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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 28, 2022 15:54:11 GMT -5
M&W hockey are the only other sports we are competitive nationally in scholarships. And both sports have the FCS advantage of a smaller universe of schools competing than the full amount of D-1 schools.HC has spent the money on schollies but then hired head coaches with no experience as head coaches for both hockey teams. HC ADs are buying lottery tickets with these coaching choices. This is basically the thrust of my argument, both football and hockey are playing/competing at a sort of different "level" than hoop even though all 3 are technically playing at the D1 level. Football at the FCS-level and hockey where there are what. about 60 D1 programs in the country? Those 2 sports are basically set up to be potentially successful at a national level whereas it would take a Herculean effort for hoops to be successful at the national level. I'm not saing we should leave the PL or drop hoop....but just that we have to accept we are a very low major and that's it difficult to see much regional or national success at he D1 level moving forward. Lacrosse can be played at the National Level in the Patriot League and there was 73 programs and Women had 118 last season. Right now there are 62 NCAA Men's Hockey Teams in the Pairwise and 42 women's programs.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 28, 2022 18:18:43 GMT -5
The other sports take talent up and down the roster. Imho the easiest turn around can come in hoops as it only takes two or three new players and a coach to make a major improvement And BB has a cachet of simply making the Dance that is more prominent than in other sports. Making the NCAA tournament is a great accomplishment for any team in any sport but the D-1 "Big Dance" has a unique cultural significance. But they say "dance with the one who brung you" and HC FB is that sport over the last four years and it's been great. We are a lot better off than other schools who are doing nothing in any spectator sport. Great in FB and terrible in MBB is better than mediocre in both imo. The FB success also knocks out the thought that you can't win at HC.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 28, 2022 18:53:23 GMT -5
This is basically the thrust of my argument, both football and hockey are playing/competing at a sort of different "level" than hoop even though all 3 are technically playing at the D1 level. Football at the FCS-level and hockey where there are what. about 60 D1 programs in the country? Those 2 sports are basically set up to be potentially successful at a national level whereas it would take a Herculean effort for hoops to be successful at the national level. I'm not saing we should leave the PL or drop hoop....but just that we have to accept we are a very low major and that's it difficult to see much regional or national success at he D1 level moving forward. Lacrosse can be played at the National Level in the Patriot League and there was 73 programs and Women had 118 last season. Right now there are 62 NCAA Men's Hockey Teams in the Pairwise and 42 women's programs. How many D-1 baseball nines are left? "I'm the skipper of this nine" -Newly appointed interim Red Sox manager Joe Morgan after Jim Rice throttled him in the tunnel when Morgan sent in a pinch hitter for Rice. One of my most memorable sports quotes.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 28, 2022 19:12:55 GMT -5
Lacrosse can be played at the National Level in the Patriot League and there was 73 programs and Women had 118 last season. Right now there are 62 NCAA Men's Hockey Teams in the Pairwise and 42 women's programs. How many D-1 baseball nines are left? "I'm the skipper of this nine" -Newly appointed interim Red Sox manager Joe Morgan after Jim Rice throttled him in the tunnel when Morgan sent in a pinch hitter for Rice. One of my most memorable sports quotes. There was 301 listed in the RPI rankings last year... www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d1/rpi
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 28, 2022 19:35:24 GMT -5
How many D-1 baseball nines are left? "I'm the skipper of this nine" -Newly appointed interim Red Sox manager Joe Morgan after Jim Rice throttled him in the tunnel when Morgan sent in a pinch hitter for Rice. One of my most memorable sports quotes. There was 301 listed in the RPI rankings last year... www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d1/rpiI feared it would be fewer. The American pastime still hanging in there.
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Post by trimster on Dec 28, 2022 20:53:24 GMT -5
M&W hockey are the only other sports we are competitive nationally in scholarships. And both sports have the FCS advantage of a smaller universe of schools competing than the full amount of D-1 schools.HC has spent the money on schollies but then hired head coaches with no experience as head coaches for both hockey teams. HC ADs are buying lottery tickets with these coaching choices. This is basically the thrust of my argument, both football and hockey are playing/competing at a sort of different "level" than hoop even though all 3 are technically playing at the D1 level. Football at the FCS-level and hockey where there are what. about 60 D1 programs in the country? Those 2 sports are basically set up to be potentially successful at a national level whereas it would take a Herculean effort for hoops to be successful at the national level. I'm not saing we should leave the PL or drop hoop....but just that we have to accept we are a very low major and that's it difficult to see much regional or national success at he D1 level moving forward. It could be worse; we could be NYU. I am sure many on this board remember the Violets of Happy Hairston, Barry Kramer and Mal Graham.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 29, 2022 1:21:13 GMT -5
HC is a football school now......it is what it is.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 29, 2022 15:36:55 GMT -5
HC is a football school now......it is what it is. For now.
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Post by Ray on Dec 29, 2022 17:29:42 GMT -5
The amazing thing is that this isn't even '87's dumbest thread of the week.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 29, 2022 21:52:51 GMT -5
For those looking at hope for the future of hoops, please take some time to watch a soccer show/sort of documentary called Wrexham! It is a great story about how a sport grows relationships among team members, community and family and build a winning culture.
It is about Ryan Reynods/Ron Mclhaney buying a soccer club in Wales
There are 18 episodes about 25-30 minutes long.
Ted Lasso and Wrexham are worth investing some time, and yes they bring in a coach and attract players that are from a level or two above
hope is alive
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Post by hc87 on Dec 29, 2022 22:54:16 GMT -5
The amazing thing is that this isn't even '87's dumbest thread of the week. This technically isn't my thread....hchoops stahhted it....I stand by statement though,,,,HC men's hoop is mired in being poor being in the PL, the way NCAA world exists today etc. etc. There really isn't much hope moving forward.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 30, 2022 0:56:58 GMT -5
For those looking at hope for the future of hoops, please take some time to watch a soccer show/sort of documentary called Wrexham! It is a great story about how a sport grows relationships among team members, community and family and build a winning culture. It is about Ryan Reynods/Ron Mclhaney buying a soccer club in Wales There are 18 episodes about 25-30 minutes long. Ted Lasso and Wrexham are worth investing some time, and yes they bring in a coach and attract players that are from a level or two above hope is alive It's always sunny in Wales?🤔
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 30, 2022 2:05:26 GMT -5
For those looking at hope for the future of hoops, please take some time to watch a soccer show/sort of documentary called Wrexham! It is a great story about how a sport grows relationships among team members, community and family and build a winning culture. It is about Ryan Reynods/Ron Mclhaney buying a soccer club in Wales There are 18 episodes about 25-30 minutes long. Ted Lasso and Wrexham are worth investing some time, and yes they bring in a coach and attract players that are from a level or two above hope is alive It's always sunny in Wales?🤔 Welcome to Wrexham is actually the title. There is also a similar show on Sunderland on Nexflix which are an hour long. Same concept pretty much.
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Post by Tom on Dec 30, 2022 10:53:27 GMT -5
For me having kids stay 4 years and graduate was always one of the biggest attractions to following HC hoops; to be able to become connected with them, in a way. Right now, out of 12 schollie players, 5 have transferred at least once, and 7 haven't. Is that going to be the norm going forward, even with a coaching change? It will be interesting to look at things in a few years, when the Covid bonus year has filtered through, and the NIL has become more established. What is the probability that all seven graduate from HC?The further these kids are along in their career, the more likely they are to stay. Of the seven 3 are juniors, however, as freshmen during the "Covid" year still have two years of eligibility 2 sophs and 2 freshmen. Past practice has made me pessimistic, but I don't think it's highly probable that all four of the younger group stays, In this day and age, even schools that aren't experiencing mass exoduses probably aren't experiencing 100 percent retention The nature of looking at the current snapshot, it can only get worse. Having 7 out of these 12 graduate as four year players is a best case scenario. For this group that percentage cannot get higher, it can only get lower. Looking back four years is a completed story, but still basically as bad. Over the last four years, HC has only graduated 6 four year scholarship players. Ideally that number should be 12 or 13. Continuity would make things seem better. I have to admit it was really strange last year going to my first game and literally having zero people on the floor who I had ever seen play in person Well, per what was on another thread about the roster, that probability has gone down significantly
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Post by Ray on Dec 30, 2022 18:50:10 GMT -5
The amazing thing is that this isn't even '87's dumbest thread of the week. This technically isn't my thread....hchoops stahhted it....I stand by statement though,,,,HC men's hoop is mired in being poor being in the PL, the way NCAA world exists today etc. etc. There really isn't much hope moving forward. I don't know why I keep taking the bait from your late night posts, but you haven't given any actual reasons for this. What about the PL? What about the NCAA? We're members of both institutions. How are we less equipped to compete within those structures than our peers?
Seems to me you were saying the same thing about football program 5-6 years ago. How'd that turn out?
There's nothing so dead about HC hoops that the right coach and a couple of key recruits can't revive. If anything it's easier to turn around a hoops program than a football program, because a smaller number of players/coaches can reboot a culture.
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