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Dec 3, 2016 21:37:24 GMT -5
Post by rgs318 on Dec 3, 2016 21:37:24 GMT -5
There's something I don't like too - losing a game HC could have had in the bag. No one likes that the team had a scoreless 7 minutes. That is not a conspiracy. The explanation is fairly simple. After being down 7, HC came back to tie the game and lost it on one defensive lapse allowing a big 3 pt shot. Rebounding and poor FT shooting made the difference in this game. That is not exactly a puzzle or evidence of any conspiracy.
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UNH
Dec 3, 2016 21:38:55 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Dec 3, 2016 21:38:55 GMT -5
RGS Please do not quote him so that others who have blocked him have to read it. Thank you
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UNH
Dec 3, 2016 21:39:58 GMT -5
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Post by hc2489 on Dec 3, 2016 21:39:58 GMT -5
Also, not sure what makes this "break down" worse than the Monmouth one. I wouldn't characterize this as a break down but playing poorly down the stretch for a prolonged amount of time in the second half.
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Dec 3, 2016 21:41:32 GMT -5
Post by rgs318 on Dec 3, 2016 21:41:32 GMT -5
Hoops, You are welcome. I made an adjustment. Thank you for the reminder. 
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Dec 3, 2016 21:43:33 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Dec 3, 2016 21:43:33 GMT -5
For too many years now it's the same reason why we lose these games.... We don't have players who can consistently put the ball in the basket, plain and simple! Which we did last game out...and in fact some of the shots made were more difficult than the ones missed tonight....you're 100% more accurate than Mr. Conspiracy Theory.
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UNH
Dec 3, 2016 21:59:24 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Dec 3, 2016 21:59:24 GMT -5
Monmouth was less than a minute of bad basketball. This was 8 minutes of bad basketball. That's the difference. During that stretch we had two vets pulled, one for a particularly bad defensive lapse and one for chucking a particularly bad 3. Both should have been pulled. I just feel there's something deeper and I'm not blaming the coach.
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Post by hc2489 on Dec 3, 2016 22:08:00 GMT -5
you don't have to read that much into some things. playing like crap is playing like crap sometimes. there's no deeper,conspiratorial meaning
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UNH
Dec 3, 2016 22:11:52 GMT -5
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Post by bigfan on Dec 3, 2016 22:11:52 GMT -5
We have had this problem for the past five years, we have not recruited anyone who can consistently put the ball in the basket. What are these coaches looking at when they look for recruits, find players who can score, you can't win with just defense.
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Dec 3, 2016 22:12:24 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Dec 3, 2016 22:12:24 GMT -5
Not that we played well the whole time we were ahead, but we did lead for 33:34.
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Dec 3, 2016 22:14:23 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Dec 3, 2016 22:14:23 GMT -5
We are what we are...a middling low/mid-major team...there's no grand conspiracy
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Post by zambonihomie13 on Dec 3, 2016 22:33:14 GMT -5
We are what we are...a middling low/mid-major team...there's no grand conspiracy We will always be a mid-major team, that will never change. But at least, despite the headaches that plagued us today (FT's and layups), we are an improving mid-major team.
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UNH
Dec 3, 2016 22:35:36 GMT -5
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Post by unhfan on Dec 3, 2016 22:35:36 GMT -5
I'm not as familiar with the PL as all of you obviously but I would think the style you play every night in league play you'll be in the game especially when your threes are falling. I thought your big guy had a nice stroke and the Princeton offense makes it tough on opponents. I wouldn't be shocked to see you dancing again.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 4, 2016 8:17:08 GMT -5
I didn't see the game, so I can't comment on it specifically. I guess I'll be my boring self and choose to stay the course - I don't think we locked up a NCAA berth at Albany, and I doubt we hurt our chances last night.
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UNH
Dec 4, 2016 10:47:37 GMT -5
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Post by HC1843 on Dec 4, 2016 10:47:37 GMT -5
Monmouth was less than a minute of bad basketball. This was 8 minutes of bad basketball. That's the difference. During that stretch we had two vets pulled, one for a particularly bad defensive lapse and one for chucking a particularly bad 3. Both should have been pulled. I just feel there's something deeper and I'm not blaming the coach. This constant there is somthing deeper is beyond annoying. Next thing you will do is tell us we are shooting down our own passenger planes with missiles. Either say what you are thinking and put something behind it or please shut up. What do you think could be happening...just say it or zip your mouth. Happy holidays!
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Dec 4, 2016 10:50:40 GMT -5
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Post by HC1843 on Dec 4, 2016 10:50:40 GMT -5
We have had this problem for the past five years, we have not recruited anyone who can consistently put the ball in the basket. What are these coaches looking at when they look for recruits, find players who can score, you can't win with just defense. Our shooting was lights out first half and we mixed in some stuff in the paint. We got cold and kept heaving up threes where we should have gone inside more. We also missed at least five bunnies, and there is the game. We were in my opinion the better team, and played with great speed and overall good D. The problem was going to the well too often on the three. Cheers.
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Dec 4, 2016 11:19:42 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 4, 2016 11:19:42 GMT -5
I know this infuriates some posters but the randomness of "shots falling" can come into play. Clearly shots were not falling in the second half -- we were rimming out on layups that on another night might go in--the randomness hurt us last night but will help us another night. I am not making excuses for the loss. A player who shoots .444 on field goals does not do so by going 4-9 every game. Here's an example-going into the game Pat Benzan was an unreal 17-29 on two point attempts, a remarkable .586 shooting percentage. Last night he was also unreal on two point attempts in that he went 1-7. He did not just forget how to play basketball. He is probably not as good as the .586 in the first 7 games and he certainly is not as bad as the 1-7 last night. If we played UNH again I believe we would win. There may be some sloppiness involved in the "blown bunnies" but there's some luck (bad) involved as well. This is just one non-expert's opinion. I think our team is vastly improved over last season (how greatly improved are Pat Benzan and Matt Husek, for example) and although we'll certainly lose some games we should have won (like last night) we'll also steal some wins that seemed improbable. Last night's loss, in my opinion, was nothing like the Monmouth debacle.
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Dec 4, 2016 11:21:37 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Dec 4, 2016 11:21:37 GMT -5
Don't discount fatigue as a factor too. Ziggy played 9 minutes, Floyd 3. Four guys played between 27 and 31 minutes...Champion 36, Malachi 37.
Hopefully one or two more guys will be ready to give them 5-10 minutes a game by the time league play starts.
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Dec 4, 2016 11:35:34 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Dec 4, 2016 11:35:34 GMT -5
Re: Benzan. How many of the 1-7 were layups on back doors that were blocked? Not exactly bunnies because the kid's too darned short.
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Dec 4, 2016 11:38:41 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 4, 2016 11:38:41 GMT -5
Re: Benzan. How many of the 1-7 were layups on back doors that were blocked? Not exactly bunnies because the kid's too darned short. Good question--it would be instructive to see a compilation to see just what caused the misses. PB is the same height he was in the previous seven games, but I suppose UNH could have defended HC and him differently than did other teams.
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Dec 4, 2016 11:38:42 GMT -5
Post by HC1843 on Dec 4, 2016 11:38:42 GMT -5
Re: Benzan. How many of the 1-7 were layups on back doors that were blocked? Not exactly bunnies because the kid's too darned short. Husek and Malachi missed several bunnies. Not just Benzan.
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Dec 4, 2016 11:41:18 GMT -5
Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 4, 2016 11:41:18 GMT -5
Don't discount fatigue as a factor too. Ziggy played 9 minutes, Floyd 3. Four guys played between 27 and 31 minutes...Champion 36, Malachi 37. Hopefully one or two more guys will be ready to give them 5-10 minutes a game by the time league play starts. More troubling still, virtually all of the limited MZ/JF minutes have been in the first half. Over the last five games, they have combined for a total of 12 2nd half minutes - only one for Floyd.
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Dec 4, 2016 11:56:57 GMT -5
Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 4, 2016 11:56:57 GMT -5
On the other hand, American rarely went deeper than six during the second half of conference play during the 2014-15 season - and made it to the conference tournament final, a game in which the starters played all but one minute.
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Dec 4, 2016 12:00:10 GMT -5
Post by possum on Dec 4, 2016 12:00:10 GMT -5
It appears Floyd is getting less playing time as the season progresses, maybe MZ's minutes will increase some as he seems to be playing better. I think its becoming clear that 6 players are going to play 90% of the minutes. You develop players/bench in the OOC schedule so I don't think we're going to see players we haven't see yet get minutes once league play starts. This strategy is certainly dangerous in terms of fatigue and potential injuries. I know Hoops pointed out that Duke played only 6 men in a game earlier this week but I don't think that's by design as Duke's top 3 freshmen are currently injured. I think Carmody feels this team can do some good things this year and is going to push the veteran players to the limit and then try to develop this year and next years freshmen together in what most certainly be a rebuilding year in 17-18.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 4, 2016 12:10:44 GMT -5
MZ has not attempted a three since the UMass game, but he's made some nice cuts to get free for 4-7 on twos in 40 minutes of play in those 5 games. I'd like to see what he could do in an extended time on court--and would also appreciate any input on how well he's been playing defense.
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Dec 4, 2016 12:25:08 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Dec 4, 2016 12:25:08 GMT -5
Re: Benzan. How many of the 1-7 were layups on back doors that were blocked? Not exactly bunnies because the kid's too darned short. Husek and Malachi missed several bunnies. Not just Benzan. By no means was I implying that. remember KC missing at least one too. But in the second half I don't remember PB shooting the ball very much, just the back door cuts.
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