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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 24, 2023 16:31:10 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 25, 2023 0:16:28 GMT -5
Herder says HC's schedule will be harder next year. Exactly what the Schedule hawks have called for. Let's Go!
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Post by hcpride on Jan 25, 2023 3:54:25 GMT -5
Herder says HC's schedule will be harder next year. Exactly what the Schedule hawks have called for. Let's Go! Crossporters, as well as Herder, questioned the strength of our FCS schedule. That hasn’t changed: Is a 9-2 overall record and 9-0 mark vs. the FCS good enough for a seed? Despite going 11-0 with an FBS win last season, the Crusaders still only got the No. 8 seed. Did HC gain enough respect from the committee for its 2022 playoff showing to get a seed at 9-0 vs. weaker FCS opponents?
Playoff positioning is key for how far a team can go. HC will face questions again on its strength of FCS wins.[i/]
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 25, 2023 7:02:54 GMT -5
But, here’s the thing, does a selection committee ignore that the Crusaders will be playing two FBS teams (and hopefully do well, maybe win one or even both)? And won’t our SOS be much better as a result?
This is almost like the USN&WR “reputation” ratings. Almost like no matter what you do or how much you improved, you still get no credit from some people.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 25, 2023 7:57:56 GMT -5
Most of the seeding appears to be focused on the FCS record and H/H records vs Valley, Big sky and CAA teams. FBS games and wins are great for Holy Cross players, but seem like they are used as tie breakers in the seedlings, yet help the SOS when you are in a less desirable league like the NEC, the Pioneer, and the PL.
Just an opinion
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 25, 2023 8:42:56 GMT -5
Herder did note that HC was SDSU's toughest opponent in the playoffs, and suggested that would count for something.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 25, 2023 10:03:27 GMT -5
Herder says HC's schedule will be harder next year. Exactly what the Schedule hawks have called for. Let's Go! Crossporters, as well as Herder, questioned the strength of our FCS schedule. That hasn’t changed: Is a 9-2 overall record and 9-0 mark vs. the FCS good enough for a seed? Despite going 11-0 with an FBS win last season, the Crusaders still only got the No. 8 seed. Did HC gain enough respect from the committee for its 2022 playoff showing to get a seed at 9-0 vs. weaker FCS opponents?
Playoff positioning is key for how far a team can go. HC will face questions again on its strength of FCS wins.[i/]
9-0 against FCS and 0-2 against our FBS schedule would put us on bubble for a seed IMO. The committee does seem to give "clout tokens" for recent postseason performances so we'd definitely have a chance.at the 8 seed again. Will also help that we'll start high in the polls. On the flip side, unless either Harvard, Yale or Merrimack end up being really good, TPTB will point at our schedule and say we don't have any quality wins. Last year we had 2 quality wins in Buffalo and Fordham and still squeaked in at #8. 9-0 against FCS and 1-1 against BC and Army => we'll absolutely get a seed IMO and good chance it's a better seed than last year. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 25, 2023 10:06:26 GMT -5
Herder did note that HC was SDSU's toughest opponent in the playoffs, and suggested that would count for something. It will. |
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Post by inhocsigno on Jan 25, 2023 10:11:44 GMT -5
Need to win one of the FBS games and run the rest of the schedule to get a seed.
SDSU will be seeded again. SDSU doesn't have a FBS game next year. They added a cupcake in Drake to their schedule as their 11th game. Other than Montana state and NDSU, they have a pretty easy schedule (relatively for them).
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Post by hcpride on Jan 25, 2023 10:18:47 GMT -5
Need to win one of the FBS games and run the rest of the schedule to get a seed. SDSU will be seeded again. SDSU doesn't have a FBS game next year. They added a cupcake in Drake to their schedule as their 11th game. Other than Montana state and NDSU, they have a pretty easy schedule (relatively for them). Yes. Herder makes the point that our FCS schedule is weaker than last year (and indicates last year’s FCS schedule was relatively weak). |
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Post by hchoops on Jan 25, 2023 10:30:11 GMT -5
Obviously this may (substantially) change when teams play actual games.
Ex. Was Fordham projected to be as strong last season as they turned out to be ?
There has to be some chance of H, Y and/or Merrimack and a possible other opponent(PL ?) being very good.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 25, 2023 10:57:44 GMT -5
/\ Of course all our opponents (and us) may turn out to be stronger or weaker than current general perception. Herder’s giving a generality regarding our upcoming FCS schedule that seems, in a general sense, to be reasonable.
We do have a remarkably similar FCS schedule next year. It does seem Herder expects Fordham to be weaker (yes, that could turn out to be wrong).
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Post by necfbfan on Jan 25, 2023 11:00:12 GMT -5
Now let's play some real Devil's Advocate here.
Let's say HC goes 11-0 with TWO FBS wins. I don't think anyone here would scoff at the notion of a 9-0 FCS run, and I don't think it's all that far-fetched to think that HC could drop BC and Army. Somewhat unlikely, sure, but not out of the picture. BC seriously stinks and if HC can gain yardage through the air, they might be able to outscore a service academy running a triple option.
So the question is this: Does 11-0 warrant not only a seed, but a top 4 seed? Have to imagine there's little to no precedent for a team from a "weak" league also scoring two FBS wins.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 25, 2023 11:33:11 GMT -5
BC had only 2 FBS wins (each by 1 point) last year, has very serious QB questions, and SI ranked their incoming recruiting class 13/14 in the ACC.
Relative to the ACC I’m guessing they’ll be awful next year.
That being said, if we go undefeated next year I can see a top-4 seed.
Edit: Some sites now have BC at 11 or 12/14 ACC in terms of their committed recruiting class. This is fluid. And they’ve taken some big portal hits.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jan 25, 2023 11:48:55 GMT -5
Crossporters, as well as Herder, questioned the strength of our FCS schedule. That hasn’t changed: Is a 9-2 overall record and 9-0 mark vs. the FCS good enough for a seed? Despite going 11-0 with an FBS win last season, the Crusaders still only got the No. 8 seed. Did HC gain enough respect from the committee for its 2022 playoff showing to get a seed at 9-0 vs. weaker FCS opponents?
Playoff positioning is key for how far a team can go. HC will face questions again on its strength of FCS wins.[i/]
9-0 against FCS and 0-2 against our FBS schedule would put us on bubble for a seed IMO. The committee does seem to give "clout tokens" for recent postseason performances so we'd definitely have a chance.at the 8 seed again. Will also help that we'll start high in the polls. On the flip side, unless either Harvard, Yale or Merrimack end up being really good, TPTB will point at our schedule and say we don't have any quality wins. Last year we had 2 quality wins in Buffalo and Fordham and still squeaked in at #8. 9-0 against FCS and 1-1 against BC and Army => we'll absolutely get a seed IMO and good chance it's a better seed than last year. Yale was a quality win. Blowing out the Ivy League champ still counts for something. Granted if it had been toward the back half of the season it would have counted more. They will also be good in 23’ (preseason favorites IMO) and beating them 3 times in a row (and again in New Haven) won’t be easy. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 25, 2023 12:25:55 GMT -5
Herder says HC's schedule will be harder next year. Exactly what the Schedule hawks have called for. Let's Go! Does strength of opponent schedules fit into it? If Georgetown moves to schedule Div. III opponents in the non-conference to fill its numerous open dates, would that have an impact on HC? |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 25, 2023 12:51:47 GMT -5
BC had only 2 FBS wins (each by 1 point) last year, has very serious QB questions, and SI ranked their incoming recruiting class 13/14 in the ACC. Relative to the ACC I’m guessing they’ll be awful next year. That being said, if we go undefeated next year I can see a top-4 seed. Edit: Some sites now have BC at 11 or 12/14 ACC in terms of their committed recruiting class. This is fluid. And they’ve taken some big portal hits. HC doesn't have significant portal leakage. This is a great season to be playing BC. They should be much more in the developmental stage than Army, which by nature can't be a big portal team, early in the season so even the timing of when we play each FBS opponent is positive. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 25, 2023 13:00:52 GMT -5
Herder says HC's schedule will be harder next year. Exactly what the Schedule hawks have called for. Let's Go! Does strength of opponent schedules fit into it? If Georgetown moves to schedule Div. III opponents in the non-conference to fill its numerous open dates, would that have an impact on HC? Marginally if HC thumps GU. Catastrophic if the Hoyas pull an epic upset. Can't GU at least find D-2 opponents instead of D-3? |
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Post by HC92 on Jan 25, 2023 14:22:09 GMT -5
I know people here know this but running the FCS table will be a challenge. We have a massive target on our backs. Merrimack, Harvard, Yale and Fordham are all formidable foes whether people who can regularly visit Mount Rushmore recognize that or not. And even the lesser PL teams will give us their best shot and have a chance to beat us if we don’t play our best as we learned last year.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 25, 2023 14:25:27 GMT -5
Now let's play some real Devil's Advocate here. Let's say HC goes 11-0 with TWO FBS wins. I don't think anyone here would scoff at the notion of a 9-0 FCS run, and I don't think it's all that far-fetched to think that HC could drop BC and Army. Somewhat unlikely, sure, but not out of the picture. BC seriously stinks and if HC can gain yardage through the air, they might be able to outscore a service academy running a triple option. So the question is this: Does 11-0 warrant not only a seed, but a top 4 seed? Have to imagine there's little to no precedent for a team from a "weak" league also scoring two FBS wins. If we go 11-0 with wins over Army and BC and don’t get a top 4 seed, I am going to do something bad involving the members of the selection committee. If the Feds are watching, this will not involve physical violence or any other criminal activity. |
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Post by mm67 on Jan 25, 2023 14:44:41 GMT -5
With all the hype and expectations God help the HC coaches if & when the team gets upset by an FCS foe. It has been a fun at times fantasy ride. Can only imagine the grief the great Coach Nick Saban must get when Alabama loses any game cause any loss is an upset.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 25, 2023 14:50:16 GMT -5
Now let's play some real Devil's Advocate here. Let's say HC goes 11-0 with TWO FBS wins. I don't think anyone here would scoff at the notion of a 9-0 FCS run, and I don't think it's all that far-fetched to think that HC could drop BC and Army. Somewhat unlikely, sure, but not out of the picture. BC seriously stinks and if HC can gain yardage through the air, they might be able to outscore a service academy running a triple option. So the question is this: Does 11-0 warrant not only a seed, but a top 4 seed? Have to imagine there's little to no precedent for a team from a "weak" league also scoring two FBS wins. Yes. |
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Post by thecrossisback on Jan 25, 2023 15:01:47 GMT -5
Now let's play some real Devil's Advocate here. Let's say HC goes 11-0 with TWO FBS wins. I don't think anyone here would scoff at the notion of a 9-0 FCS run, and I don't think it's all that far-fetched to think that HC could drop BC and Army. Somewhat unlikely, sure, but not out of the picture. BC seriously stinks and if HC can gain yardage through the air, they might be able to outscore a service academy running a triple option. So the question is this: Does 11-0 warrant not only a seed, but a top 4 seed? Have to imagine there's little to no precedent for a team from a "weak" league also scoring two FBS wins. If we go 11-0 with wins over Army and BC and don’t get a top 4 seed, I am going to do something bad involving the members of the selection committee. If the Feds are watching, this will not involve physical violence or any other criminal activity. Agree and how does last years playoffs with a different team have an effect on the upcoming year. Unless somebody else undefeated beats a power 5 if we go 12-0 should be the 1 seed! |
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Post by HC92 on Jan 25, 2023 16:17:05 GMT -5
I think the impact of last year is that HC was kind of a unicorn in the land of FCS football. Undefeated team from a weak league with an FBS win and some good but not great FCS wins. The committee had no way to compare that unicorn to things they knew, i.e. how to evaluate 9-2 or 8-3 teams from the top conferences. Now they know. An 11-0 PL team with our resume may be just as good as the Dakotas, et al.
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Post by breezy on Feb 1, 2023 11:59:38 GMT -5
Interesting -- the Holy Cross game against South Dakota State on ESPN had just over 1.5 million viewers.
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