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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 10, 2022 18:23:12 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 10, 2022 18:27:55 GMT -5
Happy Indeed...and Happy Columbus Day to all from a Knight of Columbus.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Oct 10, 2022 18:32:06 GMT -5
I think Worcester had an Italian Heritage Parade, and I applaud the celebration of Italian Heritage (even though I'm Irish). I also applaud HC for noting Indigenous People Day.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 10, 2022 18:55:41 GMT -5
Well done, Holy Cross An appropriate historical connection. On Mount Pakachoag
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Post by mm67 on Oct 10, 2022 19:30:05 GMT -5
Columbus - Hero? or Villain? Or? Classroom lesson which always elicited intense discussion. Obviously it was for each student to decide for herself/himself. I was proud there was never unanimity of opinion. Although youngsters tend to think in absolutes and tend to have a clear sense of right and wrong (fair & unfair) there were many nuanced opinions as well as some with clearly stated strong views. In my youth Columbus was the hero and expansion of Western hegemony into the New World (God, Gold and Glory) while dogged by brutality was a given. Later, I learned the depth of pain people felt over the brutality visited upon their ancestors by Europeans. I read the diaries of the Conquistadores of their conquest Mexico and Peru. Indeed it was horrible. Although one should never engage in presentism there are some episodes - the Holocaust, Enslavement, British brutality in Ireland, etc which must be strongly criticized today. Can we honestly criticize the behavior and let the perpetrators off the hook? And, the judgement of history will reflect differences of viewpoint about Columbus and the outgrowth of his landing in the Caribbean but it certainly is trending negative among more folks.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 11, 2022 7:24:06 GMT -5
Is HC apologizing and returning the ground to the Nipmuc Nation?
My favorite event this time of year is the Columbia University celebration of Indigenous Peoples day. Visited with my prospective student daughter several years ago and found it weird even by Ivy standards. Unintentionally hilarious (not to mention compensatory) displays of cognitive dissonance at the university named for Christopher Columbus.
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Post by purplenurple on Oct 11, 2022 8:00:00 GMT -5
I think Italian-Americans would be better served to find someone else to celebrate in honor of their contributions to the American experiment, such as Mother Cabrini. She is the patron saint of immigrants, which dovetails well transitioning from Columbus' "discovery of America" to a person who served immigrants by founding orphanages, hospitals, and schools across the US. It would also more directly honor (and shines a better light on) the Catholic faith tradition of Italian-Americans. Colorado made Cabrini Day a paid state holiday in 2020 www.cabriniday.com/. Columbus Day is going the way of the dodo; we should not let honoring Italian-Americans go that way as well.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 11, 2022 8:36:48 GMT -5
Another version of history:
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Post by hchoops on Oct 11, 2022 9:05:32 GMT -5
Thanks for this insightful piece
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 9, 2023 10:51:12 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Oct 9, 2023 11:10:22 GMT -5
Of course we all know that European "discovery" of America wasn't by Columbus. Long before his voyage, Irish missionaries led by St Brendan claimed that honor
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Post by WCHC Sports on Oct 9, 2023 11:26:00 GMT -5
History in the 21st century is a constant struggle and endeavor to determine against all odds, conventional thinking, and with even the most obscure concrete evidence, who was the most "wrong" and who was the most "right." From a seemingly biased perspective, the soup du jour is tearing down all of what was deemed "right," and a meme/viral-like rush to anoint people and perspectives that the world has never heard of.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 9, 2023 15:51:09 GMT -5
Within minutes of naming a holiday after Mother Cabrini the activists would be hard at work trying to destroy her reputation.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Oct 9, 2023 16:21:33 GMT -5
"Mother Cabrini actually had a bad habit of calling those who opposed the corporal works of mercy, 'jabronis,' so much so that a local group led by Horatio Hornblower organized an incense-burning protest outside of one of her hospitals, singing 'We Shall Overcome.'" Take a lappppppppppppppp
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Post by alum on Oct 9, 2023 16:48:11 GMT -5
Happy Indeed...and Happy Columbus Day to all from a Knight of Columbus. Nice people, the Knights. They do good work in their communities including putting on free throw competitions. Too bad the national organization spent your dues leading a bigoted fight against same sex marriage in California.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 9, 2023 16:59:05 GMT -5
And let's not forget that Holy Cross occupies land stolen from the Nipmuck people. Attachment Deleted
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 9, 2023 20:15:28 GMT -5
Happy Indeed...and Happy Columbus Day to all from a Knight of Columbus. Nice people, the Knights. They do good work in their communities including putting on free throw competitions. Too bad the national organization spent your dues leading a bigoted fight against same sex marriage in California. Too bad that some see anyione with differemt beliefs as a "bigot." PS: None of my dues were spent in any such fight...nor would I ever contribute to such an action. I do not donate to PACs.
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Post by alum on Oct 10, 2023 6:38:03 GMT -5
Nice people, the Knights. They do good work in their communities including putting on free throw competitions. Too bad the national organization spent your dues leading a bigoted fight against same sex marriage in California. Too bad that some see anyione with differemt beliefs as a "bigot." PS: None of my dues were spent in any such fight...nor would I ever contribute to such an action. I do not donate to PACs. If a religious group said that a mixed race couple ought not be allowed to marry because they claimed it violated God's laws, few would have a problem calling it bigoted. There is absolutely no difference between that and the opposition to allowing same sex individuals to marry. The Knights, as I understand it, are a 501(c)(8) organziation and can participate in political advocacy (but not partisan politics.) I don't know where they get the money to work on issues--perhaps from the untaxed profits of their insurance business. In any event, I know that you would never support opposition to same sex marriage. You were among the earliest here who made that clear.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 10, 2023 7:25:45 GMT -5
For a more full history of the Jesuits and Indigenous Peoples in the Americas, see a short treatise published in 2022: myusf.usfca.edu/provost/The-Jesuits-and-Native-Communities#:~:text=In%201634%2C%20Jesuits%20arrived%20in,the%20Catholic%20monarch%20of%20England. [^^^Junipero Serra, not a Jesuit, does not come off well.] Despairing of the anti-Catholic sentiment in Boston, Bishop Fenwick sought to establish the first Catholic college in New England in far northern Maine, near the Canadian border, and home of the Wabanaki Confederacy. Other Jesuits dissuaded him, and instead, he went to Worcester and found Father Fitton and his farm and school. Fitton was previously a missionary to the Passamaquoddy, a tribe in the Wabanaki Confederacy.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 10, 2023 7:28:04 GMT -5
Thanks for remembering. I believe they have a separate political action committee (not sure of its name). The life insurance is what they were formed to provide for the families of uninsured workers. That goes back many years. There are no "profits" to distribute anywhere, since all of that insurance money is held separate.
As for "marriage" of same sex partners, it is the definition of marriage that causes issues there. The Church teaches that a marriage is between a man and a woman - but now, thanks to our Jesuit Pope - can bless same sex "unions." Remember it is not the church that marries anyone. It is the couple themselves who exchange vows and any clergy are sinply there as "witnesses."
In fact, I am working on a K of C fundraiser today...a golf tournament to raise money for (1) Tunnel to Towers to help families of sick or deceased 9/11 workers and other "first responders," (2) helping women with children to get homes and to offer them support for their families, and (3) funding medical research for "orphan diseases.".
PS: Our parish (Church of the Presentation" in Upper Saddle River, NJ is one of the largest Catholic parishes in America and has an active LGBTQ Outreach program as well as gay and lesbian Eucharistic Ministers.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 10, 2023 7:45:19 GMT -5
I know Indigenous Peoples' Day is a significant re-naming of Columbus Day in some circles so that Monday Tweet from Holy Cross is not unexpected.
At the same time there was a rather significant event in Israel over the weekend that surely calls for a bit of public and unequivocal condemnation from our institutes of higher learning. A few colleges have already done so.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 10, 2023 8:08:21 GMT -5
Thanks for remembering. I believe they have a separate political action committee (not sure of its name). The life insurance is what they were formed to provide for the families of uninsured workers. That goes back many years. There are no "profits" to distribute anywhere, since all of that insurance money is held separate. As for "marriage" of same sex partners, it is the definition of marriage that causes issues there. The Church teaches that a marriage is between a man and a woman - but now, thanks to our Jesuit Pope - can bless same sex "unions." Remember it is not the church that marries anyone. It is the couple themselves who exchange vows and any clergy are sinply there as "witnesses." In fact, I am working on a K of C fundraiser today...a golf tournament to raise money for (1) Tunnel to Towers to help families of sick or deceased 9/11 workers and other "first responders," (2) helping women with children to get homes and to offer them support for their families, and (3) funding medical research for "orphan diseases.". PS: Our parish (Church of the Presentation" in Upper Saddle River, NJ is one of the largest Catholic parishes in America and has an active LGBTQ Outreach program as well as gay and lesbian Eucharistic Ministers. I was very pleased to: 1. read your post above, RGS, but 2. equally pleased to see that alum "liked" it as well. This is the type of dialogue we'd expect from Holy Cross students and graduates. When there are differences, it is wonderful to see efforts to seek common ground. If only we could do more of that within our great country as cooler heads recognize there is much, much more that unites us than divides us.
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Post by Tom on Oct 10, 2023 8:15:33 GMT -5
I know I'm kind of stuck in the 20th century, but, even though I think that terrorism, this time in the form of murder, rape, and kidnapping is bad, I don't feel compelled to make a public condemnation of the attack. I don't think the school is remiss in not issuing a public statement. Old fashioned me thinks that, once the students return from fall break, a prayer vigil for the souls lost would accomplish more than a post on social media.
Maybe one day I'll catch up with 21st century thinking
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Post by newfieguy74 on Oct 10, 2023 8:20:55 GMT -5
I know I'm kind of stuck in the 20th century, but, even though I think that terrorism, this time in the form of murder, rape, and kidnapping is bad, I don't feel compelled to make a public condemnation of the attack. I don't think the school is remiss in not issuing a public statement. Old fashioned me thinks that, once the students return from fall break, a prayer vigil for the souls lost would accomplish more than a post on social media. Maybe one day I'll catch up with 21st century thinking Actually, you raise a good point: what should the role of HC be in commenting on current events? I don't have an easy answer for this.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 10, 2023 8:25:09 GMT -5
I know I'm kind of stuck in the 20th century, but, even though I think that terrorism, this time in the form of murder, rape, and kidnapping is bad, I don't feel compelled to make a public condemnation of the attack. I don't think the school is remiss in not issuing a public statement. Old fashioned me thinks that, once the students return from fall break, a prayer vigil for the souls lost would accomplish more than a post on social media. Maybe one day I'll catch up with 21st century thinking I think you're absolutely right. It's amusing scrolling through Instagram and seeing professional sports leagues and teams make posts about the Hamas attacks. Thank you, PGA Tour, for letting me know you strongly condemn the senseless attacks by Hamas. I really needed to know your stance on this. However, it is interesting what's going on at Harvard...https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/10/10/psc-statement-backlash/ As of this posting, I don't believe Harvard has issued any official statement.
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