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Post by sarasota on Nov 26, 2016 22:38:29 GMT -5
Prior to this season, North Dakota State has won FCS fball Championship FIVE STRAIGHT TIMES. How many Americans know that? How many Americans care? How many Americans know there is a North Dakota State? How many Americans know there is a North Dakota? My god, is this what we're spending Millions on? Football has become the tail that wags the dog at HC. It's a thousand pound anchor on our bball program.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 26, 2016 23:15:13 GMT -5
Football has become the tail that wags the dog at HC. It's a thousand pound anchor on our bball program. [ Not true at all. If you traveled to New York City for the HC-Fordham football weekend you would have seen a display of school spirit, pride, and comradely that could not be duplicated in any other way. How is Fairfield doing without football? Boston U? Northeastern has really taken huge leaps with their basketball program since eliminating football, right? Joining the Hocey East would have the potential to be a far bigger issue for our budget than having a football program. |
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Post by sarasota on Nov 26, 2016 23:24:22 GMT -5
caro- Fairfield, BU and Northeastern are not among the 31 highest ranked liberal arts colleges in the US. A kid that wants BU or Northeastern will not even apply to HC. They want to go to school in Boston.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 26, 2016 23:29:55 GMT -5
caro- Fairfield, BU and Northeastern are not among the 31 highest ranked liberal arts colleges in the US. A kid that wants BU or Northeastern will not even apply to HC. They want to go to school in Boston. But that doesn't address your statement that football is dragging down basketball at HC. How many great high school junior and senior basketball players that are passionate about a Liberal Arts education are currently passing on HC, but would be coming to HC if the hoops program somehow had more money that would be leftover if we got rid of football? |
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Post by sarasota on Nov 26, 2016 23:34:12 GMT -5
caro- With more money we could schedule a more attractive OOC bball schedule, including playing in the DCU Center. Because of our fball program we are a captive of the PL, and that is not good for our bball program.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 26, 2016 23:39:55 GMT -5
caro- With more money we could schedule a more attractive OOC bball schedule, including playing in the DCU Center. So if we didn't have football, we would have enough money to schedule guarantee games against Mid-Majors at the DCU Center? I'll take having a football program over that any day of the week. (Also, the DCU Center is not an attraction. It appears that some may be under the impression that it's the Taj Mahal the way it is has been spoken about recently, when it is actually an average-to-below average facility with a setup that is particularly poor for basketball games.) |
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Post by sarasota on Nov 26, 2016 23:53:02 GMT -5
caro- Yeah right. Sitting in a cold empty Fitton watching a losing home team playing an opponent you care nothing about is better than playing a competitive bball game against a high major bball opponent in a large arena that is fine for bball.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 26, 2016 23:58:04 GMT -5
caro- Yeah right. Sitting in a cold empty Fitton watching a losing home team playing an opponent you care nothing about is better than playing a competitive bball game against a high major bball opponent in a large arena that is fine for bball. We're not getting High-Majors to the DCU for games. It's difficult enough to get A-10 teams there, and tying to throw money at High Majors for a home game is not only unheard of, but would never work. Those schools can make that money by having a home game, and many coaches are cornered with making the NCAA's and keeping their jobs. |
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Post by timholycross on Nov 27, 2016 9:42:30 GMT -5
Landscape of the sport is totally against doing that sort of thing, even more so than when basketball scholarships were resumed and Ralph Willard was hired...and TPTB claimed that's what they were going to do.
And, I know from your previous statements, 'sota, that you were and are against playing in a significantly higher conference.
I'd rather make what's going on now work than change to something I KNOW WON'T WORK AT ALL.
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Post by bikeman on Nov 27, 2016 10:14:06 GMT -5
Football is not dragging HC down. The PL did that. Based on what is happening on the hill, football will be around for a long time. Some day you should actually come here and observe first hand.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 27, 2016 15:55:35 GMT -5
Bricks and mortar will only take you so far.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 27, 2016 16:35:04 GMT -5
A lot of us would probably trade places with, say, Providence (high profile basketball program; D1 hockey, limited additional sports, some successful (final 4 in soccer 2 years ago)).
Very very few would trade places with Iona or Marist.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 27, 2016 22:53:24 GMT -5
A lot of us would probably trade places with, say, Providence (high profile basketball program; D1 hockey, limited additional sports, some successful (final 4 in soccer 2 years ago)). Very very few would trade places with Iona or Marist. If football $$$ is really an anchor on a school's basketball program, how come Providence and Seton Hall haven't been eons better than Villanova in hoops? Can anyone think of examples of schools dropping football and the basketball team seeing major tangible benefits as a result of this? The only examples I can think of are Wichita State and Pacific and I'm not sure the relationship is that of cause and effect. |
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Post by sarasota on Nov 27, 2016 23:50:06 GMT -5
tim- HC would never be willing to sacrifice academics in order to compete with the Providences of the world--or any other of the Big East teams. That's what Brooks understood. Maybe because I'm an old fart who grew up and lived in the greater NYC area, who went to Catholic high school in the greater NYC area, who new fellow high school grads who went to greater NYC area colleges, who taught at a MAAC college that I feel a connection with the MAAC schools that I do not with the PL schools. Also, I believe HC has many alums in the greater NYC area who share my feeling. As HChoops knows, historically, the center of focus for our teams has NOT been in the Lehigh Valley but in the Metro NYC area. That's where our roots are. That's where the Cooz and Tommy and Togo and Promuto, etc. came from.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 28, 2016 9:35:13 GMT -5
Rather than beat a dead horse here (yours or mine), you do raise an interesting question: In general, not just sports, is HC as MA/CT/NY/NJ centric as it was? Certainly the connection to Worcester isn't nearly the same; or for sure completely different with day students being nearly extinct.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 28, 2016 13:04:21 GMT -5
tim- excellent question
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 29, 2016 8:38:46 GMT -5
HC is an anomaly.
In the NBE, two schools play Div I football. Georgetown tries to do it without scollies (because men's hoops costs $10.4 million a year.). Villanova has football scollies, but Villanova's basketball costs are lower because it plays many games on-campus at a 6,500 seat arena, rather than trying to fill a 20,000 seat, privately-owned arena.
In all of FCS, there are 10 schools that play ice hockey: six Ivies, Colgate, HC, Sacred Heart, and Robert Morris. Colgate prioritizes hockey above hoops. Sacred Heart and Robert Morris are limited to 40 football equivalencies, and we know what league they play ice hockey in.
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Post by matunuck on Nov 29, 2016 9:18:38 GMT -5
Rather than beat a dead horse here (yours or mine), you do raise an interesting question: In general, not just sports, is HC as MA/CT/NY/NJ centric as it was? Certainly the connection to Worcester isn't nearly the same; or for sure completely different with day students being nearly extinct. I think we're still too Northeast centric. We have too many kids from MA and with population shifts need much more focus on other parts of the country. |
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Post by matunuck on Nov 29, 2016 9:27:06 GMT -5
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