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Post by Tom on Dec 27, 2022 12:19:57 GMT -5
The sadness of HC becoming a feeder school for Community College for three (?) Players will hopefully make future players think carefully. Grandy and Luc are the only two non-grad transfers in recent years who have really improved their career by transferring. By my count, there have been 14 scholarship players that have transferred out of HC starting with that Grandison timeframe. Even if the program were at Coach Willard levels, I think most would agree with longsuffering that the Big 10 and the A-10 conferences are a step up. 6 others went D-I to places like the MAAC, Colonial, Big South, Northeast, and West Coast. Five guys not in D-I, and one guy (Lowder) who is too complicated to keep track of. Right now, one could reasonably argue that anyplace in D-I is a real improvement from a place struggling to stay in the top 350, but in general, more often than not, the basketball grass isn't that much greener
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Post by mm67 on Dec 27, 2022 12:55:44 GMT -5
Have no expertise beyond my 65+ years of fandom. I just want to see good winning basketball at HC. Happy Holiday Festival Remembrance.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 27, 2022 13:42:01 GMT -5
We missed Festivus to have our “airing of our grievances” but, then again, we pretty much do that all year long.
But in memory of Frank Costanza, Happy Belated Festivus to all.
You may resume your usual grievance airing.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 27, 2022 14:16:08 GMT -5
Does UNH football play-in round win over Fordham count as an NCAA playoff win?
Joking, because of course it does.
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Post by trimster on Dec 27, 2022 14:43:01 GMT -5
That is the best they can be. This year will mark 70 years since Holy Cross has won a NCAA tournament game. (The play-in doesn’t count) Amazing how various posters are the Judge and Jury about what Holy Cross victory counts or not. The record book says wins against D-3 opponents are wins and the record book says that Holy Cross won an NCAA game under Coach Carmody. Why not just say it's been 70 years since Holy Cross won a non-play-in round NCAA game instead of sounding like you know better than the whole NCAA? Holy Cross has no business playing D3 opponents in hoops. I hope that practice stops going forward.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 27, 2022 15:34:16 GMT -5
Amazing how various posters are the Judge and Jury about what Holy Cross victory counts or not. The record book says wins against D-3 opponents are wins and the record book says that Holy Cross won an NCAA game under Coach Carmody. Why not just say it's been 70 years since Holy Cross won a non-play-in round NCAA game instead of sounding like you know better than the whole NCAA? Holy Cross has no business playing D3 opponents in hoops. I hope that practice stops going forward. I'm fine with that as long as the records of HC's wins and losses (Williams and UMass Boston) against D-3 opponents aren't wiped away. To get a full slate of D-1 opponents from the 350 spot isn't a walk in the park. With the head coach position in flux, Kit should be making sure we have a full D-1 slate for next year. I agree that D-1 road games are preferable to D-3 home games.
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Post by Tom on Dec 27, 2022 16:15:31 GMT -5
Holy Cross has no business playing D3 opponents in hoops. I hope that practice stops going forward. I'm fine with that as long as the records of HC's wins and losses (Williams and UMass Boston) against D-3 opponents aren't wiped away. To get a full slate of D-1 opponents from the 350 spot isn't a walk in the park. With the head coach position in flux, Kit should be making sure we have a full D-1 slate for next year. I agree that D-1 road games are preferable to D-3 home games. The D-III thing is kind of tricky. I don't think it was true back when HC played Williams, but now-a-days the D-III guys don't count the games. Neither Colby Sawyer nor Dean count the HC game in their record. Is it legitimate to count something as a win if no one actually lost? It doesn't bother me if someone ignores D-III games when discussing HC's record for that reason.
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Post by trimster on Dec 27, 2022 16:32:14 GMT -5
I'm fine with that as long as the records of HC's wins and losses (Williams and UMass Boston) against D-3 opponents aren't wiped away. To get a full slate of D-1 opponents from the 350 spot isn't a walk in the park. With the head coach position in flux, Kit should be making sure we have a full D-1 slate for next year. I agree that D-1 road games are preferable to D-3 home games. The D-III thing is kind of tricky. I don't think it was true back when HC played Williams, but now-a-days the D-III guys don't count the games. Neither Colby Sawyer nor Dean count the HC game in their record. Is it legitimate to count something as a win if no one actually lost? It doesn't bother me if someone ignores D-III games when discussing HC's record for that reason. Multiple things bother me about D3 games. One is the fact they count in the schedule when they pretty much aren't more taxing than the varsity playing a team of Intramural All Stars and another is if you buy season tickets, you have to pay for them. That isn't fair to the few season ticket holders who are still left. I would rather see HC play 2 fewer games than include D3 games on the schedule. Third, what is gained by playing them? One of the stats sites I was looking at today, doesn't include those games in the stats.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 27, 2022 16:32:41 GMT -5
Amazing how various posters are the Judge and Jury about what Holy Cross victory counts or not. The record book says wins against D-3 opponents are wins and the record book says that Holy Cross won an NCAA game under Coach Carmody. Why not just say it's been 70 years since Holy Cross won a non-play-in round NCAA game instead of sounding like you know better than the whole NCAA? Right on. Want to say some games do not count? Why not say that games where the opponent has too many presbyterians don't count...or games outside of New England? The results of the games played do, of course, count as do any games played in the NCAA tournament round (even in the first round). [They are no longer called play-in games.] Or, why not say that non-D1 games don't count unless, God forbid , HC should lose one...then they will never be forgotten. So include it, Holy Cross is 1-9 in the last 70 years in NCAA Tournament action with the only win in an Opening Round game against Southern in 2016. That is a fact.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 27, 2022 16:34:37 GMT -5
Does UNH football play-in round win over Fordham count as an NCAA playoff win? Joking, because of course it does. UNH also has played in a NCAA Semifinal in football....UNH football is 15-17 in NCAA postseason play in the last 31 seasons. Not too shabby to make the tournament in 17 out of 31 seasons.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 27, 2022 16:35:27 GMT -5
I'm fine with that as long as the records of HC's wins and losses (Williams and UMass Boston) against D-3 opponents aren't wiped away. To get a full slate of D-1 opponents from the 350 spot isn't a walk in the park. With the head coach position in flux, Kit should be making sure we have a full D-1 slate for next year. I agree that D-1 road games are preferable to D-3 home games. The D-III thing is kind of tricky. I don't think it was true back when HC played Williams, but now-a-days the D-III guys don't count the games. Neither Colby Sawyer nor Dean count the HC game in their record. Is it legitimate to count something as a win if no one actually lost? It doesn't bother me if someone ignores D-III games when discussing HC's record for that reason. JWU doesn't count their game against BU either.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 27, 2022 16:53:48 GMT -5
No doubt someday HC basketball will be like a rising phoenix. Keep the faith with the warning Bball up, f-ball down. Keep the alums sullen but not mutinous.
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Post by DiMarz on Dec 27, 2022 17:03:49 GMT -5
I was a season ticket holder during the Raynor years...This years edition of the Crusaders is easier to watch..It really takes ONE stud to turn a program on the right track....Others will follow.....But getting that one stud is not easy...
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Post by efg72 on Dec 27, 2022 17:18:57 GMT -5
One big, a better than average point, a few versatile shooters and a coach
We need a coach and a point asap. We will get a big once in place, although in the right system they might be there -the others are on the roster with the right coach
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Post by efg72 on Dec 27, 2022 17:21:02 GMT -5
I am very positive about hoops once we get our version of Chesney
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Post by timholycross on Dec 27, 2022 18:30:55 GMT -5
BC is #106, Notre Dame is 163 in Pomeroy. According to that ranking, Colgate (125) is competitive with both, so could we be. .You got them reversed, BC is 163. And #163 just lost to #315, a school that one of our posters is familiar with.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 27, 2022 19:16:53 GMT -5
And #37 lost to #347.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 27, 2022 19:46:53 GMT -5
BC is #106, Notre Dame is 163 in Pomeroy. According to that ranking, Colgate (125) is competitive with both, so could we be. .You got them reversed, BC is 163. And #163 just lost to #315, a school that one of our posters is familiar with. Also lost to 307
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Post by Xmassader on Dec 28, 2022 1:02:48 GMT -5
Right on. Want to say some games do not count? Why not say that games where the opponent has too many presbyterians don't count...or games outside of New England? The results of the games played do, of course, count as do any games played in the NCAA tournament round (even in the first round). [They are no longer called play-in games.] Or, why not say that non-D1 games don't count unless, God forbid , HC should lose one...then they will never be forgotten. So include it, Holy Cross is 1-9 in the last 70 years in NCAA Tournament action with the only win in an Opening Round game against Southern in 2016. That is a fact.
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Post by Tom on Dec 28, 2022 9:16:52 GMT -5
The D-III thing is kind of tricky. I don't think it was true back when HC played Williams, but now-a-days the D-III guys don't count the games. Neither Colby Sawyer nor Dean count the HC game in their record. Is it legitimate to count something as a win if no one actually lost? It doesn't bother me if someone ignores D-III games when discussing HC's record for that reason. JWU doesn't count their game against BU either. Goes to my point. I don't think only HC's D-III opponents don't count the games. I think it is now kind of standard for D-III schools that are playing against D-I to not count the games
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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 28, 2022 9:53:07 GMT -5
We mustn't blame the Patriot League for a move we made (spurning the Big East) some fifty years ago, when we haven't figured out a solution since.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 28, 2022 9:56:11 GMT -5
We seem to have figured it out un football- a superior coach plus the Luth. Hoops did and could do the same again, see RW. Other sports ??
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 28, 2022 13:14:14 GMT -5
We seem to have figured it out un football- a superior coach plus the Luth. Hoops did and could do the same again, see RW. Other sports ?? M&W hockey are the only other sports we are competitive nationally in scholarships. And both sports have the FCS advantage of a smaller universe of schools competing than the full amount of D-1 schools. HC has spent the money on schollies but then hired head coaches with no experience as head coaches for both hockey teams. HC ADs are buying lottery tickets with these coaching choices.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 28, 2022 13:48:20 GMT -5
We seem to have figured it out un football- a superior coach plus the Luth. Hoops did and could do the same again, see RW. Other sports ?? M&W hockey are the only other sports we are competitive nationally in scholarships. And both sports have the FCS advantage of a smaller universe of schools competing than the full amount of D-1 schools.HC has spent the money on schollies but then hired head coaches with no experience as head coaches for both hockey teams. HC ADs are buying lottery tickets with these coaching choices. This is basically the thrust of my argument, both football and hockey are playing/competing at a sort of different "level" than hoop even though all 3 are technically playing at the D1 level. Football at the FCS-level and hockey where there are what. about 60 D1 programs in the country? Those 2 sports are basically set up to be potentially successful at a national level whereas it would take a Herculean effort for hoops to be successful at the national level. I'm not saing we should leave the PL or drop hoop....but just that we have to accept we are a very low major and that's it difficult to see much regional or national success at he D1 level moving forward.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 28, 2022 14:42:07 GMT -5
The other sports take talent up and down the roster. Imho the easiest turn around can come in hoops as it only takes two or three new players and a coach to make a major improvement
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