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Post by coneyislanddogs on Mar 9, 2023 21:26:45 GMT -5
You give one scholarship to a player who is able to draw a slide then you split the other on a fogo and a Canadian who can shoot from 15 yds.
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Post by WheelerOnly on Mar 9, 2023 22:08:50 GMT -5
Good strategy. The problem is it’s only 2 scholarships for all 4 classes, so each class gets half a scholarship. When fully funded programs are chasing the same kids, you’ve got to be strategic … and lucky to land the right recruits.
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Post by matunuck on Mar 9, 2023 22:30:33 GMT -5
Had no idea on scholarships or lack of them. Rough to have a sustained competitive program under those circumstances.
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Post by coneyislanddogs on Mar 9, 2023 22:32:14 GMT -5
Ok I guess we have to hope the financially crippled families in the NEPSAC, MIAA, ISL, NJAC, CHSAA, etc can somehow swing part of our (admittedly absurd) tuition at HC. Don’t we like to pretend we provide an Ivy League education experience at HC?
IMHO scholarships are an overrated component of success in a program like ours. I want more of them because it helps, but it would be rare for a player to pick HC over Dartmouth for $.
Stop the excuses. Be more competitive.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 9, 2023 23:01:21 GMT -5
Resource issues clearly exist. Instability has obviously been an issue There are good players on this team from good programs. At some point, hopefully soon, some of them realize they aren’t 10 goals worse than players on a Macon, GA program. Stop the Instagram promo videos and hit the gym/wall/multi-million dollar indoor turf field. Executing beyond -not equal to- expectations is usually how you succeed in sports and life. These men are capable of more right now. I follow LI lax a bit and been to many HS games. We get kids from good programs and good leagues BUT we don’t get the better kids from those programs and leagues. Actually, we do have one better kid from a very good program in a very good league but he’s playing football (and killing it because he’s got the athletic skills of a superior lax kid). Why we don’t is another story and it’s been covered.
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Post by coneyislanddogs on Mar 9, 2023 23:17:20 GMT -5
Agreed. I said good not great. We don’t deserve great players consistently until the good ones we get elevate their play to the point where great ones consider HC because the program has a positive reputation. Momentum builds from there then you get some resources, potentially.
I’m holding institutional issues constant because that’s more realistic, at least in the near term.
And if people want to blame coaching on player performance go for it. I think it’s a freaking miracle we landed the top assistant at Maryland to be the head coach. Should we have hired the top assistant at WPI instead?
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Post by hcpride on Mar 10, 2023 0:03:29 GMT -5
I don’t see us beating our PL lax competition until we land players equal to or better than our PL competition. IMHO that’s been THE problem the last 30 (!) years. I don’t think it is the coaching. (Yes, we’ve won games here and there in the league as exceptions.) Why we don’t recruit lax well has been discu$$ed at length.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 10, 2023 1:16:18 GMT -5
Agreed. I said good not great. We don’t deserve great players consistently until the good ones we get elevate their play to the point where great ones consider HC because the program has a positive reputation. Momentum builds from there then you get some resources, potentially. I’m holding institutional issues constant because that’s more realistic, at least in the near term. And if people want to blame coaching on player performance go for it. I think it’s a freaking miracle we landed the top assistant at Maryland to be the head coach. Should we have hired the top assistant at WPI instead? Maybe we should consider hiring a great D2 or D3 coach? They know how to 1) run a program, 2) do more with less, 3) recruit non-scholarship kids Off the top of my head, guys from bigger programs have fizzled out at HC for I’m sure a variety of reasons - Morrissey and Lattimore immediately come to mind. Would taking the best head coach in the NESCAC, who no doubt knows New England schools and recruiting very well, be better than the top assistant from Maryland? I’m spitballing.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 11, 2023 10:36:55 GMT -5
Home against 4-1 Lehigh today.
Will we keep it competitive?
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Post by alum on Mar 11, 2023 13:02:20 GMT -5
Agreed. I said good not great. We don’t deserve great players consistently until the good ones we get elevate their play to the point where great ones consider HC because the program has a positive reputation. Momentum builds from there then you get some resources, potentially. I’m holding institutional issues constant because that’s more realistic, at least in the near term. And if people want to blame coaching on player performance go for it. I think it’s a freaking miracle we landed the top assistant at Maryland to be the head coach. Should we have hired the top assistant at WPI instead? Maybe we should consider hiring a great D2 or D3 coach? They know how to 1) run a program, 2) do more with less, 3) recruit non-scholarship kids Off the top of my head, guys from bigger programs have fizzled out at HC for I’m sure a variety of reasons - Morrissey and Lattimore immediately come to mind. Would taking the best head coach in the NESCAC, who no doubt knows New England schools and recruiting very well, be better than the top assistant from Maryland? I’m spitballing. Unlike in football or hoops where the head coaching salary spread between HC and a NESCAC is close to a couple hundred grand, I think in lax it is probably closer to $20k. It might not seem to be so attractive to move.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 11, 2023 16:17:39 GMT -5
Lost again, but at least not doubled up for the fifth straight game.
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Post by coneyislanddogs on Mar 11, 2023 19:29:48 GMT -5
A better loss than most others. Need EMO to be more productive and faceoffs seem like an issue. McIntire can play.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 11, 2023 23:30:45 GMT -5
Maybe we should consider hiring a great D2 or D3 coach? They know how to 1) run a program, 2) do more with less, 3) recruit non-scholarship kids Off the top of my head, guys from bigger programs have fizzled out at HC for I’m sure a variety of reasons - Morrissey and Lattimore immediately come to mind. Would taking the best head coach in the NESCAC, who no doubt knows New England schools and recruiting very well, be better than the top assistant from Maryland? I’m spitballing. Unlike in football or hoops where the head coaching salary spread between HC and a NESCAC is close to a couple hundred grand, I think in lax it is probably closer to $20k. It might not seem to be so attractive to move. And the NESCAC job doesn't allow you to have fall ball which means they are only coaching in the spring.
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Post by coneyislanddogs on Mar 12, 2023 13:46:05 GMT -5
I like focusing on the present (current player performance) because everyone knows there are some issues with funding/resources compared to some (or most) of our competition. But scholarships and the academic/professional network prowess of a program should have somewhat of an inverse relationship. Meaning, fewer scholarships shouldn’t matter as much if we view our school’s reputation as better than our competition.
If you’re a good school you should have a good lacrosse team. Chicken or egg?
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Post by hcpride on Mar 12, 2023 17:01:57 GMT -5
I like focusing on the present (current player performance) because everyone knows there are some issues with funding/resources compared to some (or most) of our competition. But scholarships and the academic/professional network prowess of a program should have somewhat of an inverse relationship. Meaning, fewer scholarships shouldn’t matter as much if we view our school’s reputation as better than our competition. If you’re a good school you should have a good lacrosse team. Chicken or egg? So, what schools are similar to us in terms of reputation AND similar to us in terms of lax funding? And how have we done vs those schools?
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Post by HC92 on Mar 13, 2023 6:08:27 GMT -5
It may be buried in one of these threads but does someone who has recently been involved in PL lax recruiting in some capacity know how many athletic scholarships other PL schools have for men’s lax? I suspect at least the non-football schools are able to offer several more than our reported 2. Just trying to quantify it.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 13, 2023 9:35:51 GMT -5
It may be buried in one of these threads but does someone who has recently been involved in PL lax recruiting in some capacity know how many athletic scholarships other PL schools have for men’s lax? I suspect at least the non-football schools are able to offer several more than our reported 2. Just trying to quantify it. Pretty sure BU and Loyola are fully funded to the max
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Post by hcpride on Mar 13, 2023 10:07:02 GMT -5
It may be buried in one of these threads but does someone who has recently been involved in PL lax recruiting in some capacity know how many athletic scholarships other PL schools have for men’s lax? I suspect at least the non-football schools are able to offer several more than our reported 2. Just trying to quantify it. Pretty sure BU and Loyola are fully funded to the max Between that and the Army and Navy situations, it is very tough to compete in PL lacrosse if you go ultralight on the schollies. Plus, given Colgate's prestige, they've got a recruiting advantage over us even if they are going ultralight too. I've thought for the last 30 years that men's lax is in the 'participatory' mode - we don't dedicate the funds necessary to draw in the sort of recuits we'd need to top .500 in PL play or possibly compete for the PL lax championship.) I can see increased schollies enabling us to consistently match (or exceed) the rosters of Lehigh, Laffy, and Bucknell which puts us well on the way to .500 in PL play with an upset here and there.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 13, 2023 10:24:59 GMT -5
I believe Lafayette has increased their schollie $ in recent years so they are likely spending more on men’s lax than Colgate and bucknell as well as HC obviously
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Post by WheelerOnly on Mar 13, 2023 12:16:31 GMT -5
NCAA Div 1 lacrosse allows 12.6 scholarships, divided among 4 years.
My understanding is that HC has 2, which is half a scholarship per class.
My understanding is that BU, Loyola, Lehigh, Army, and Navy offer the full 12.6 scholarships (or are service academies where no one pays tuition).
My understanding is that Colgate is somewhere close to, but not at the full 12.6 and that Lafayette upped its scholarships recently and is now approaching the full 12.6 (don’t know exactly how many either has).
I’ve heard different things about Bucknell, and don’t really know their situation. Some Bucknell posters say they offer zero scholarships and some have said that isn’t true and that even if they don’t offer scholarships, they have lots of ways to provide financial assistance to recruits through different aid packages.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 13, 2023 14:27:43 GMT -5
I always had a feeling that the other core PL teams, perhaps Colgate in particular, outperformed us in getting athletes in without athletic scholarships because it was more imbedded in their admissions/financial aid culture like it is in the Ivies because they had done it longer in football and basketball.
Maybe valid, maybe not.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 13, 2023 16:13:04 GMT -5
Pretty sure BU and Loyola are fully funded to the max Between that and the Army and Navy situations, it is very tough to compete in PL lacrosse if you go ultralight on the schollies. Plus, given Colgate's prestige, they've got a recruiting advantage over us even if they are going ultralight too. I've thought for the last 30 years that men's lax is in the 'participatory' mode - we don't dedicate the funds necessary to draw in the sort of recuits we'd need to top .500 in PL play or possibly compete for the PL lax championship.) I can see increased schollies enabling us to consistently match (or exceed) the rosters of Lehigh, Laffy, and Bucknell which puts us well on the way to .500 in PL play with an upset here and there. Nailed it. Our lax program would be a better fit in the MAAC. Uphill battle in the PL.
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Post by bison137 on Mar 13, 2023 21:31:32 GMT -5
NCAA Div 1 lacrosse allows 12.6 scholarships, divided among 4 years. My understanding is that HC has 2, which is half a scholarship per class. My understanding is that BU, Loyola, Lehigh, Army, and Navy offer the full 12.6 scholarships (or are service academies where no one pays tuition). My understanding is that Colgate is somewhere close to, but not at the full 12.6 and that Lafayette upped its scholarships recently and is now approaching the full 12.6 (don’t know exactly how many either has). I’ve heard different things about Bucknell, and don’t really know their situation. Some Bucknell posters say they offer zero scholarships and some have said that isn’t true and that even if they don’t offer scholarships, they have lots of ways to provide financial assistance to recruits through different aid packages. Boston U. 12.6 scholarships Bucknell 2 scholarships (going to 8 over the next 3+ years) Colgate about 9 scholarships Lafayette about 6 scholarships but may go higher Lehigh close to 12.6 scholarships Loyola 12.6 scholarships
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Post by alum on Mar 14, 2023 10:32:56 GMT -5
NCAA Div 1 lacrosse allows 12.6 scholarships, divided among 4 years. My understanding is that HC has 2, which is half a scholarship per class. My understanding is that BU, Loyola, Lehigh, Army, and Navy offer the full 12.6 scholarships (or are service academies where no one pays tuition). My understanding is that Colgate is somewhere close to, but not at the full 12.6 and that Lafayette upped its scholarships recently and is now approaching the full 12.6 (don’t know exactly how many either has). I’ve heard different things about Bucknell, and don’t really know their situation. Some Bucknell posters say they offer zero scholarships and some have said that isn’t true and that even if they don’t offer scholarships, they have lots of ways to provide financial assistance to recruits through different aid packages. Boston U. 12.6 scholarships Bucknell 2 scholarships (going to 8 over the next 3+ years) Colgate about 9 scholarships Lafayette about 6 scholarships but may go higher Lehigh close to 12.6 scholarships Loyola 12.6 scholarships Well, I guess we know why HC is having trouble competing. Bison--Do you have a feel for how many players on these squads get a piece of the scholarship pie?
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Post by hc87 on Mar 14, 2023 20:53:19 GMT -5
A better loss than most others. Need EMO to be more productive and faceoffs seem like an issue. McIntire can play. McIntire is the son of a friend I grew up with (though he went to Tabor) and a fellow HC alumnus Andy McIntire.....back in the day Tabor was the only high school in this area that played lax. Sport has really boomed at the public school level in this area since then.
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