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Harvard
Nov 30, 2022 21:25:37 GMT -5
Post by mm67 on Nov 30, 2022 21:25:37 GMT -5
Don't buy the DivIII references. HS teams, DivIII teams can play good basketball at their level. Boxing out, rebounding, nifty passing, playing "D," playing with effort, etc occur at every level. Players are regressing. HC is a lousy team at any level of competition. A change needs to be made.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 30, 2022 21:28:06 GMT -5
Where was Wilbar ? Lose by so much, and Rabs and Lewis play 3 minutes each ?
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Post by Ray on Nov 30, 2022 21:38:00 GMT -5
Clearly got a lot of benefit out of the Colby-Sawyer game.
Everything about this program is a dumpster fire. We're going to have to give our next coach an 8-year contract just to clean up this mess, before he can even get back to the point of starting from scratch.
And Gates graduates this year. Tonight was a preview of next year's team. Horrifying.
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Post by jaredcurry on Nov 30, 2022 21:40:28 GMT -5
Kit.....I'm begging you. Please. Tell Nelson you need to meet with him in the morning. Then make the change NOW. Agreed, but then what? I don’t think the Alumni or remaining fans understand how awful this situation is. We are now, legitimately, the worst program in the country, where it will be INCREDIBLY difficult to get the coach needed to reverse this disaster. If HC is open to offering a 7 figure salary with a minimum 5 year commitment then and only then, will they have a chance of being relevant again. This has gone on far too long, a whole generation if you will. We are a laughing stalk, and even worse known as a “basketball cemetery”. Drastic measures are needed, moves that I truly believe Holy Cross will not support or even listen too. I won’t even begin to discuss getting the right talent, let’s just say the chances of a 7 foot transfer from Rutgers coming to the Hill, will NEVER HAPPEN. This way Beyond Nelson…
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Post by Ray on Nov 30, 2022 21:42:36 GMT -5
And despite getting your doors blown off, only 6 guys got more than token playing time? We weren't at the point where giving Austin Lewis the entire second half wasn't worth considering?
WHAT YOU'RE DOING ISN'T WORKING, BRETT! TRY SOMETHING ELSE!
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Post by hc87 on Nov 30, 2022 21:43:34 GMT -5
He has absolutely no idea what he's doing.....game-day wise, recruiting-wise, establishing a program/philosophy-wise....it's total "deer in the headlights" right now.
I'm sure he's a decent person but his hire was a total misfire from Day 1....he's just a very "poor fit" at HC....played high major hoop at a big state school in the South, has no real ties to the type of school he is coaching at etc.....just a complete fish out of water in this milieu.
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Harvard
Nov 30, 2022 21:46:32 GMT -5
Post by newfieguy74 on Nov 30, 2022 21:46:32 GMT -5
Is Kit really going to make everyone hold their noses for another 25 games?
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Harvard
Nov 30, 2022 21:51:27 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Nov 30, 2022 21:51:27 GMT -5
Is Kit really going to make everyone hold their noses for another 25 games? Hopefully no longer than that.
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Harvard
Nov 30, 2022 21:52:47 GMT -5
Post by Crosser on Nov 30, 2022 21:52:47 GMT -5
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Post by jaredcurry on Nov 30, 2022 21:55:10 GMT -5
Class act?? What the F are we talking about?!?!? “That’s on me also”…ya, no #@*&$~!!!! Get the F away from my school guy…god that pissed me off.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 30, 2022 21:56:40 GMT -5
Jacob Van Ryan (the interviewer) is a clown....coached against him when he was an assistant at Mansfield HS....giving Nelson every out he can there....embarrassing.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 30, 2022 21:57:31 GMT -5
Is Kit really going to make everyone hold their noses for another 25 games? Hopefully no longer than that. Probably takes place by Christmas break
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Post by Ray on Nov 30, 2022 22:00:26 GMT -5
"We missed a couple of bunnies". Yeah, that's the biggest problem right now. What planet is this guy on?
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Harvard
Nov 30, 2022 22:00:49 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 30, 2022 22:00:49 GMT -5
JVR is a pretty tough listen as the color guy.
You’d think we’re on the verge of turning the corner with all of the talent that’s apparently in the program, according to him.
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Harvard
Nov 30, 2022 22:02:49 GMT -5
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Post by jaredcurry on Nov 30, 2022 22:02:49 GMT -5
“My kids are not mature, they need to grow up, and I can’t find anyone that’s competitive.” Ya, real class act.
19-69
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Post by efg72 on Nov 30, 2022 22:05:47 GMT -5
Kit.....I'm begging you. Please. Tell Nelson you need to meet with him in the morning. Then make the change NOW. Agreed, but then what? I don’t think the Alumni or remaining fans understand how awful this situation is. We are now, legitimately, the worst program in the country, where it will be INCREDIBLY difficult to get the coach needed to reverse this disaster. If HC is open to offering a 7 figure salary with a minimum 5 year commitment then and only then, will they have a chance of being relevant again. This has gone on far too long, a whole generation if you will. We are a laughing stalk, and even worse known as a “basketball cemetery”. Drastic measures are needed, moves that I truly believe Holy Cross will not support or even listen too. I won’t even begin to discuss getting the right talent, let’s just say the chances of a 7 foot transfer from Rutgers coming to the Hill, will NEVER HAPPEN. This way Beyond Nelson… I think the salary range -2 x plus current salary - is possible for the right coach, as long as the salary for Chesney is adjusted as well I agree this goes beyond Nelson and unless major changes are made, money might not be enough.
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Harvard
Nov 30, 2022 22:06:53 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Nov 30, 2022 22:06:53 GMT -5
It didn't start too bad. They played pretty good D at the beginning. Had some good looks, but couldn't put the ball in the ocean. Then the turnover parade.
I did see something new in the second half. The team might not have quit, but heads were not in the Hart Center to start the second half. Coach Nelson responded by yanking every starter but Dorsey and brought in Rabinovich, Lewis, and Tse (with Octave).It wasn't pretty and didn't last long. At least when the core 6 came back they were a little more focused. Still outplayed but at least a little more focused
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Harvard
Nov 30, 2022 22:06:55 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 30, 2022 22:06:55 GMT -5
KenPom had us at #338 going into this game. Let’s see how far we fall after this debacle tonight
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 30, 2022 22:09:57 GMT -5
Jared, you’re too kind with that record.
He’s 15-67 against D1 opponents.
1-27 against non-PL D1 opponents.
On the surface, sure seems like he takes zero accountability for this disaster.
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Harvard
Nov 30, 2022 22:10:14 GMT -5
Post by Ray on Nov 30, 2022 22:10:14 GMT -5
KenPom had us at #338 going into this game. Let’s see how far we fall after this debacle tonight 348 now.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 30, 2022 22:13:36 GMT -5
I recommend calling John Gallagher tmro - just resigned from Hartford after the school broke some promises on how they would transition out of D1 - as opposed to Nelson, he has the background and a track record at a place with a lot less in terms of facilities and history than HC - he’s living in the Hartford area For those of you who want a 7 figure coaching budget I’m afraid you’re confusing high major with low major - keep looking for another John Luth
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Harvard
Nov 30, 2022 22:14:49 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Nov 30, 2022 22:14:49 GMT -5
“My kids are not mature, they need to grow up, and I can’t find anyone that’s competitive.” Ya, real class act. 19-69 I've tried to keep this "non-personal" and give Nelson the benefit of the doubt that he just isn;t a good fit at HC but he doesn't make it easy with statements likes that. I'm sure he's frustrated, who wouldn't be? But he really needs to get Jesuitical and embrace the concept of "know thyself." He just isn't at the right place for himself or the school who is currently coaching.
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Harvard
Nov 30, 2022 22:16:00 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Nov 30, 2022 22:16:00 GMT -5
Pomeroy lists the non D1 games, but does not count them in his rankings.
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Harvard
Nov 30, 2022 22:16:14 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 30, 2022 22:16:14 GMT -5
Brett Nelson must be crying himself to sleep each night, realizing, after great success as a player and being an assistant at a successful program, that “I don’t have what it takes to be a head basketball coach”. He’s still young- where does he go from here?
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Harvard
Nov 30, 2022 22:17:59 GMT -5
Post by crusader1970 on Nov 30, 2022 22:17:59 GMT -5
It didn't start too bad. They played pretty good D at the beginning. Had some good looks, but couldn't put the ball in the ocean. Then the turnover parade. I did see something new in the second half. The team might not have quit, but heads were not in the Hart Center to start the second half. Coach Nelson responded by yanking every starter but Dorsey and brought in Rabinovich, Lewis, and Tse (with Octave).It wasn't pretty and didn't last long. At least when the core 6 came back they were a little more focused. Still outplayed but at least a little more focused The first 6 players are sub par as a group for Div I basketball.
We got our first better look at the 7 though 11 group tonight. OMG. Tough to watch.
Mix that talent with a coach who has absolutely no freakin' idea what he is doing and you have tonight's result.
It will be a long fix for sure.
But it STARTS with getting a new head coach ASAP.
This program is totally out of control and a total embarrassment to the college.
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