-sided theatrical reprise of the second (third?) Trump impeachment procedure. Punctuated by outrage!, blockbuster!, etc. Are you even watching? Cheney (who voted with Trump 97% of the time) is doing much of the questioning. To quote her: "why do you continue to defend the indefensible". She’s a known harsh critic of Trump, handpicked by Pelosi to be the only Republican on the panel, and willingly completes all tasks assigned by the Democratic Chairman. Beyond the one-sided nature of the show there is another obvious credibility issue. If the very same crew (Dems and their Media) had not engineered the Trump Russia Collusion hoax there might be more folks buying impeachment three (four?). I mean, who would take Jussie Smollet seriously when he reports another racial attack by the same folks he blamed for the first one?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 29, 2022 15:06:22 GMT -5
I admire everyone's ability to avoid politics on the board.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 29, 2022 15:36:50 GMT -5
Maybe I missed the turn but my pretty clear recollection was that Cheney became an anti-Trumper after he tried to steal the election. Funny thing that she’s a Conservative Republican that thinks the person who wins the election should assume the office peacefully even if it’s someone from the other party.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 29, 2022 15:39:27 GMT -5
As an aside, the T&G has an article that an HC alum had a petition going to rescind Clarence’s honorary degree from the College. Not home now so can’t copy it.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 29, 2022 16:08:22 GMT -5
Generally considered one sided? Not on your life. On what planet? Get real. The work of the committee has been universally praised except by those under the spell of their cult leader, a relatively small insignificant group. Committee hearings are not trials. There is no cross examination as in a trial. Factually challenged as usual. It must be painful for some to see the truth about their cult leader & his hitmen.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 29, 2022 16:19:04 GMT -5
Dean, please delete this thread.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 29, 2022 16:21:48 GMT -5
Are you even watching? Cheney (who voted with Trump 97% of the time) is doing much of the questioning. To quote her: "why do you continue to defend the indefensible". She’s a known harsh critic of Trump, handpicked by Pelosi to be the only Republican on the panel, and willingly completes all tasks assigned by the Democratic Chairman. Beyond the one-sided nature of the show there is another obvious credibility issue. If the very same crew (Dems and their Media) had not engineered the Trump Russia Collusion hoax there might be more folks buying impeachment three (four?). I mean, who would take Jussie Smollet seriously when he reports another racial attack by the same folks he blamed for the first one? If I had to choose between believing Jussie Smollet or Donald Trump to save my life, I would say "Just shoot me."😂
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 29, 2022 16:59:01 GMT -5
Well, it appears (starting with the selection of members) that this committee is designed for political purposes and "fairness" is not a purpose on that list. Might that make one think twice about voluntarily appearing there? With the witnesses selected, deposed, presented, and questioned by Democrats (with no cross examination or even adversarial questions) it is no wonder this is generally considered to be a one-sided theatrical reprise of the second (third?) Trump impeachment procedure. Punctuated by outrage!, blockbuster!, etc. Adam Schiff, the Congressman formerly known as the Chief Trump Russia Collusion Hoaxster, is the perfect man for this performance. The only committee member who substantively questioned Ms. Hutchinson was Liz Cheney. A former Republican Congressman from Virginia, whose background was military intelligence and consulting for NoSuchAgency, and worked as a staff member to the Committee, said that he viewed Hutchinson's appearance as a "bridge" to the next two scheduled hearings. He characterized Hutchinson's appearance as merely a "cluster bomb", and intimated that bigger bombs were yet to come. I believe all the witnesses to date but one, whose party affiliation is unknown, have been Republicans. I'll grant you this Committee is functioning like a grand jury, but that is more an unintended consequence of the independent bi-partisan commission being nixed, and McCarthy's flawed list of nominees. Jim Jordan, for example, is a material witness to the events of January 6th. Jordan has been subpoenaed by the Committee. Trump now is furious at McCarthy for not putting any Republicans on the Committee. Ginni's situation is now complicated because Eastman is a target of a criminal investigation, and Mark Meadows may soon find himself in the same boat. And she had on-going contact with both, post-election, insisting that the election was stolen from Trump, and imploring Meadows to do something about it.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 29, 2022 17:06:48 GMT -5
I'll add one final thought. I know Ginni Thomas from years ago, and she introduced me to Clarence at a reception honoring Ginni and myself. Washington can be a very small world at times.
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Post by clmetsfan on Jun 29, 2022 17:29:34 GMT -5
Dean, please delete this thread. You could try ignoring it
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 29, 2022 17:32:41 GMT -5
I'll add one final thought. I know Ginni Thomas from years ago, and she introduced me to Clarence at a reception honoring Ginni and myself. Washington can be a very small world at times. What was your impression of SCJCT when you met him?
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Post by clmetsfan on Jun 29, 2022 17:35:27 GMT -5
Are you even watching? Cheney (who voted with Trump 97% of the time) is doing much of the questioning. To quote her: "why do you continue to defend the indefensible". She’s a known harsh critic of Trump, handpicked by Pelosi to be the only Republican on the panel, and willingly completes all tasks assigned by the Democratic Chairman. Beyond the one-sided nature of the show there is another obvious credibility issue. If the very same crew (Dems and their Media) had not engineered the Trump Russia Collusion hoax there might be more folks buying impeachment three (four?). I mean, who would take Jussie Smollet seriously when he reports another racial attack by the same folks he blamed for the first one? Adam Kinzinger is also on the committee, so no, she's not the only Republican. And in case you missed it, there were three other Republicans accepted by Pelosi but McCarthy thought it'd be more strategic to withdraw entirely so that he could feed people the line that it's too partisan (which you've clearly gobbled up). What's so pathetic is that no matter what Trump is found to have done, long-standing conservatives like Cheney and Kinzinger are ostracized because they have the courage to actually stand up for their convictions and say publicly what their GOP colleagues will only say privately.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 29, 2022 18:03:09 GMT -5
I'll add one final thought. I know Ginni Thomas from years ago, and she introduced me to Clarence at a reception honoring Ginni and myself. Washington can be a very small world at times. What was your impression of SCJCT when you met him? Very personable. I was surprised by his height and deep voice. I had never previously heard him speak. So a short guy with a deep voice. _________________________________ I will add one totally unrelated anecdote about voices. I was briefing majority and minority staffers from nearly every Senate committee in a large hearing room. I was at the witness table, but with my back to the dais, where the senators would be seating if there was a hearing. I was about half-way through, when a voice from the dais begins peppering me with questions and making observations. It is Fred Thompson, in his best Hunt for Red October drawl..
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Post by hcpride on Jun 29, 2022 18:05:21 GMT -5
She’s a known harsh critic of Trump, handpicked by Pelosi to be the only Republican on the panel, and willingly completes all tasks assigned by the Democratic Chairman. Beyond the one-sided nature of the show there is another obvious credibility issue. If the very same crew (Dems and their Media) had not engineered the Trump Russia Collusion hoax there might be more folks buying impeachment three (four?). I mean, who would take Jussie Smollet seriously when he reports another racial attack by the same folks he blamed for the first one? Adam Kinzinger is also on the committee, so no, she's not the only Republican. And in case you missed it, there were three other Republicans accepted by Pelosi but McCarthy thought it'd be more strategic to withdraw entirely so that he could feed people the line that it's too partisan (which you've clearly gobbled up). What's so pathetic is that no matter what Trump is found to have done, long-standing conservatives like Cheney and Kinzinger are ostracized because they have the courage to actually stand up for their convictions and say publicly what their GOP colleagues will only say privately. Yes, Adam Kitzinger, another longtime Trump critic handpicked by Pelosi, is on the committee (he announced he’s quitting Congress in November). If Pelosi had accepted the original 5 (none long-standing Trump critics) offered by McCarthy it would have helped her overcome the Trump Russia Collusion Hoax baggage AND gain some credibility for the committee. But, she didn’t want those five.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 29, 2022 18:23:25 GMT -5
The committee has credibility among 60%+ of Americans. It is merely a small number of the leader's acolytes who don't believe anything outside their "Q" world. I assume some would prefer Jordan, Boebert, Greene and other of that ilk. There were five other Repubs selected but the brilliant McCarthy pulled them out of consideration for the committee. Jordan & ? were non-starters because he is a material witness and possibly are the subjects of an FBI probe. Repub leadership refused to allow Repubs to join the committee (It seems Trump considers this a mistake and is furious as is his style) It is disingenuous of Repubs to complain about Pelosi's "handpicked" committee when Repubs pulled their hands out of the process. Once again we are dealing with the distortions of the Party line.It is merely transparent gamesmanship.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jun 29, 2022 18:58:22 GMT -5
I'll add one final thought. I know Ginni Thomas from years ago, and she introduced me to Clarence at a reception honoring Ginni and myself. Washington can be a very small world at times. PP, You've piqued my interest. Unless it violates some Crossports protocol, or your own preferences, do you mind if I ask who you are? Steve Dawley '74
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 29, 2022 20:58:03 GMT -5
I'll add one final thought. I know Ginni Thomas from years ago, and she introduced me to Clarence at a reception honoring Ginni and myself. Washington can be a very small world at times. PP, You've piqued my interest. Unless it violates some Crossports protocol, or your own preferences, do you mind if I ask who you are? Steve Dawley '74 He is our international man of mystery and I believe he will stay that way—-just my guess
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 29, 2022 21:02:39 GMT -5
I'll add one final thought. I know Ginni Thomas from years ago, and she introduced me to Clarence at a reception honoring Ginni and myself. Washington can be a very small world at times. PP, You've piqued my interest. Unless it violates some Crossports protocol, or your own preferences, do you mind if I ask who you are? Steve Dawley '74 Years ago, I was searching for the job title of someone who I had once worked with, and I found the answer on Wikileaks. And below his name and title was moi. I can't recall precisely what it was, but there was also some personally identifiable information for both of us.. These were classified State Dept. cables, but every cable from the USEmbassy Moscow was classified, --it was as if they used a standard template. (And once on Wikileaks, they were no longer classified.) I didn't work for the State Dept., and neither did he, but all communications between someone like me and Soviet officials went through the embassy. Many months later, I decided to do a search by my name on WikiLeaks, and there I was, not once, or twice, but numerous times. Actually, one of the cables very recently proved to be quite helpful in reconstructing an address. I wanted the street address for an All-Union Soviet ministry that was once headquartered in Kharkiv. So Wiki has its benefits. My security clearance has long expired, but I believe new / reissued clearances now ask you to list all bulletin boards / forums where one participates regularly. Should Crossports be described as genteel as the local garden club, without a single subversive, reactionary member. But the real answers for hiding in anonymity is (1) my conviction that there is far too much data mining capability, and too much data mining, itself, and (2) I learned that I can do and accomplish more from working in the shadows, rather than the spotlight. Old habits are engrained.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 29, 2022 22:45:39 GMT -5
I'm picturing you as a cross between David Jansson in the 1960's Fugitive TV show and Harrison Ford in the 1993 movie. Always one step ahead of your pursuers and gone when they finally get there.
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Post by clmetsfan on Jun 30, 2022 6:52:57 GMT -5
Adam Kinzinger is also on the committee, so no, she's not the only Republican. And in case you missed it, there were three other Republicans accepted by Pelosi but McCarthy thought it'd be more strategic to withdraw entirely so that he could feed people the line that it's too partisan (which you've clearly gobbled up). What's so pathetic is that no matter what Trump is found to have done, long-standing conservatives like Cheney and Kinzinger are ostracized because they have the courage to actually stand up for their convictions and say publicly what their GOP colleagues will only say privately. Yes, Adam Kitzinger, another longtime Trump critic handpicked by Pelosi, is on the committee (he announced he’s quitting Congress in November). If Pelosi had accepted the original 5 (none long-standing Trump critics) offered by McCarthy it would have helped her overcome the Trump Russia Collusion Hoax baggage AND gain some credibility for the committee. But, she didn’t want those five. I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse or just incapable of comprehending, but she only rejected two because they were SUBJECTS OF THE INVESTIGATION. Should a judge be allowed to preside over their own corruption trial? Of course not. Even thought Cheney and Kinzinger don't "count" as republicans for Trump/hcpride because they have the audacity to think for themselves, does it matter to you that nearly every witness, including those who've described Trump's efforts to delay the counting and "find" more votes in spite of there being no evidence of fraud, are Republicans as well? Bill Barr doesn't count? The Arizona, Michigan, and Pennsylvania Speakers of the House don't count? So for you, anyone who criticizes Trump, or even just testifies honestly under oath about illegal things that Trump did, isn't really a Republican and is not to be taken seriously. You're really telling on yourself here, dude.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 30, 2022 7:29:57 GMT -5
Yes, Adam Kitzinger, another longtime Trump critic handpicked by Pelosi, is on the committee (he announced he’s quitting Congress in November). If Pelosi had accepted the original 5 (none long-standing Trump critics) offered by McCarthy it would have helped her overcome the Trump Russia Collusion Hoax baggage AND gain some credibility for the committee. But, she didn’t want those five. I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse or just incapable of comprehending, but she only rejected two because they were SUBJECTS OF THE INVESTIGATION. Should a judge be allowed to preside over their own corruption trial? Of course not. Even thought Cheney and Kinzinger don't "count" as republicans for Trump/hcpride because they have the audacity to think for themselves, does it matter to you that nearly every witness, including those who've described Trump's efforts to delay the counting and "find" more votes in spite of there being no evidence of fraud, are Republicans as well? Bill Barr doesn't count? The Arizona, Michigan, and Pennsylvania Speakers of the House don't count? So for you, anyone who criticizes Trump, or even just testifies honestly under oath about illegal things that Trump did, isn't really a Republican and is not to be taken seriously. You're really telling on yourself here, dude. Clime I share your opinion. But, you are wasting your time on a provocateur who over the years has a pattern of posting for the purpose of getting attention, from postings about the superiority of Villanova over HC, to equating the flu with Covid, to our painful polarization and currently the attempted violent coup. Truth is his foreign enemy. Presently, you are dealing with an extremist right wing cultist whose words are a reflection of a particular type of emotional landscape. There is little of rational substance. Your words, my words do not matter. My advice: Best to ignore him as many do. Don't feed him with a response. Let him prattle on. Don't even read the silliness. I am trying to follow my own advice and not get sucked into the vortex. Wash, rinse, repeat. Peace.
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Post by clmetsfan on Jun 30, 2022 7:58:30 GMT -5
I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse or just incapable of comprehending, but she only rejected two because they were SUBJECTS OF THE INVESTIGATION. Should a judge be allowed to preside over their own corruption trial? Of course not. Even thought Cheney and Kinzinger don't "count" as republicans for Trump/hcpride because they have the audacity to think for themselves, does it matter to you that nearly every witness, including those who've described Trump's efforts to delay the counting and "find" more votes in spite of there being no evidence of fraud, are Republicans as well? Bill Barr doesn't count? The Arizona, Michigan, and Pennsylvania Speakers of the House don't count? So for you, anyone who criticizes Trump, or even just testifies honestly under oath about illegal things that Trump did, isn't really a Republican and is not to be taken seriously. You're really telling on yourself here, dude. Clime I share your opinion. But, you are wasting your time on a provocateur who over the years has a pattern of posting for the purpose of getting attention, from postings about the superiority of Villanova over HC, to equating the flu with Covid, to our painful polarization and currently the attempted violent coup. Truth is his foreign enemy. Presently, you are dealing with an extremist right wing cultist whose words are a reflection of a particular type of emotional landscape. There is little of rational substance. Your words, my words do not matter. My advice: Best to ignore him as many do. Don't feed him with a response. Let him prattle on. Don't even read the silliness. I am trying to follow my own advice and not get sucked into the vortex. Wash, rinse, repeat. Peace. Wise words. Ignore the troll.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 30, 2022 8:04:12 GMT -5
Clime I share your opinion. But, you are wasting your time on a provocateur who over the years has a pattern of posting for the purpose of getting attention, from postings about the superiority of Villanova over HC, to equating the flu with Covid, to our painful polarization and currently the attempted violent coup. Truth is his foreign enemy. Presently, you are dealing with an extremist right wing cultist whose words are a reflection of a particular type of emotional landscape. There is little of rational substance. Your words, my words do not matter. My advice: Best to ignore him as many do. Don't feed him with a response. Let him prattle on. Don't even read the silliness. I am trying to follow my own advice and not get sucked into the vortex. Wash, rinse, repeat. Peace. Wise words. Ignore the troll. TBT, too often I do not follow my own advice. It is hard to do. But, I will keep trying to ignore the troll. Peace.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 30, 2022 12:20:54 GMT -5
Yes, Adam Kitzinger, another longtime Trump critic handpicked by Pelosi, is on the committee (he announced he’s quitting Congress in November). If Pelosi had accepted the original 5 (none long-standing Trump critics) offered by McCarthy it would have helped her overcome the Trump Russia Collusion Hoax baggage AND gain some credibility for the committee. But, she didn’t want those five. I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse or just incapable of comprehending, but she only rejected two because they were SUBJECTS OF THE INVESTIGATION. Should a judge be allowed to preside over their own corruption trial? Of course not. Even thought Cheney and Kinzinger don't "count" as republicans for Trump/hcpride because they have the audacity to think for themselves, does it matter to you that nearly every witness, including those who've described Trump's efforts to delay the counting and "find" more votes in spite of there being no evidence of fraud, are Republicans as well? Bill Barr doesn't count? The Arizona, Michigan, and Pennsylvania Speakers of the House don't count? So for you, anyone who criticizes Trump, or even just testifies honestly under oath about illegal things that Trump did, isn't really a Republican and is not to be taken seriously. You're really telling on yourself here, dude. Dude? Subjects of her one-sided 'investigation'? LOL The public knows she assiduously worked to create a one-sided process (no doubt McCarthy's nominees would have asked adversarial questions while probing witness testimony). Which is why the lingering misgivings (to put it mildly) over her handling and orchestration of the Trump Russia Collusion hoax continue to loom over this production. Bombshells(!) and otherwise. And Adam Schiff's membership on the committee is just hysterical. Of course there are fans of one-sided inquiries. Clearly.
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Post by rf1 on Jun 30, 2022 12:34:35 GMT -5
Are not nearly all the witnesses that are testifying people that supported and/or served Trump at one time?
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