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Post by efg72 on Nov 2, 2022 21:08:40 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 3, 2022 0:43:06 GMT -5
Gonzaga has had chances to win it all. I don't see how the WCC can be blamed for not getting it done or how membership in another league would have assured the Zags of a national championship in any year they went deep in the tournament.
The concept of Few setting up Gonzaga in a better situation for after he leaves is not guaranteed by moving to a tougher league. Look at the Fordham experience. They moved to a higher rated league but haven't been in a better situation depending on how you define that and your tolerance for losing seasons to reap the benefit of a higher rated league.
But I would say Gonzaga BB moving up is more logical than HC FB moving up. The CAA wouldn't make a dime's worth of difference as far as HC getting to Frisco imo.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 3, 2022 6:06:28 GMT -5
If HC wanted to be in the CAA, our best opportunity was this past year when they added 4 new all-sports members.
TPTB are happy with the PL. IMO, only an A-10 opportunity would move the needle as far as a conference move. Different story if we're talking about Men's Hockey.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 4, 2022 18:53:21 GMT -5
The CAA would only help because it would allow HC to be more flexible with admissions for football and basketball if the school wanted such flexibility. I suspect many of TPTB are happy with the PL restrictions that make national relevance difficult and football and basketball.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 4, 2022 19:44:43 GMT -5
HC could compete with CAA schools in the scholarship sports but it wouldn't be pretty in the minor sports. Not that it's attractive now playing against as close a group of peer schools as you could fit in a police lineup.
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Post by mm67 on Nov 4, 2022 20:49:38 GMT -5
Of course TPTB are happy with PL academic policies. After all the AI is merely a tool implementing academic policies HC followed long before the PL. It is quite likely HC played a big role in crafting PL academic policies. Some might posit that relaxed academic policies to suit the needs of athletics would be a betrayal of HC's historic mission. Peace.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 4, 2022 21:12:31 GMT -5
The CAA would only help because it would allow HC to be more flexible with admissions for football and basketball if the school wanted such flexibility. I suspect many of TPTB are happy with the PL restrictions that make national relevance difficult and football and basketball. It is sad the trustees don’t understand a very important responsibility they have is to deliver on the financial future of our great school. While playing against a group of schools they think are our peers will bring money to the school they are likely mistaken unless the board has committed $ 500 m or more to the fund or the endowment i don’t mind playing a couple of the PL and Ivies each year, but it does nothing to guarantee a wonderful future for Holy Cross. Winning in sports will improve the academic reputation, the yield in admissions, total applicant pool, fundraising and perhaps estate planning. but that is an opinion of one tired old alum |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 4, 2022 22:53:48 GMT -5
As case studies, by how much have their endowments and applications increased since our fellow Jesuit schools Gonzaga and Xavier so dramatically improved their basketball programs?
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 5, 2022 1:17:55 GMT -5
Xavier's endowment has grown from 33 million in 1996 to 259 million in 2021. Gonzaga's endowment has grown from approximately 120 million in 2010 to approximately 310 million in 2020, which is faster than the AJCU average and does coincide with their basketball program success.
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Post by rf1 on Nov 5, 2022 9:50:42 GMT -5
Xavier is actually having enrollment issues right now. The university accepted 6,000 more first-time students in 2021 than it did in 2017, even though about 500 fewer students ultimately enrolled. This drop along with an imbalanced male to female ratio has the school considering starting an FCS football team. They are looking at the mostly non scholarship Pioneer Football League as a potential landing spot. This league has schools such as Dayton, Butler, Davidson, and Valpo.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 5, 2022 10:06:49 GMT -5
Xavier's admissions officers have a tough job as the school accepts 84% of applicants but it looks like the yield is just over 10%.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 5, 2022 10:12:17 GMT -5
Those numbers are sad to hear. Xavier, a school with a long history, might be a good addition to the Pioneer league.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 5, 2022 10:36:56 GMT -5
Xavier is actually having enrollment issues right now. The university accepted 6,000 more first-time students in 2021 than it did in 2017, even though about 500 fewer students ultimately enrolled. This drop along with an imbalanced male to female ratio has the school considering starting an FCS football team. They are looking at the mostly non scholarship Pioneer Football League as a potential landing spot. This league has schools such as Dayton, Butler, Davidson, and Valpo. Xavier was 5-5 their last season, 1973. Must have been a hell of a coaching job considering the 4 years before that were three 1-9s and a 2-8. |
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 5, 2022 11:02:59 GMT -5
Xavier is actually having enrollment issues right now. The university accepted 6,000 more first-time students in 2021 than it did in 2017, even though about 500 fewer students ultimately enrolled. This drop along with an imbalanced male to female ratio has the school considering starting an FCS football team. They are looking at the mostly non scholarship Pioneer Football League as a potential landing spot. This league has schools such as Dayton, Butler, Davidson, and Valpo. Xavier is a perfect fit. Locally Anna Maria and Becker started football programs to help sustain the overall institutional mission. Worked for one of the schools. |
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