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Post by hchoops on Nov 30, 2022 22:18:15 GMT -5
Hopefully no longer than that. Probably takes place by Christmas break Hope your optimism is warranted, but I am skeptical.
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Post by Ray on Nov 30, 2022 22:18:31 GMT -5
I recommend calling John Gallagher tmro - just resigned from Hartford after the school broke some promises on how they would transition out of D1 - as opposed to Nelson, he has the background and a track record at a place with a lot less in terms of facilities and history than HC - he’s living in the Hartford area For those of you who want a 7 figure coaching budget I’m afraid you’re confusing high major with low major - keep looking for another John Luth No, the only way to make this worse is to rush a new hire. We need to take our time and find the right guy for the long term rather than rushing into something. Unless you're suggesting Gallagher as only an interim, which would be weird. Just give the whistle to RJ.
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Post by crusader1970 on Nov 30, 2022 22:22:03 GMT -5
Brett Nelson must be crying himself to sleep each night, realizing, after great success as a player and being an assistant at a successful program, that “I don’t have what it takes to be a head basketball coach”. He’s still young- where does he go from here? Frankly, I don't believe that.
His attitude is "I'm coaching great but they are playing awful."
He has destroyed a once proud program.
Just get OUT.
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Post by sader81 on Nov 30, 2022 22:26:52 GMT -5
They did play good D the first five minutes, and I thought the kids played hard for most of the first half. Couldn’t shoot at all, however. Otherwise, it’s a disaster. The team is not getting better. Pull the plug now. Appoint an interim coach and try to salvage the PL portion of the schedule. Go find the best available- someone who understands the culture at HC and knows how to win in low/mid major basketball.
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Nov 30, 2022 22:32:34 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Nov 30, 2022 22:32:34 GMT -5
Sad that some of the recruited upperclassmen can't get playing time.... Sad that said upperclassmen are that bad; or at least in the eyes of the coaching staff are that bad. No other reason to not play them.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 30, 2022 22:33:58 GMT -5
Turned off. Watching an NCIS rerun Jason Tatum outscored us.
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Post by gks on Nov 30, 2022 22:36:59 GMT -5
Brett Nelson must be crying himself to sleep each night, realizing, after great success as a player and being an assistant at a successful program, that “I don’t have what it takes to be a head basketball coach”. He’s still young- where does he go from here? Frankly, I don't believe that.
His attitude is "I'm coaching great but they are playing awful."
He has destroyed a once proud program.
Just get OUT.
The College of the Holy Cross destroyed a once proud program. Brett Nelson is just a brick in the wall.
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Nov 30, 2022 22:37:04 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 30, 2022 22:37:04 GMT -5
Brett Nelson must be crying himself to sleep each night, realizing, after great success as a player and being an assistant at a successful program, that “I don’t have what it takes to be a head basketball coach”. He’s still young- where does he go from here? One possibility is to get right back on the horse as a head coach at a low D-3 school that plays a low D-3 schedule if he wants another chance to prove himself as a head coach and can secure a position. An assistant position leaves little he can control and no chance to prove he actually has been learning from mistakes and can actually be a winning head coach. I wish him well whatever he trys next and HC never offers on the job training (with nobody to do the training) to another career assistant again unless it's someone on a winning Holy Cross staff following a winning Holy Cross head coach. After Duffner Holy Cross went outside of his staff to hire a Notre Dame Assistant, then to prove George Santayana was correct, hired a Notre Dame Assistant to replace Willard. Stranger than fiction. They think they are getting Knute Rockne and Charlie Weis shows up.
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Nov 30, 2022 22:37:31 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Nov 30, 2022 22:37:31 GMT -5
Battled the rain and high winds to get up for this game. I could and should have stayed closer to home and cheer on the ladies at Brown. Someone posted attendance was over 1,000 (?!). I think DiMarz said 300 and that's more like it. Missed NAD though he wouldn't have had too many chances for the "You, You, You . . . . on You!" The game started with some promise and neither team could get a basket. Offenses were both pathetic. But, we knew Harvard would find the range and the Crusaders wouldn't. This game went down hill is a hurry. The turnovers were mostly inexcusable with lazy passes. One of our biggest problems is no one, no one, can shoot an open 3 with any consistency. Batch can be streaky but too often the streaks are misses. Louth looked decent especially considering he didn't have Gates in there with him. Just before the game began, Tom told me Gates was MIA but we didn't know why. I suggested that he look closely at the Harvard bench as perhaps he used the transfer portal after the last game and transferred to the Crimson. Nelson is a poor coach and arguably the worst coach in Holy Cross basketball history. He can't recruit; he can't game coach; he's an extraordinarily poor PR guy (with fans, alums, etc.). I don't want to hear that these players are better than what he inherited from Carmody - they flat out aren't. Very, very rare when I leave a game before it's over. I did tonight. And as I was exiting the building I ran into another poster who shall remain nameless unless he wants to ID himself. We were in agreement Nelson should part company with HC forthwith. Our fellow poster suggested that Nelson thinks he's got players on a Marquette level, which of course he doesn't. I'm not sure the talent is there to have any coach make this team a winner but I'm 100% positive that Nelson can't do it. I've also noticed a number of long-time season ticket holders have not been to any of the games. Not sure if they non-renewed their tickets or simply got them and decided "why go to the game" and their ticket costs are considered donations to the College. I was able to determine that my "lucky 1970 Reunion cap" apparently only works for football and ladies soccer.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 30, 2022 22:38:29 GMT -5
Some quick thoughts if the decision is made in the next three weeks
Give the whistle to RJ
Pull together a group of seven to ten former players and coaches to address the top five issues with the program that must be fixed for the new coach and players to be successful
Get them in place immediately or as soon as possible to attract the right coach
Work with the President, AD, and the Athletic Subgroup of the board to inform and gain support and investment for changes
Be strategic and surgical in hiring the next coach
Build a top OOC schedule that will excite players and fans
Sell these changes to the Holy Cross Community and all of Worcester
Trip to Europe after summer classes-year one if possible but no later than year two
Other items?
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Post by HC92 on Nov 30, 2022 22:38:51 GMT -5
I recommend calling John Gallagher tmro - just resigned from Hartford after the school broke some promises on how they would transition out of D1 - as opposed to Nelson, he has the background and a track record at a place with a lot less in terms of facilities and history than HC - he’s living in the Hartford area For those of you who want a 7 figure coaching budget I’m afraid you’re confusing high major with low major - keep looking for another John Luth Career record of 169–207 (.449). Never finished higher than third in AE in 13 seasons and only finished that high three times. One AE tourney title. Pass.
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Nov 30, 2022 22:43:04 GMT -5
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Post by saderfan1998 on Nov 30, 2022 22:43:04 GMT -5
Didn’t watch the game but checked the box score and just scrolled through this thread. I guess I’m happy that I didn’t witness it, but when you have lost the Crossports die hards, it is over, which doesn’t feel great. Time for Kit to stop the fight.
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Nov 30, 2022 22:45:30 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 30, 2022 22:45:30 GMT -5
John Gallagher would be a great associate head coach. In fact, it’s a shame Nelson didn’t hire him when he was looking for a new assistant prior to the season beginning…although, I think Gallagher was still the coach at Hartford at that point.
Has to be pretty awkward for Nelson walking around the Hart Center. He’s embarrassing himself with each passing game.
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Nov 30, 2022 22:45:39 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 30, 2022 22:45:39 GMT -5
Gallagher may not have thought out his departure. He would have served himself better in the eyes of future employers to be a good soldier and quit at the end of a season.
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Nov 30, 2022 22:46:31 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 30, 2022 22:46:31 GMT -5
This is the culmination of 14 years of program neglect between a series of incompetent AD’s and poor coaching hires.
Over the course of this 14 year period of time we had chances to hire Ralph Willard, Mark Daigneault, and Kevin Willard. Just sickening.
This program is a disaster.
I’m afraid our only hope is catching lightning in a bottle after turning things over to RJ Evans for the rest of this year and/or bringing in Tom Crean (or Beilein, although that seems very unreleastic) who would essentially be as close to RW as we could ever imagine getting — successful, experienced coach who knows X’s & O’s and whois very hungry to avenge getting fired from his last job. Guys like John Gallagher or SOV’s guy from Skidmore are not going to turn around this mess.
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Nov 30, 2022 22:50:07 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Nov 30, 2022 22:50:07 GMT -5
My powers of observation are deteriorating but someone pointed out to me that Kit Hughes was in the Hart and was talking to some people but this same person said, "did you notice when the game resumed, he left?" I didn't notice but suggested maybe he was simply trying to hit up some deep pocket folks for a Nelson buyout. If Kit isn't already aware of the men's basketball program being the Titanic of Holy Cross athletics, then he's deaf, dumb and blind and he should go before Brett. I don't think that's the case but still believe that he won't pull the trigger until the end of the season and hopefully is already trolling for the next head coach and the finances to make it all happen.
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Nov 30, 2022 22:50:10 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 30, 2022 22:50:10 GMT -5
Caro, have you officially waived the white flag?
Can we get a mea culpa?
It’s okay to admit you were wrong. It’ll feel better.
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Nov 30, 2022 22:51:30 GMT -5
Post by efg72 on Nov 30, 2022 22:51:30 GMT -5
The neglect is the biggest issue we face and those issues must be solved asap for the program to have a realistic shot for success.
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Nov 30, 2022 22:52:04 GMT -5
Post by mm67 on Nov 30, 2022 22:52:04 GMT -5
This disaster will have many collateral casualties. Sadly, the assistants made a career mistake by joining Brett Nelson's staff. Obviously, a program does not hire from within a losing team. Assistants may have a tough time finding another job in college basketball. Selling insurance looms for some. Doubt if many players would return to a Nelson coached team. Expect Batchelder to transfer out. As of necessity there will be a thorough house cleaning. It is a very sad bordering on tragic situation. (Of course it's basketball not the war in Ukraine but still...)
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Nov 30, 2022 22:55:23 GMT -5
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Post by saderfan1998 on Nov 30, 2022 22:55:23 GMT -5
This disaster will have many collateral casualties. Sadly, the assistants made a career mistake by joining Brett Nelson's staff. Obviously, a program does not hire from within a losing team. Assistants may have a tough time finding another job in college basketball. Selling insurance looms for some. Doubt if many players would return to a Nelson coached team. Expect Batchelder to transfer out. As of necessity there will be a thorough house cleaning. It is a very sad bordering on tragic situation. (Of course it's basketball not the war in Ukraine but still...) A purge wouldn’t make HC less than worst D1 team.
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Nov 30, 2022 22:57:09 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 30, 2022 22:57:09 GMT -5
Caro, have you officially waived the white flag? Can we get a mea culpa? It’s okay to admit you were wrong. It’ll feel better. For what? Saying that Nelson deserved a chance to coach in Year 4 after inheriting a program in shambles and then facing a global pandemic beginning in his first year? I still stand by that. Nelson figuring things out this year was our best chance for success in the near term. Another coaching change is just going to cause more losing and more pain. Nelson clearly hasn’t figured it out and playing out the string any longer is pointless, especially with an alum like RJ on the staff.
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Nov 30, 2022 22:57:52 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 30, 2022 22:57:52 GMT -5
Skidmore?
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 30, 2022 22:58:09 GMT -5
This disaster will have many collateral casualties. Sadly, the assistants made a career mistake by joining Brett Nelson's staff. Obviously, a program does not hire from within a losing team. Assistants may have a tough time finding another job in college basketball. Selling insurance looms for some. Doubt if many players would return to a Nelson coached team. Expect Batchelder to transfer out. As of necessity there will be a thorough house cleaning. It is a very sad bordering on tragic situation. (Of course it's basketball not the war in Ukraine but still...) Batch we hardly knew ye.
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Nov 30, 2022 22:59:31 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 30, 2022 22:59:31 GMT -5
It’s his shtick. Just trying to belittle Landry K.
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Nov 30, 2022 23:02:17 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 30, 2022 23:02:17 GMT -5
It’s his shtick. Just trying to belittle Landry K. I figured as much—super clever to be sure
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