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Post by trimster on Jan 12, 2023 15:06:06 GMT -5
There are 14 players who played at HC from roughly 1950 to 1975 who were probable locks to be 1000 point scorers had they played 4 years but they only played 3 since frosh were ineligible. Six came from the mid 60's to the Class of 1974. Without looking it up, can you name those 6. An obvious one is Mr. 999, Richie Murphy. From the early Baby Boomer era group, Ron Perry Sr. is an obvious one with 982 career points. There is one from just before the mid Sixties so there are 7 from the early 60's to 1974.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 12, 2023 15:12:58 GMT -5
I don't remember a 1000 point celebration in my 4 years at HC; 1969-73. So these are my guesses. Gene Doyle Jim Schnurr Buddy Venne (second closest, I'm pretty sure) Jack Adams Bob Kissane Malcolm Moulton (actually, I'm not very confident in this one: but you said 1974 and he's the only senior on that team that was any kind of scorer.
(edit)- 3 of these guys got over 1000, so I'm only in the running for 3 of the six.
I'll add Stan Grayson to the 3 that are still in the running.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 12, 2023 15:15:08 GMT -5
Keith Hochstein Al Stazinski
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Post by hchoops on Jan 12, 2023 15:19:19 GMT -5
I believe that Doyle, Schnurr and Kissane have 1000 How about Stan Grayson
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Post by hchoops on Jan 12, 2023 15:27:25 GMT -5
Jimmy Murray ?
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Post by trimster on Jan 12, 2023 15:28:13 GMT -5
I don't remember a 1000 point celebration in my 4 years at HC; 1969-73. So these are my guesses. Gene Doyle Jim Schnurr Buddy Venne (second closest, I'm pretty sure) Jack Adams Bob Kissane Malcolm Moulton (actually, I'm not very confident in this one: but you said 1974 and he's the only senior on that team that was any kind of scorer. (edit)- 3 of these guys got over 1000, so I'm only in the running for 3 of the six. I'll add Stan Grayson to the 3 that are still in the running. Doyle, Schnurr and Kissane are comfortably in the 1,000 point club. Venne, Adams, Moulton and Grayson are correct. Buddy looks to be 2nd closest with 989 and Malcolm 4th with 974. RP Sr had 982. Adams had 921 and Grayson had 860. Looks like Stan missed 10 games his senior year so he only played 68 varsity games.
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Post by trimster on Jan 12, 2023 15:32:18 GMT -5
Keith Hochstein Al Stazinski Keith is a well-established 1,000 point scorer and did it in only 58 games. I believe he broke his hand and missed a number of games in his jr. year. His ppg average of 22 is one of the highest in HC history. Correct on Stazinski with 820 points. Looks like we have all six.
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Post by trimster on Jan 12, 2023 15:32:57 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Jan 12, 2023 15:46:36 GMT -5
basically off topic, but under the heading of 1000 point scorers. . . Gates has a real good shot of joining the club this weekend. Obviously the extra year of eligibility making this possible, but nice to see. With the revolving door, I thought we were destined for a gap in adding new members to that club
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Post by timholycross on Jan 12, 2023 16:53:19 GMT -5
Stan got injured at Georgetown and missed most of the stretch run in 71-72. I think Jack Donahue's sisyphean goal of making the NIT would have been accomplished in his final season had Stan not gone down. He wasn't our best scorer, but I think he was our MVP and a great leader.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 12, 2023 17:49:29 GMT -5
I don't remember a 1000 point celebration in my 4 years at HC; 1969-73. So these are my guesses. Gene Doyle Jim Schnurr Buddy Venne (second closest, I'm pretty sure) Jack Adams Bob Kissane Malcolm Moulton (actually, I'm not very confident in this one: but you said 1974 and he's the only senior on that team that was any kind of scorer. (edit)- 3 of these guys got over 1000, so I'm only in the running for 3 of the six. I'll add Stan Grayson to the 3 that are still in the running. Doyle, Schnurr and Kissane are comfortably in the 1,000 point club. Venne, Adams, Moulton and Grayson are correct. Buddy looks to be 2nd closest with 989 and Malcolm 4th with 974. RP Sr had 982. Adams had 921 and Grayson had 860. Looks like Stan missed 10 games his senior year so he only played 68 varsity games. What happened with Jack Adams-I thought he was very good and so much fun to watch
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Post by efg72 on Jan 12, 2023 17:50:17 GMT -5
Stan got hurt -leg I believe
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Post by trimster on Jan 12, 2023 18:15:44 GMT -5
I don't remember a 1000 point celebration in my 4 years at HC; 1969-73. So these are my guesses. Gene Doyle Jim Schnurr Buddy Venne (second closest, I'm pretty sure) Jack Adams Bob Kissane Malcolm Moulton (actually, I'm not very confident in this one: but you said 1974 and he's the only senior on that team that was any kind of scorer. (edit)- 3 of these guys got over 1000, so I'm only in the running for 3 of the six. I'll add Stan Grayson to the 3 that are still in the running. Doyle, Schnurr and Kissane are comfortably in the 1,000 point club. Venne, Adams, Moulton and Grayson are correct. Buddy looks to be 2nd closest with 989 and Malcolm 4th with 974. RP Sr had 982. Adams had 921 and Grayson had 860. Looks like Stan missed 10 games his senior year so he only played 68 varsity games. The 70-71 squad was loaded. Everyone mentioned above was on the roster except for Moulton and RP Sr. In addition Don Sasso was a 6'8" center who averaged 10 ppg his first two years but had his sr year derailed with a knee injury. Joe Phelan was a capable reserve and there were 2 other very good sophs in addition to Doyle and Schnurr. Bruce Grentz and a guy named Kevin Stacom. Team was stacked. They were 17-5 heading into a 4 game homestand to close out the season. PC, BC, Georgetown and St. John's. GU wasn't GU yet but the other three were excellent. Unfortunately, the Crusaders lost to all but the Hoyas and were on the outside looking in once again when it came to the postseason. Team had wins over Seton Hall, Syracuse, Uconn, BC, Iowa State, URI, Fairfield and very close losses to UMass, (I believe with Dr. J.), Ole Miss and a 1 pointer at MSG to St. John's. They lost big to Fordham and Digger Phelps. Their other loss was big to Assumption which I believe was the top-ranked D2 school in the country with Jake Jones, Serge Debari, 1 or 2 Boylans, et al. That game was one of their worst losses of the season, 72-95.
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Post by trimster on Jan 12, 2023 18:58:32 GMT -5
There are 14 players who played at HC from roughly 1950 to 1975 who were probable locks to be 1000 point scorers had they played 4 years but they only played 3 since frosh were ineligible. Six came from the mid 60's to the Class of 1974. Without looking it up, can you name those 6. An obvious one is Mr. 999, Richie Murphy. From the early Baby Boomer era group, Ron Perry Sr. is an obvious one with 982 career points. There is one from just before the mid Sixties so there are 7 from the early 60's to 1974. The player from the early sixties, (actually class of '64), was Pat Gallager. Looks like he missed about 10 games his senior year so he played in 68 games and totaled 792 points for an average of 11.8.
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 12, 2023 19:18:55 GMT -5
Some great memories with all those names..Who was the center who had a ruptured Achilles? Played with Perry Jr. maybe 1976, was it John O'Conner? I remember when it happened, right in front of the HC bench.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 12, 2023 19:37:05 GMT -5
Yes, John O'Connor. Came back to play in 77-78 and 78-79 (too late in the 76-77 season for a medical redshirt, if such things even existed then).
I saw him play in the Boston Shootout the June before he started college, do not believe he had signed w/HC yet. Recruiting in general was later then, but typically not that late. Pleasant surprise when he went to HC.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 12, 2023 19:45:56 GMT -5
Doyle, Schnurr and Kissane are comfortably in the 1,000 point club. Venne, Adams, Moulton and Grayson are correct. Buddy looks to be 2nd closest with 989 and Malcolm 4th with 974. RP Sr had 982. Adams had 921 and Grayson had 860. Looks like Stan missed 10 games his senior year so he only played 68 varsity games. The 70-71 squad was loaded. Everyone mentioned above was on the roster except for Moulton and RP Sr. In addition Don Sasso was a 6'8" center who averaged 10 ppg his first two years but had his sr year derailed with a knee injury. Joe Phelan was a capable reserve and there were 2 other very good sophs in addition to Doyle and Schnurr. Bruce Grentz and a guy named Kevin Stacom. Team was stacked. They were 17-5 heading into a 4 game homestand to close out the season. PC, BC, Georgetown and St. John's. GU wasn't GU yet but the other three were excellent. Unfortunately, the Crusaders lost to all but the Hoyas and were on the outside looking in once again when it came to the postseason. Team had wins over Seton Hall, Syracuse, Uconn, BC, Iowa State, URI, Fairfield and very close losses to UMass, (I believe with Dr. J.), Ole Miss and a 1 pointer at MSG to St. John's. They lost big to Fordham and Digger Phelps. Their other loss was big to Assumption which I believe was the top-ranked D2 school in the country with Jake Jones, Serge Debari, 1 or 2 Boylans, et al. That game was one of their worst losses of the season, 72-95. The Syracuse win at Manley Field House was one of two or three home losses SU suffered that decade.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 12, 2023 19:58:01 GMT -5
Some great memories with all those names..Who was the center who had a ruptured Achilles? Played with Perry Jr. maybe 1976, was it John O'Conner? I remember when it happened, right in front of the HC bench. It occurred during the Northeastern game. John went up for a rebound at the west basket, the side near the Bud Ryan room. A ref stepped on his heal as John turned to go up the court. I was sitting in the bleachers under the basket and still remember the sequence vividly. His lost had a significant impact on the rest of the season.
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Post by trimster on Jan 12, 2023 20:40:50 GMT -5
The 70-71 squad was loaded. Everyone mentioned above was on the roster except for Moulton and RP Sr. In addition Don Sasso was a 6'8" center who averaged 10 ppg his first two years but had his sr year derailed with a knee injury. Joe Phelan was a capable reserve and there were 2 other very good sophs in addition to Doyle and Schnurr. Bruce Grentz and a guy named Kevin Stacom. Team was stacked. They were 17-5 heading into a 4 game homestand to close out the season. PC, BC, Georgetown and St. John's. GU wasn't GU yet but the other three were excellent. Unfortunately, the Crusaders lost to all but the Hoyas and were on the outside looking in once again when it came to the postseason. Team had wins over Seton Hall, Syracuse, Uconn, BC, Iowa State, URI, Fairfield and very close losses to UMass, (I believe with Dr. J.), Ole Miss and a 1 pointer at MSG to St. John's. They lost big to Fordham and Digger Phelps. Their other loss was big to Assumption which I believe was the top-ranked D2 school in the country with Jake Jones, Serge Debari, 1 or 2 Boylans, et al. That game was one of their worst losses of the season, 72-95. The Syracuse win at Manley Field House was one of two or three home losses SU suffered that decade. HC broke a very long SU win streak at Manley. Not sure if that was the game.
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Post by Ignutz on Jan 13, 2023 9:32:36 GMT -5
Some great memories with all those names..Who was the center who had a ruptured Achilles? Played with Perry Jr. maybe 1976, was it John O'Conner? I remember when it happened, right in front of the HC bench. It occurred during the Northeastern game. John went up for a rebound at the west basket, the side near the Bud Ryan room. A ref stepped on his heal as John turned to go up the court. I was sitting in the bleachers under the basket and still remember the sequence vividly. His lost had a significant impact on the rest of the season. Trivia question: What HOF Boston sports start was dealing with a ruptured achilles at the same time?
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Post by Xmassader on Jan 13, 2023 14:22:49 GMT -5
Some great memories with all those names..Who was the center who had a ruptured Achilles? Played with Perry Jr. maybe 1976, was it John O'Conner? I remember when it happened, right in front of the HC bench. It occurred during the Northeastern game. John went up for a rebound at the west basket, the side near the Bud Ryan room. A ref stepped on his heal as John turned to go up the court. I was sitting in the bleachers under the basket and still remember the sequence vividly. His lost had a significant impact on the rest of the season. Crucis When we played Michigan in the NCAA tournament in 1977, the pre-game focus was on RPJr.’s absence. Little, if any, mention was made of John O’Connor’s absence and he was a starter before his injury. Would possibly have been a different outcome if RPJr. and O’Connor had played in the game and the Kevin McAuley of his sophomore year (before he hurt his knee) had played. Rickey Green and Steve Grote outplayed our backcourt significantly in the game leading Bryant Gumbel to say in his post game comments “This game was a story of two guards, one who was here (Green) and one who was not (Perry)”.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 13, 2023 14:41:18 GMT -5
Potter and Vicens neutralized their touted front line including All America Phil Hubbard whom Mike posterized to open the game
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 13, 2023 16:09:56 GMT -5
Unfortunately for the Michigan game, the NBC announcing team’s pregame homework regarding the HC roster was incomplete as was their grade. I do remember pregame seeing Ronnie and John sitting side by side with John having a cast and crutches.
Remember the HC player prominently mentioned by Curt Gowdy several times …George Brown. Can’t seem to find him on the team roster for that game. 🤣🤣🤣
Mike posterized several touted players. No HC fan from that era will ever forget Mike’s quote regarding Adrian Dantley.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jan 13, 2023 17:07:04 GMT -5
During the game, Wooden said "I didn't realize Vincennes was this good"/
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 13, 2023 17:09:57 GMT -5
Mike Vicens's first step to the basket was both lightning fast and very long
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