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Post by sader1970 on Dec 11, 2022 10:10:44 GMT -5
I think I got lost on the turn somewhere. Why is Bucknell discussed in the same sentence as GU? Bucknell has football scholarships, right? GU doesn't.
If GU had football scholarships, would they not be on the same level playing field, other than a stricter AI?
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Post by efg72 on Dec 11, 2022 10:16:14 GMT -5
Mm67 accepting your preference as the approach embraced by the BOT and the leadership, there are still things that can be done to improve our current goals to grow and develop the mind, body, and soul that can offer others half a loaf and not corrupt the academic values of our great institution.
A handful of opinions and many possible solutions
As always I appreciate your thoughtful approach and response.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 11, 2022 10:18:23 GMT -5
What is it, exactly, that's holding Bucknell back? Pretty common knowledge that Georgetown's got serious constraints.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Dec 11, 2022 10:22:21 GMT -5
Holy Cross has a 38% acceptance rate. Get over it. For now. PVR has a vision for something better.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 11, 2022 10:28:13 GMT -5
His vision for the future is great.
I believe he might view our targeted academic peer group in a far different way than he looks at our athletic peer group. Which suggests to me he is taking a holistic approach to the Holy Cross educational experience. It is a place where students and student athletes can have it all.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 11, 2022 10:28:14 GMT -5
DFW Tremendous respect for both schools. Both do provide athletic scholarships. (G-Town does not provide football scholarships as it does in basketball - a financial decision & not philosophical.) Both schools could compete in PL football as it's presently constituted, no? Peace.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 11, 2022 10:31:17 GMT -5
Mm67 accepting your preference as the approach embraced by the BOT and the leadership, there are still things that can be done to improve our current goals to grow and develop the mind, body, and soul that can offer others half a loaf and not corrupt the academic values of our great institution. A handful of opinions and many possible solutions As always I appreciate your thoughtful approach and response. And, I admire your love for HC. Your thoughtful comments are stimulating. Look forward to reading more. Peace.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 11, 2022 10:38:54 GMT -5
Yesterday was probably the most attention Holy Cross as an institution has received (atheletically or academically) nationally in a long, long time.
Do I want HC to be "Alabama North?" Obviously no...but there is a path (which I believe we are on football-wise anyway) to be both a great school in athletics and in academia.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 11, 2022 11:11:28 GMT -5
Make non medical redshirts a thing. This is going to be the biggest point of discussion for HCBC and ADKH. If we want to routinely be a top 10-15 FCS program, make annual trips to the FCS playoffs, and have a chance at winning the whole damn thing on years when the stars align, then we absolutely need fifth-years. If the school or league puts our handcuffs on not having fifth years, then I guarantee Chesney's desire to move elsewhere increases in a big, big way. There's been a ceiling that gets put on the program if we can't have redshirts. The COVID year and subsequent ability for those kids to have an additional year of eligibility were the best thing that's happened to the program since the hiring of Chesney. It's also made things complicated for the school and league because we've gotten a taste of what this program can become -- a top ten in the country. The big question is whether ADKH wants to truly make a splash at HC, or if he just wants to play nice with everyone while angling for his next job like the last two carpet baggers. First impressions indicate the latter, but I would love to be wrong.
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Post by matunuck on Dec 11, 2022 11:16:14 GMT -5
I wouldn’t assume that the interests of the faculty completely overlap the broader interests of the school.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 11, 2022 12:47:51 GMT -5
Matunuck, your point is a good one. I worked for a few years at a College where the two were identical and it really worked to the benefit of both students and faculty. The Mercy faculty deliberately took less salary to make the college affordable (in 2 negotiations) for the community we served. Mercy did have a much higher percent of adjunct faculty than HC but we also tried to set aside personal priorities for the greater good. It can be done, because I saw it. HC's future is wide open to new possibilities right now. Let's try to use this time productively. GO CROSS GO
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 11, 2022 13:01:15 GMT -5
This is going to be the biggest point of discussion for HCBC and ADKH. If we want to routinely be a top 10-15 FCS program, make annual trips to the FCS playoffs, and have a chance at winning the whole damn thing on years when the stars align, then we absolutely need fifth-years. If the school or league puts our handcuffs on not having fifth years, then I guarantee Chesney's desire to move elsewhere increases in a big, big way. There's been a ceiling that gets put on the program if we can't have redshirts. The COVID year and subsequent ability for those kids to have an additional year of eligibility were the best thing that's happened to the program since the hiring of Chesney. It's also made things complicated for the school and league because we've gotten a taste of what this program can become -- a top ten in the country. The big question is whether ADKH wants to truly make a splash at HC, or if he just wants to play nice with everyone while angling for his next job like the last two carpet baggers. First impressions indicate the latter, but I would love to be wrong.Based on your track record you're likely to end up happy...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 11, 2022 14:04:22 GMT -5
I think I got lost on the turn somewhere. Why is Bucknell discussed in the same sentence as GU? Bucknell has football scholarships, right? GU doesn't. If GU had football scholarships, would they not be on the same level playing field, other than a stricter AI? Georgetown with 63 scholarships is Bucknell. They will not get recruits at the AI level that will go to HYP every time. This was the problem with Columbia for many years. Bucknell does not allow 5th year players of any kind and also has some additional restrictions mentioned on a Bucknell broadcast this year whose details escape me right now.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 11, 2022 14:05:06 GMT -5
Niamutalolo out at Navy.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 11, 2022 14:49:31 GMT -5
Taking a deep breath.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 11, 2022 14:59:29 GMT -5
Just great.
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Post by td128 on Dec 11, 2022 15:07:18 GMT -5
2022 Holy Cross Crusader Football: a spectacular campaign in the midst of an ongoing Mission committed to excellence in winning on and off the field.
The last two days in South Dakota were filled with a level of pride for Alma Mater unlike any other I have experienced. That pride also left all those on the field, sidelines and in attendance wanting more and knowing that the brass ring is oh so close.
Truly great and honored days to be a Crusader.
LET’S WIN . . . !!
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 11, 2022 15:11:02 GMT -5
If you can win at HC with the PL restrictions and academic concerns, you might be able to win at an Academy. My colleague from West Point always talks about the challenges of recruiting and the demands of basic scheduling (ie the football team meetings, position work, workouts revolve around the Academy faily schedule, etc).
Anyway, on the subject of peer institutions, high school seniors are in the throws of the application process with early decisions out soon. We have had numerous conversations at lunch about where our kids are applying at all academic levels. 3-5 every year wind up at HC with another 5 or 7 at BC. It seems they apply to BC, HC, ND, GU, and Nova as well as Harvard, Dartmouth, and Yale. We don't typically send many to PL schools outside of HC and GU. A lax player went to Bucknell two years ago. A lot go to NESCAC's and some go to the likes of Merrimack, Sacred Heart, and PC. At least at this NE Prep school HC is not mentioned in the same breath as PL schools other than GU.
Our athletes have been talking a lot about Stonehill going D1. Like any school, we have a couple clear FBS type but have a lot of mid-tier athletes that are not FBS or FCS blueblood types but are probably too good athletically for NESCAC looking at Bryant, Stonehill, MC, etc. Actually had someone recruited by Furman, Mercer, and Elon (in addition to some of the NEC squads). Long story short, I am not sure HC belongs in an academic or athletic conversation with the PL schools (especially those without varsity hockey programs).
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 11, 2022 16:13:53 GMT -5
Where does he go? And When does he leave? Is it too tough for you to congratulate them on a great season? I know you couldn't make fun of them this year.
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Post by ts1970 on Dec 11, 2022 16:49:15 GMT -5
Thought we were not going to post on this troll thread. Let it drop down into oblivion. Start a new thread with an appropriate title if need be.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 11, 2022 16:49:19 GMT -5
In the coaching carousel thread
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 11, 2022 17:07:23 GMT -5
If you can win at HC with the PL restrictions and academic concerns, you might be able to win at an Academy. My colleague from West Point always talks about the challenges of recruiting and the demands of basic scheduling (ie the football team meetings, position work, workouts revolve around the Academy faily schedule, etc). Anyway, on the subject of peer institutions, high school seniors are in the throws of the application process with early decisions out soon. We have had numerous conversations at lunch about where our kids are applying at all academic levels. 3-5 every year wind up at HC with another 5 or 7 at BC. It seems they apply to BC, HC, ND, GU, and Nova as well as Harvard, Dartmouth, and Yale. We don't typically send many to PL schools outside of HC and GU. A lax player went to Bucknell two years ago. A lot go to NESCAC's and some go to the likes of Merrimack, Sacred Heart, and PC. At least at this NE Prep school HC is not mentioned in the same breath as PL schools other than GU. Our athletes have been talking a lot about Stonehill going D1. Like any school, we have a couple clear FBS type but have a lot of mid-tier athletes that are not FBS or FCS blueblood types but are probably too good athletically for NESCAC looking at Bryant, Stonehill, MC, etc. Actually had someone recruited by Furman, Mercer, and Elon (in addition to some of the NEC squads). Long story short, I am not sure HC belongs in an academic or athletic conversation with the PL schools (especially those without varsity hockey programs). Based on these insights, the PL FB conference make-up is more homogeneous than the PL BB conference make-up. There is no PL hockey conference and I'm not sure there is any sport other than BB where all ten "full member" PL schools field a league entry. The PL doesn't offer the same symmetry as the Ivy League or the NESCAC. I've been a proponent of the PL as the best D-1 configuration currently available to HC but it certainly is not perfect. Exciting times could be ahead and I'm open minded about HC's landing spot if significant realignment occurs.
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Post by hartattack on Dec 13, 2022 12:46:01 GMT -5
Love HCBC’s answer here. Kevin Stone with New England Football Journal has a few other clips up from Coach’s availability this afternoon, but this one was the best.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 13, 2022 12:51:40 GMT -5
“ I love the purity of this level”
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Post by football44 on Dec 13, 2022 12:58:37 GMT -5
Love HCBC’s answer here. Kevin Stone with New England Football Journal has a few other clips up from Coach’s availability this afternoon, but this one was the best. Okay everyone enough with Navy and we is he going. I mentioned the other day to strap in and get ready for 2023. This guy is determined to win a National championship. Worry about him leaving after then.
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