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Post by sader1970 on Nov 13, 2022 13:12:28 GMT -5
Don't apologize, NAD, not a "hijacking," but an amusing digression. While some here think it's a mortal sin to not strictly adhere to the thread topic, some of us remember "bull sessions" at HC that went from one topic to another and that was part of the fun.  |
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Post by crusader1970 on Nov 13, 2022 13:16:04 GMT -5
When are the seedings/pairings announced for the playoffs?As to the announcers...at least they did not refer to the Crusaders by saying "we" as several other announcers do regularly. Yes, they do talk about Holy Cross items that few outside of our group would find interesting, but even other announcers have spoken about Coach Chesney's dad and their relationship. Sunday, Nov 20th at 12:30 PM on ESPN-U.
It's called the FCS Selection Show I believe.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 13, 2022 13:19:25 GMT -5
If I was coaching against us this year, I think this is the path I would follow. Other than Fordham which did whatever they wanted against us, the passing seems dramatically more effective for our opponents than the running. “I think they committed to strictly the pass game (in the second half),” Holy Cross coach Bob Chesney said. “In the first half, they tried to be more balanced. In the second half, they said, ‘We’re going to throw the ball over and over and over again.’” I wonder if Chesney gave any thought to the defense he was playing against Fordham once they got rolling. Once their mini back got knocked out of the game (remember Randy Trivers, anyone?) they did not have much of a ground game. Maybe against Bryant that would have worked better. One thing that actually hurt HC was that their run defense was so weak in the second half; HC scored too quickly. Would have loved an extra first down or two to kill more clock and give the D a longer rest. Fuller took the air out of the ball when he took his slide at the 15 yard line. |
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 13, 2022 13:35:20 GMT -5
When are the seedings/pairings announced for the playoffs? As to the announcers...at least they did not refer to the Crusaders by saying "we" as several other announcers do regularly. Yes, they do talk about Holy Cross items that few outside of our group would find interesting, but even other announcers have spoken about Coach Chesney's dad and their relationship. Kevin Shea mentioned the new basketball arena and other construction at Bryant and Kevin Gehl explained why Bryant is in the Big South. But yes I like announcers who keep their tidbits about programs in the 60%-40% range of home to visiting team. |
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Post by kaftan12 on Nov 13, 2022 13:53:54 GMT -5
I wonder if Chesney gave any thought to the defense he was playing against Fordham once they got rolling. Once their mini back got knocked out of the game (remember Randy Trivers, anyone?) they did not have much of a ground game. Maybe against Bryant that would have worked better. One thing that actually hurt HC was that their run defense was so weak in the second half; HC scored too quickly. Would have loved an extra first down or two to kill more clock and give the D a longer rest. Fuller took the air out of the ball when he took his slide at the 15 yard line. That game should have been over by halftime. When you book a soft schedule you need to put these teams away early. Didn’t happen and blaming Fuller for making the smartest call of the game is tough. The team was not prepared to play against a 3-6 team and it showed. Just hoping we don’t lose a bye. |
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Post by Bob Saccamano on Nov 13, 2022 14:07:28 GMT -5
I believe Ches has only 1 penalty this season. He knows the limit of most officials One is a lot for a football coach |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 13, 2022 14:16:44 GMT -5
Classic game of tale of 2 halves. We had opportunities to put this away but seemed to continually shoot ourselves in the foot offensively as well as breaking down defensively. Troubling lack of a pass rush is putting pressure on our secondary. As we've stated here, D injuries this year and graduation losses on the D-line have really hampered our D overall. Bryant overall was probably the best team we played after Buffalo, Yale, Harvard and Fordham. Beautiful day for a fan if a bit windy for the players. I actually wore shorts as did many others....made note of the fact that almost 50 years ago to the day was the "Syracuse 0 Degrees Game"....thank you climate change. On to our nation's capitol and await the playoff seedings. The “Syracuse 0 Degrees Game “ was 49 years ago. 11/10/73. Have to agree, it was the coldest HC football game 🥶I have attended. |
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Post by hchoops on Nov 13, 2022 14:48:32 GMT -5
1963 BC at Fitton
Frigid
But all was good when we won.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 13, 2022 14:50:32 GMT -5
Fuller took the air out of the ball when he took his slide at the 15 yard line. That game should have been over by halftime. When you book a soft schedule you need to put these teams away early. Didn’t happen and blaming Fuller for making the smartest call of the game is tough. The team was not prepared to play against a 3-6 team and it showed. Just hoping we don’t lose a bye. Playing badly does not equate with either a lack of preparation or effort. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 13, 2022 15:11:39 GMT -5
Fuller took the air out of the ball when he took his slide at the 15 yard line. That game should have been over by halftime. When you book a soft schedule you need to put these teams away early. Didn’t happen and blaming Fuller for making the smartest call of the game is tough. The team was not prepared to play against a 3-6 team and it showed. Just hoping we don’t lose a bye. This game was over at halftime. Problem is we let them back into the game. |
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Post by hchoops on Nov 13, 2022 15:33:22 GMT -5
That game should have been over by halftime. When you book a soft schedule you need to put these teams away early. Didn’t happen and blaming Fuller for making the smartest call of the game is tough. The team was not prepared to play against a 3-6 team and it showed. Just hoping we don’t lose a bye. This game was over at halftime. Problem is we let them back into the game. The game clearly was not over at the half. we have to give Bryant credit for making it competitive. |
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Post by jkh67 on Nov 13, 2022 15:56:38 GMT -5
I’ve heard more Holy Cross talk from the general Worcester population than I have in years/decades. Hoping this continues for the foreseeable future. Absolutely. I'll never forget a Worcester resident (and graduate of Assumption) telling me that some of her friends referred to HC as "the snobs on the hill." I think it's essential for HC to engage with Worcester on a regular basis in any way that's possible. I remember History Professor Bill Green (who played football at Delaware in the late 1950s before getting his PhD at Harvard) telling a mid-'60s seminar that the Worcester community certainly loved their Boston pro teams, but that support for HC football and basketball was high. That's a long time ago, but maybe we can start reconnecting again. Nothing like an exciting coach and successful team to make that happen, of course. We absolutely need to do that in basketball as well. Anyone in the administration listening? |
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 13, 2022 16:00:43 GMT -5
Fuller took the air out of the ball when he took his slide at the 15 yard line. That game should have been over by halftime. When you book a soft schedule you need to put these teams away early. Didn’t happen and blaming Fuller for making the smartest call of the game is tough. The team was not prepared to play against a 3-6 team and it showed. Just hoping we don’t lose a bye. I was attempting to praise Fuller for his savvy and sacrifice to give up his own TD stats to put the game away without the chance of Bryant getting the ball back. |
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Post by trimster on Nov 13, 2022 16:09:21 GMT -5
Absolutely. I'll never forget a Worcester resident (and graduate of Assumption) telling me that some of her friends referred to HC as "the snobs on the hill." I think it's essential for HC to engage with Worcester on a regular basis in any way that's possible. I remember History Professor Bill Green (who played football at Delaware in the late 1950s before getting his PhD at Harvard) telling a mid-'60s seminar that the Worcester community certainly loved their Boston pro teams, but that support for HC football and basketball was high. That's a long time ago, but maybe we can start reconnecting again. Nothing like an exciting coach and successful team to make that happen, of course. We absolutely need to do that in basketball as well. Anyone in the administration listening? HC gave away the Worcester fandom many years ago. They all left and I don't think that many have returned. |
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 13, 2022 16:29:06 GMT -5
I remember History Professor Bill Green (who played football at Delaware in the late 1950s before getting his PhD at Harvard) telling a mid-'60s seminar that the Worcester community certainly loved their Boston pro teams, but that support for HC football and basketball was high. That's a long time ago, but maybe we can start reconnecting again. Nothing like an exciting coach and successful team to make that happen, of course. We absolutely need to do that in basketball as well. Anyone in the administration listening? HC gave away the Worcester fandom many years ago. They all left and I don't think that many have returned. But I can't fault HC's attempt to reconnect now. Not over the top, but reaching out to augment the organic interest a championship team generates. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 13, 2022 16:36:58 GMT -5
Attendance has improved. Who do our posters think is buying the incremental tickets: (1) old fans from Worcester getting religion again, (2) fans, alums or locals, who attended one game a year now attending 2 or 3, (3) lapsed alums returning, (4) new fans who had never before gone to a game, (5) better student attendance? Of course it is some combination of the above and of other factors, but what do you think are the biggest contributors?
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Post by trimster on Nov 13, 2022 16:38:23 GMT -5
HC gave away the Worcester fandom many years ago. They all left and I don't think that many have returned. But I can't fault HC's attempt to reconnect now. Not over the top, but reaching out to augment the organic interest a championship team generates. I applaud their efforts to reconnect. I just think it's harder to find a new customer than keep a current one. |
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 13, 2022 16:41:25 GMT -5
I sat next to a family who are local residents and decided to go because of the media attention. The mom said it was 3 or 4 years since they were at a game but they couldn't turn down $8 tickets. I think the great attendance this fall is a combination of all factors. I saw former classmates at the Fordham game who often go only once per year and another former football player who was captivated by the hype.
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Post by bikeman on Nov 13, 2022 17:44:57 GMT -5
Central Mass is noticing what HC is doing. People are talking. A deep playoff run would definitely help further. I wish mens b-ball could figure it out.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 13, 2022 17:54:39 GMT -5
Attendance has improved. Who do our posters think is buying the incremental tickets: (1) old fans from Worcester getting religion again, (2) fans, alums or locals, who attended one game a year now attending 2 or 3, (3) lapsed alums returning, (4) new fans who had never before gone to a game, (5) better student attendance? Of course it is some combination of the above and of other factors, but what do you think are the biggest contributors? Someone who liked to see Gordie play is on the average well over 70...Heck, Gordie is 57 or thereabouts. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 13, 2022 18:00:24 GMT -5
I remember History Professor Bill Green (who played football at Delaware in the late 1950s before getting his PhD at Harvard) telling a mid-'60s seminar that the Worcester community certainly loved their Boston pro teams, but that support for HC football and basketball was high. That's a long time ago, but maybe we can start reconnecting again. Nothing like an exciting coach and successful team to make that happen, of course. We absolutely need to do that in basketball as well. Anyone in the administration listening? HC gave away the Worcester fandom many years ago. They all left and I don't think that many have returned. The demographics of Worcester have changed greatly over 50 years. In the 1970 Census, of a population of 176,000, 172,000 were white, and 3,300 were "Negro". 9,600 had completed four years of college, 5.4 percent of the population. Foreign stock were almost entirely from European countries and Canada. 200 were from Mexico and Cuba, and 500 were from elsewhere in Central and South America.. In the 2020 Census, of a population of 206,500, Percentage of the population that was White alone, not Hispanic or Latino was 54 percent. Black or African American alone was 13 percent. Asian alone 7 percent. Hispanic or Latino 23 percent. (Does not add to 100 percent because I excluded several racial categories, e.g., two or more races.) 21 percent of the population was foreign born. 31 percent had completed four or more years of college. (< The great majority of these did not go to Holy Cross.) In 1970, the working class population of Worcester probably gravitated to supporting Holy Cross because they had not attended another college or university, and Holy Cross students were from the same demographic milieu as themselves. |
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 13, 2022 18:13:38 GMT -5
Attendance has improved. Who do our posters think is buying the incremental tickets: (1) old fans from Worcester getting religion again, (2) fans, alums or locals, who attended one game a year now attending 2 or 3, (3) lapsed alums returning, (4) new fans who had never before gone to a game, (5) better student attendance? Of course it is some combination of the above and of other factors, but what do you think are the biggest contributors? Someone who liked to see Gordie play is on the average well over 70...Heck, Gordie is 57 or thereabouts. So that gives Gordie another ten years to get several pages of nominations the next time there is a vacancy at AD. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 13, 2022 18:46:30 GMT -5
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Post by jflare on Nov 13, 2022 19:10:05 GMT -5
Classic game of tale of 2 halves. We had opportunities to put this away but seemed to continually shoot ourselves in the foot offensively as well as breaking down defensively. Troubling lack of a pass rush is putting pressure on our secondary. As we've stated here, D injuries this year and graduation losses on the D-line have really hampered our D overall. Bryant overall was probably the best team we played after Buffalo, Yale, Harvard and Fordham. Beautiful day for a fan if a bit windy for the players. I actually wore shorts as did many others....made note of the fact that almost 50 years ago to the day was the "Syracuse 0 Degrees Game"....thank you climate change. On to our nation's capitol and await the playoff seedings. The “Syracuse 0 Degrees Game “ was 49 years ago. 11/10/73. Have to agree, it was the coldest HC football game 🥶I have attended. |
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Post by jflare on Nov 13, 2022 19:11:48 GMT -5
5-3 loss It was not only the cold that was painful that day Safety on a botched punt from our end zone Still hurts
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