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Post by WCHC Sports on Sept 28, 2022 15:29:15 GMT -5
That's my point. Any cold-blooded-killer-minded basketball player who isn't 7 feet tall wants to handle the ball, cross up their defender, drive, dish, or score. Even Shaq talks about how he wanted to run the point and shoot 3s. Everyone is a PG until they're moved to something else.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 28, 2022 15:33:05 GMT -5
None of this inspires confidence from my perspective.
When hoops wrote: "Agree, especially since we will need Batch’s scoring. It has been said he is our best shooter in some years," the "it has been said . . . " brings to mind that Clayton LeSann was going to be a great shooter. Not sure who the person who "has been said" but I'll believe these stories when they actually perform on the court. Might be a bit jaded on my part.
Bottom line: As far as an improved product, I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 28, 2022 16:17:38 GMT -5
Gates has been called both a returning veteran and a transfer in various accounts. Wish there was two of him.
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Post by trimster on Sept 28, 2022 18:05:03 GMT -5
Maybe who plays the all important point guard position and how he/they play(s) it should be included. Also team defense needs a mention. Pre season rumor mill says Batchelder will play the point Multiple pictures on HC Men's hoop site shows Batch sporting a white headband. HC also has new practice uniforms and Nelson still has a beard.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 28, 2022 18:45:46 GMT -5
The first seven games are a roller coaster. Start out high against Siena then a death defying drop down to Dean and then a sudden vertical climb to Creighton followed by a drop down to Stonehill followed by a climb up to Fordham and UIC before another sudden drop down to Colby-Sawyer. Dramamine should give the players NIL money for that stretch.
That is followed by a sensible six game New England mid major tour which stabilizes HC and prepares for the PL, allowing the lineup to be set and roles established.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 28, 2022 18:54:01 GMT -5
What is the proposed treatment/therapy for fans during OOC play?
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Post by hchoops on Sept 28, 2022 19:06:29 GMT -5
What is the proposed treatment/therapy for fans during OOC play? Maybe that should be singular
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 28, 2022 19:13:15 GMT -5
Wins (PDR) would seem to be an effective remedy.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 28, 2022 20:28:12 GMT -5
What is the proposed treatment/therapy for fans during OOC play? If HC can take care of business against Dean, Stonehill and Colby Sawyer and win one against the other four, we will head into the stretch of games against the traditional New England D-1 opponents 4-3.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 28, 2022 20:32:01 GMT -5
Stonehill is a question mark, but was a pretty good D2 team for a while. I do not know whom they recruited from HS or as transfers. But they will most likely present a far greater challenge than the other two bad D3 teams.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 29, 2022 7:47:05 GMT -5
I would classify the Stonehill game as a toss-up heading into the season.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 29, 2022 8:43:33 GMT -5
If we are doing PG by a committee, it will be difficult to predict the team's success. It might be clear after three or four games or require the entire OOC schedule to determine if we are in trouble, we are going to be ok, or somebody steps up and delivers and helps us improve..
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Post by hchoops on Sept 29, 2022 8:49:03 GMT -5
If there is a committee, it will most likely consist of two. Batch and Tse.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 29, 2022 10:08:40 GMT -5
So, for you experts and semi-experts out there, how much is having PGs shuttling in and out of a game like football QBs doing the same thing? While it sometimes works in football, not usually as the rest of the team needs to adjust for each style and just complicates things. Making an (un)educated guess that if we go for a PG-by-committee we'll have our usual success that we've had the last few years (read: not). Then again, maybe I'm just seeing the glass as half-empty?
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Post by hchoops on Sept 29, 2022 10:13:14 GMT -5
I have rarely seen more than two primary points, sometimes playing together. One is usually clearly the backup. That is what I expect this season, but who knows for sure ?
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Post by Tom on Sept 29, 2022 11:20:18 GMT -5
I have rarely seen more than two primary points, sometimes playing together. One is usually clearly the backup. That is what I expect this season, but who knows for sure ? I would agree but add there are frequently two and that system can work. I think of Serravalle and Meade, Meade and Thomas, Thomas and Doherty.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 29, 2022 11:51:32 GMT -5
But wasn't one always primary and the secondary came in to spell the primary? That's fine but that's not the impression I got from prior posts.
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Post by Tom on Sept 29, 2022 12:07:47 GMT -5
But wasn't one always primary and the secondary came in to spell the primary? That's fine but that's not the impression I got from prior posts. Yes. The unsubstantiated rumor I heard is that Batchelder was the guy. Maybe the committee talk is coach speak for telling guys that no one is guaranteed anything and they'll get what they earn in practice. Not an uncommon thing to say - even if we all think Gates is starting this season. Maybe, like many rumors, the one I heard was false. Heck, maybe we're going back to the Princeton offense and the point will literally be handled by committee. We probably won't know for sure until the first time Sienna tries to press.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 29, 2022 13:31:40 GMT -5
But wasn't one always primary and the secondary came in to spell the primary? That's fine but that's not the impression I got from prior posts. Yes. The unsubstantiated rumor I heard is that Batchelder was the guy. Maybe the committee talk is coach speak for telling guys that no one is guaranteed anything and they'll get what they earn in practice. Not an uncommon thing to say - even if we all think Gates is starting this season. Maybe, like many rumors, the one I heard was false. Heck, maybe we're going back to the Princeton offense and the point will literally be handled by committee. We probably won't know for sure until the first time Sienna tries to press. Your waitress at Herbies waits on the coaches, too?
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Post by hcnj on Sept 29, 2022 23:55:54 GMT -5
The comparison of Batch to CLS is pretty far fetched. Anyone who thought the latter was going to be a "great" D1 shooter was a true fan. Batchelder is seen as one of the best 5 players on the team along with Gates and Octave so if you think Bo and Kenney are the other two it's no choice IMO. Tse is a true PG but he he needs to prove he's a good PG. At least 2 guys that we're not expecting to be strong contributors need to be in addition for that to happen (or Batchelder has to have real trouble). We'll win very few games with the non-Octave/Gates/Batchelder guys maintaining their career numbers.
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Post by hc17 on Sept 30, 2022 7:34:58 GMT -5
With the size and length on this year's team, I wonder if the staff rolls out more of a 2-3 zone. I doubt it, but its something that I think could be effective given the personnel on that end of the floor. Given that this may be the last year of the Nelson experience, he may be more apt to adjust the coaching style/system for the sake of results.
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Post by crusader12 on Sept 30, 2022 7:56:08 GMT -5
6 wins
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Post by hchoops on Sept 30, 2022 8:01:18 GMT -5
With the size and length on this year's team, I wonder if the staff rolls out more of a 2-3 zone. I doubt it, but its something that I think could be effective given the personnel on that end of the floor. Given that this may be the last year of the Nelson experience, he may be more apt to adjust the coaching style/system for the sake of results. I hope so, but have no confidence in him changing anything
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Post by hchoops on Sept 30, 2022 8:03:41 GMT -5
The comparison of Batch to CLS is pretty far fetched. Anyone who thought the latter was going to be a "great" D1 shooter was a true fan. Batchelder is seen as one of the best 5 players on the team along with Gates and Octave so if you think Bo and Kenney are the other two it's no choice IMO. Tse is a true PG but he he needs to prove he's a good PG. At least 2 guys that we're not expecting to be strong contributors need to be in addition for that to happen (or Batchelder has to have real trouble). We'll win very few games with the non-Octave/Gates/Batchelder guys maintaining their career numbers. I believe Bo will be the fourth to add to your core 3. As far as the fifth, I have no idea.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 30, 2022 8:11:38 GMT -5
I bought the Lindy's Sports College Basketball Annual. Believe it or not this publications picks HC to finish 7th in the PL.
Here's the writeup on our team
"The slow but steady improvement under coach Brett Nelson should continue because rugged forward Gerrale Gates is using an extra season of eligibility. He has 18 double-doubles in two seasons with the Crusaders, and has totaled 1,196 points and 669 rebounds in a career that began at New Orleans in 2018-19. Nelson has added three transfers who started at their respective schools last season: 6-11 forward Simon Wilbar (Indiana State) and guards Joe Octave (Air Force) and Jade Tse (Houston Baptist).
KEEP AN EYE ON: The Crusaders tend to win when guard Bo Montgomery heats up. He averaged 14.3 points on 56.6 shooting in their nine victories last season."
Gates is projected as 1st team All-Conference along with Richardson and Records of Colgate, Rucker of Army, and Whyte of BU. Richardson is projected as POY and Bube Momah of Lehigh as Newcomer of the Year. Gates is also listed as Best Rebounder and best NBA prospect.
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