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Post by longsuffering on Dec 10, 2022 17:41:42 GMT -5
You can leave the attitude at home. As I’ve already explained, a change of possession stops the clock. This is something you are missing. It was 4th and 8 for SDSU with :45 remaining. Kneeling the ball takes off a few seconds and gives HC the ball back. Not game over. If Chesney wanted to end the game at 35-21, SDSU would have gladly taken that. He didn’t need to use consecutive timeouts. 4th and 8 on the 21 run the ball first down No change of possession take a knee Game over 39 seconds left Don't need a rules explanation on change of possession I don't consider this a measure of the personal character and integrity of a head coach. It's more a matter of coaching philosophy and the two great head coaches in this game share the same philosophy based on examples mentioned.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 10, 2022 17:46:30 GMT -5
4th and 8 on the 21 run the ball first down No change of possession take a knee Game over 39 seconds left Don't need a rules explanation on change of possession And so they run the ball and get stuffed right into the line because we know they’re running. No first down. HC ball. Maybe go rewatch the sequence if you need help. Bananaland that this has become such a complicated topic. If HC got the ball back with 40 seconds left down by 2 scores there’s a chance they win (very slim, but still a chance — this is the team with 2 completed Hail Mary’s in the last 12 months). If SDSU scores or gets a first down, HC has no chance of winning. Farmer Stid’s job is to win the game, and that’s what he did. END.
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Post by jackedforlife on Dec 10, 2022 17:50:41 GMT -5
If your biggest issue as a FB fan is another team scoring a TD up 2 scores on a 4th and short find another sport to root for. From my guess at least 1/3 of HC fans have no problems with it.
And the clock wouldn’t have run out. The clock stops on the change of possession. Understand the rules.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 10, 2022 17:53:47 GMT -5
If I remember correctly back in the 80s Harvard was down by 20??? and scored 3 touchdowns in the last two minutes to win. Now I don't like what the coach did and 39 seconds is not two minutes, but perhaps some rationale behind the call- it just felt like they were rubbing it in when this game was over
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Post by joutsHC77 on Dec 10, 2022 17:54:32 GMT -5
Game is over, prepare for BC and Army.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 10, 2022 17:55:27 GMT -5
The last times HC proposed a home and home to Delaware and W&M, which party do you think said no? No issues with UNH, they have been great, but I doubt the other two have been willing to schedule us to a home and home series. Maybe now we will have better luck. I love those games (home/home) including UNH, Richmond, and Villanova Schedule two or three of those schools each year with a contract we play each six times over a ten to fifteen year period. I would also think of adding any one the top four seeds from this year into the mix for a conversation when it comes to scheduling- Plus one (two FBS in 12 game seasons)- we might be able to convince BC to play every year again if they have another horrible year or two-- perhaps at Fenway PL with six games HYPD - one each year My only argument for us to stay in the PL is built on that type of scheduling✝️✝️🏈🏈😎 An interesting twist is programs like Bryant, Merrimack and Sacred Heart who don't have the current cachet of the CAA teams you mention, have the potential to move up the FCS rankings quickly as they don't have the rule restrictions of the PL., can academically admit a broader Cross section of applicants than a Villanova or perhaps W&M and can take grad transfers.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 10, 2022 17:56:10 GMT -5
Btw for those who watched BC and Army this year the team we played today is significantly better and so are we.
The NE mafia is not worthy of being on our schedule, most are run by disciples of some basketball coaches discussed on the board
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Post by classof83 on Dec 10, 2022 17:57:40 GMT -5
South Dakota State post-game
HC post-game
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 10, 2022 18:01:20 GMT -5
I don’t think it was so much as rubbing it in as, “we’re the #1 team and we want the score to reflect that.” The game was too close for too long against a Patriot League team - a PATRIOT LEAGUE team!!!
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 10, 2022 18:07:11 GMT -5
I think to sustain this success, perhaps above all else, we need to recruit bigger and badder in the trenches. That is where SDSU won the game in the 4th quarter IMO. From a skill position standpoint I don’t think any neutral observer would have said SDSU had different level pedigree athletes outside or in the backfield. They looked evenly matched to me. If Sluka can learn how to throw accurately on the run … holy moly, can you imagine? IMO, I don’t think we really got pushed around much at all today, especially given the reputation of SDSU. Power football between the tackles is not our path to success against these Top 10 teams, and it’s probably unrealistic to be bigger/stronger than we are right now. If we could have gotten up two scores and played from ahead, not allowing them to just comfortably rely on their run game, it’s a different ball game. The only thing we really needed today was a kicker. Thee serparare chances to make game-changing plays: put the onside kick in play, make the long FG before half, make the 2nd half FG. Kicker was 0-3.
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Post by breezy on Dec 10, 2022 18:09:01 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Dec 10, 2022 18:15:40 GMT -5
I don’t think it was so much as rubbing it in as, “we’re the #1 team and we want the score to reflect that.” Those two sound pretty much the same to me.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Dec 10, 2022 18:22:40 GMT -5
I think to sustain this success, perhaps above all else, we need to recruit bigger and badder in the trenches. That is where SDSU won the game in the 4th quarter IMO. From a skill position standpoint I don’t think any neutral observer would have said SDSU had different level pedigree athletes outside or in the backfield. They looked evenly matched to me. If Sluka can learn how to throw accurately on the run … holy moly, can you imagine? IMO, I don’t think we really got pushed around much at all today, especially given the reputation of SDSU. Power football between the tackles is not our path to success against these Top 10 teams, and it’s probably unrealistic to be bigger/stronger than we are right now. If we could have gotten up two scores and played from ahead, not allowing them to just comfortably rely on their run game, it’s a different ball game. The only thing we really needed today was a kicker. Thee serparare chances to make game-changing plays: put the onside kick in play, make the long FG before half, make the 2nd half FG. Kicker was 0-3. After our first TD, we had momentum but lost it briefly with the failed onside kick. Ng missed his last 5 FGs.
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Post by classof83 on Dec 10, 2022 18:23:12 GMT -5
We all knew we needed to play a mistake free game and we didn't do that today. The pick six before the half was a killer.
SD State's RB Davis also hurt us - it would have been interesting if Dobbs was able to play if he would have been as successful.
I thought HC's OL and DL certainly held their own.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 10, 2022 18:32:43 GMT -5
I don’t think it was so much as rubbing it in as, “we’re the #1 team and we want the score to reflect that.” Those two sound pretty much the same to me. A subtle difference more in the coaches head. The former is a coach thinking we are superior to you and we are going to humiliate you. The latter is, what are others going to think of us if we can't win by a greater margin? I think the SDSU coach, especially after listening to his press conference comments, was the latter as he had pretty high praise for HC (i.e. Sluka; beating Buffalo; his respect for Coach Chesney; etc.). I detected no animosity or superior attitude in his words or tone.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 10, 2022 18:34:38 GMT -5
If your biggest issue as a FB fan is another team scoring a TD up 2 scores on a 4th and short find another sport to root for. From my guess at least 1/3 of HC fans have no problems with it. And the clock wouldn’t have run out. The clock stops on the change of possession. Understand the rules. Exactly, I know some might be a little upset that the last TD made the score look bad in relation to how close the game was. And some may have had Holy Cross ATS and lost $ on that play. But there were two options for Coach Stig, neither of which were to "take a knee" due to clock stopping on change of possession: a) attempt a relatively easy FG to go up 38-21, making it a three-score game, but risk a block and return by what many would consider a great special teams unit. b) run the play that gives you the best chance of a first down. Stig chose B, and the play resulted in six points. In the end, it was the closest 42-21 game most of us have ever seen. Congrats Jackrabbits on a great win. And FWIW if Janke gets tackled at the 1 on the scoring play, I'm 100% sure SDSU takes a knee rather than going for the score.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 10, 2022 18:38:18 GMT -5
Game. Is. Over. Move. On.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Dec 10, 2022 18:43:08 GMT -5
Game is over, prepare for BC and Army.
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Post by trimster on Dec 10, 2022 19:14:18 GMT -5
I think to sustain this success, perhaps above all else, we need to recruit bigger and badder in the trenches. That is where SDSU won the game in the 4th quarter IMO. From a skill position standpoint I don’t think any neutral observer would have said SDSU had different level pedigree athletes outside or in the backfield. They looked evenly matched to me. If Sluka can learn how to throw accurately on the run … holy moly, can you imagine? IMO, I don’t think we really got pushed around much at all today, especially given the reputation of SDSU. Power football between the tackles is not our path to success against these Top 10 teams, and it’s probably unrealistic to be bigger/stronger than we are right now. If we could have gotten up two scores and played from ahead, not allowing them to just comfortably rely on their run game, it’s a different ball game. The only thing we really needed today was a kicker. Thee serparare chances to make game-changing plays: put the onside kick in play, make the long FG before half, make the 2nd half FG. Kicker was 0-3. I think you are being overly critical of Ng. He made a lot of big kicks for HC over the years. His 35 yd extra point against Fordham was truly clutch. Miss that, no OT, no Assante two point conversion and possibly no playoffs.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 10, 2022 19:37:54 GMT -5
As I posted earlier, there is no way Ng isn’t hurt. He had a great career. Wish him well in whatever is next for him.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 10, 2022 19:38:03 GMT -5
SDSU was not that much bettah than us at any position....maybe deepah overall....we are right there....we can continue to be the "Notre Dame of FCS football" if we can continue to recruit well, be successful on the field etc
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 10, 2022 19:40:00 GMT -5
IMO, I don’t think we really got pushed around much at all today, especially given the reputation of SDSU. Power football between the tackles is not our path to success against these Top 10 teams, and it’s probably unrealistic to be bigger/stronger than we are right now. If we could have gotten up two scores and played from ahead, not allowing them to just comfortably rely on their run game, it’s a different ball game. The only thing we really needed today was a kicker. Thee serparare chances to make game-changing plays: put the onside kick in play, make the long FG before half, make the 2nd half FG. Kicker was 0-3. I think you are being overly critical of Ng. He made a lot of big kicks for HC over the years. His 35 yd extra point against Fordham was truly clutch. Miss that, no OT, no Assante two point conversion and possibly no playoffs. Sorrey, but he was 13-22 on FGs this year after trying leave HC in the dust through the Transfer Portal last year and then completely whiffing today just doesn’t sit well with me. (He also missed a kick before half in the Fordham game when HC was down 3.)
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Post by hc87 on Dec 10, 2022 19:45:17 GMT -5
I think you are being overly critical of Ng. He made a lot of big kicks for HC over the years. His 35 yd extra point against Fordham was truly clutch. Miss that, no OT, no Assante two point conversion and possibly no playoffs. Sorrey, but he was 13-22 on FGs this year after trying leave HC in the dust through the Transfer Portal last year and then completely whiffing today just doesn’t sit well with me. Bring back my roommate Billy Young!
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 10, 2022 19:55:40 GMT -5
SDSU was not that much bettah than us at any position....maybe deepah overall....we are right there....we can continue to be the "Notre Dame of FCS football" if we can continue to recruit well, be successful on the field etc I like the sound of that.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 10, 2022 20:03:08 GMT -5
1- Attendance: 6549 Jacked, Disappointing ? 2- Sluka- 26 carries for 213 yds. vs. the best run D in FCS Most rushing yds in a game by a QB in HC history 3- Pete O.- 1017 rushing yards for the season Career-# 3 in HC history with 2655
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