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Post by sader1970 on Feb 21, 2023 9:29:00 GMT -5
Nothing official, obviously, but interested in what the true Crusader fans here think about this award.
Though I am going on my usual Lenten hiatus (I know, yada, yada, yada), I will check here for results and will post those in 2-3 weeks. I think God will allow that exception.
You're forced to pick one of 5 choices that I've numbered for easy calculation of average answer. However, feel free to comment in the thread if the 1-5 doesn't get to where you wanted to say.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 21, 2023 9:37:46 GMT -5
I guess the idea of the TT is pretty benign, but I find it pretty hard to get amped up about it.
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 21, 2023 10:31:23 GMT -5
Though I am going on my usual Lenten hiatus (I know, yada, yada, yada), I will check here for results and will post those in 2-3 weeks. I think God will allow that exception. I think you've been talking about your upcoming Lenten hiatus for longer than it will actually last.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 21, 2023 10:49:27 GMT -5
Here's the thing, we don't even get a second place "participation trophy" which is the best we could ever expect considering how the Terriers have lots of scholarships for the olympic sports, and don't play sports in which we could easily beat them, football especially. Baseball also comes to mind. The whole concept is skewed against Holy Cross. We play sports that they are very good at (think hockey), they don't compete in sports where we are better at.
At minimum, give us a forfeit win for sports they don't play. Or, make it for just basketball.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 21, 2023 10:52:52 GMT -5
In the TT competition at least HC finishes second regularly, while BU has never been better than next to last.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 21, 2023 10:54:26 GMT -5
Love that "topspin."
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 21, 2023 11:48:53 GMT -5
Nothing official, obviously, but interested in what the true Crusader fans here think about this award. Though I am going on my usual Lenten hiatus (I know, yada, yada, yada), I will check here for results and will post those in 2-3 weeks. I think God will allow that exception.You're forced to pick one of 5 choices that I've numbered for easy calculation of average answer. However, feel free to comment in the thread if the 1-5 doesn't get to where you wanted to say. I know some canon lawyers and will pass this along for review and response,
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 21, 2023 12:30:03 GMT -5
sader1970,
I'll also remind you that there are 40 days of Lent, But there are 46 days between Ash Wednesday and Easter Sunday. The six Sundays between do not count in the days of Lent so if you have to break your Lenten sacrifice, do so on a Sunday and you will not technically be in violation of your Lenten sacrifice.
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Post by Tom on Feb 21, 2023 12:39:55 GMT -5
I give it less than "not much thought"
Now it's a mythical collection of all sports. They used to give out hardware at men's and women's basketball games. I don't think that happens anymore
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 21, 2023 13:12:26 GMT -5
sader1970, I'll also remind you that there are 40 days of Lent, But there are 46 days between Ash Wednesday and Easter Sunday. The six Sundays between do not count in the days of Lent so if you have to break your Lenten sacrifice, do so on a Sunday and you will not technically be in violation of your Lenten sacrifice. Yes, that was my plan so that I would not need a papal dispensation. Like you, having been brought up by a Holy Cross alum, I knew that Sundays "don't count" for Lent but I try to include them anyway - unless something critical, like this, comes up. P.S. The poll "locks" on St. Patrick's Day. So, remember, "Vote early and often" even if you aren't from Chicago.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 21, 2023 13:50:26 GMT -5
A nice idea, in theory, that has fallen totally flat for several reasons --
1) It's hard to manufacture a rivalry. When has that ever worked? Rivalries happen organically. Here's one definition of a sports rivalry: "a fluctuating adversarial relationship existing between two teams, players, or groups of fans, gaining significance through on-field competition, on-field or off-field incidences, proximity, demographic makeup, and/or historical occurrences"
Of the five instances mentioned here, HC and BU don't have many noteworthy historical occurrences, the schools are pretty different demographically (both students and alums), and there haven't been any on or off field incidences I'm aware of. Besides proximity, hence the name "Turnpike Trophy", there just isn't much here tying the schools together.
2) BU not playing football makes it hard for a true rivalry to develop, IMO. We also don't play in hockey. BU doesn't have baseball. Besides basketball, all other sports we play them in would be considered "minor"...makes it difficult to develop a rivalry that way.
3) For a rivalry to develop, don't both sides need to win every so often? I can't think of a one-sided rivalry. BU largely dominates us across the board, don't they?
4) Rivalries at HC -- at least in the era of the PL (i.e. post BC) -- have developed on a per sport basis, rather than the entire athletic program. When we had a great rivalry with Bucknell from roughly 2004-09, that was in men's basketball only. We seem to have a rivalry brewing with Fordham in football...but only football. It didn't tip over into other sports. Unfortunately, it can't really since they're in the A10. Which is another interesting point -- can't have a rivalry with a school that's not in your conference.
The "Turnpike Trophy" was a bullet point on Pine's resume. No harm in trying to develop something here with a school that's 45 minutes down the road and in the PL...but it's been a flop.
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Post by Tom on Feb 21, 2023 15:53:10 GMT -5
A nice idea, in theory, that has fallen totally flat for several reasons -- 1) It's hard to manufacture a rivalry. When has that ever worked? Rivalries happen organically. Here's one definition of a sports rivalry: "a fluctuating adversarial relationship existing between two teams, players, or groups of fans, gaining significance through on-field competition, on-field or off-field incidences, proximity, demographic makeup, and/or historical occurrences" Of the five instances mentioned here, HC and BU don't have many noteworthy historical occurrences, the schools are pretty different demographically (both students and alums), and there haven't been any on or off field incidences I'm aware of. Besides proximity, hence the name "Turnpike Trophy", there just isn't much here tying the schools together. 2) BU not playing football makes it hard for a true rivalry to develop, IMO. We also don't play in hockey. BU doesn't have baseball. Besides basketball, all other sports we play them in would be considered "minor"...makes it difficult to develop a rivalry that way. 3) For a rivalry to develop, don't both sides need to win every so often? I can't think of a one-sided rivalry. BU largely dominates us across the board, don't they? 4) Rivalries at HC -- at least in the era of the PL (i.e. post BC) -- have developed on a per sport basis, rather than the entire athletic program. When we had a great rivalry with Bucknell from roughly 2004-09, that was in men's basketball only. We seem to have a rivalry brewing with Fordham in football...but only football. It didn't tip over into other sports. Unfortunately, it can't really since they're in the A10. Which is another interesting point -- can't have a rivalry with a school that's not in your conference. The "Turnpike Trophy" was a bullet point on Pine's resume. No harm in trying to develop something here with a school that's 45 minutes down the road and in the PL...but it's been a flop. Red Sox- Yankees was pretty one sided for a lot of years. I will say the same about the Cardinals- Cubs. In both cases it might have been a one sided rivalry. I'm not sure if 20th century Yankees cared as much about the Red Sox as Red Sox fans obsessed about the Yankees. Same holds true for Cubs and Cardinals. Cetlics - Lakers was pretty one sided before Magic came to town
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Post by Tom on Feb 21, 2023 15:54:39 GMT -5
sader1970, I'll also remind you that there are 40 days of Lent, But there are 46 days between Ash Wednesday and Easter Sunday. The six Sundays between do not count in the days of Lent so if you have to break your Lenten sacrifice, do so on a Sunday and you will not technically be in violation of your Lenten sacrifice. Yes, that was my plan so that I would not need a papal dispensation. Like you, having been brought up by a Holy Cross alum, I knew that Sundays "don't count" for Lent but I try to include them anyway - unless something critical, like this, comes up. P.S. The poll "locks" on St. Patrick's Day. So, remember, "Vote early and often" even if you aren't from Chicago. Will you also be looking for a dispensation to eat corned beef while tallying results on Friday the 17th?
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Post by timholycross on Feb 21, 2023 18:56:43 GMT -5
I give it less than "not much thought" Now it's a mythical collection of all sports. They used to give out hardware at men's and women's basketball games. I don't think that happens anymore I don't think of it much. As far as the "rivalry" goes, so many of the sports are weighed heavily in BU's favor because they have 6 times the undergraduates HC has (not to mention graduates who are eligible). In the minor sports, when there's no or few scholarships; that makes a world of difference.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 21, 2023 20:05:51 GMT -5
Short answer: no. I never touch the stuff but Irish grandfather loved it. I'd rather eat pastrami (there MUST be some Jewish in me . . . . like George Santos ).
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Post by timholycross on Feb 21, 2023 23:43:57 GMT -5
Irish Soda Bread, si. Corned Beef, no; w/cabbage, triple no.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 22, 2023 6:07:52 GMT -5
I give it less than "not much thought" Now it's a mythical collection of all sports. They used to give out hardware at men's and women's basketball games. I don't think that happens anymore I don't think of it much. As far as the "rivalry" goes, so many of the sports are weighed heavily in BU's favor because they have 6 times the undergraduates HC has (not to mention graduates who are eligible). In the minor sports, when there's no or few scholarships; that makes a world of difference. And on top of that, BU DOES give many more scholarships than HC in those sports.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 22, 2023 9:37:47 GMT -5
Two things that can't be fabricated with meaningful results: your own nickname*, and a rivalry. If HC won consistently in a sport, a rivalry would develop naturally. Think of when HC and Bucknell were going at it for basketball. It wasn't anything that the schools had to push. They were intense match ups with animated coaches, talented players, villains (looking at you, Griffin), and either team could win. Both teams would come into a game with strong records. It wouldn't be a slap fight between bottom feeders, or a complete steamrolling by incompatible teams. Rivalries can shift. I would say our football rival during my years was probably Colgate, since we were decent, and they were better, and they tended to get the better of us. Clashing consistently over a period of time with success on the line creates a rivalry. I think that's Fordham the last few years in football. In basketball, since we don't have too many clashes that mean life or death in the league, and Bucknell has also waned, I think the rivalries have all largely cooled. Win, and you don't need a "trophy" series. This isn't the iron bowl.
*Kobe Bryant calling himself the black mamba because it's the most dangerous venomous snake was really insufferable.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 23, 2023 14:33:19 GMT -5
Two things that can't be fabricated with meaningful results: your own nickname*, and a rivalry. If HC won consistently in a sport, a rivalry would develop naturally. Think of when HC and Bucknell were going at it for basketball. It wasn't anything that the schools had to push. They were intense match ups with animated coaches, talented players, villains (looking at you, Griffin), and either team could win. Both teams would come into a game with strong records. It wouldn't be a slap fight between bottom feeders, or a complete steamrolling by incompatible teams. Rivalries can shift. I would say our football rival during my years was probably Colgate, since we were decent, and they were better, and they tended to get the better of us. Clashing consistently over a period of time with success on the line creates a rivalry. I think that's Fordham the last few years in football.In basketball, since we don't have too many clashes that mean life or death in the league, and Bucknell has also waned, I think the rivalries have all largely cooled. Win, and you don't need a "trophy" series. This isn't the iron bowl.
*Kobe Bryant calling himself the black mamba because it's the most dangerous venomous snake was really insufferable.
Colgate would be a much better candidate than BU for a true all-sports rivalry. Good analogy with the football rivalry that's waned in recent years as Colgate has not been able to come anywhere close to keeping up with the Chesney machine after their terrific 2018 season. During the time period when the HC-Bucknell hoops rivalry was hot, the HC-'Gate football rivalry was definitely there as well. And a basketball rivalry with the Red Raiders hasn't taken off because aside from maybe the 07-08 and 08-09 seasons, we've never both been so much as decent at the same time in this sport. And, like BU, Colgate is a better DI men's hockey conference than us, but doesn't play us regularly -- hockey has much fewer non-conference games than basketball so not accusing those 2 of dodging us or anything like that, but it takes games to be played in all major sports to form a true rivalry IMO. Of course, I believe Colgate was rumored to have been one of the schools that voted against our entry into ECAC almost 20 years ago now, when Quinnipiac was ultimately chosen to replace Vermont.
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 5, 2023 14:17:24 GMT -5
Since I received a Lenten dispensation for Sundays (not really as I know from my altar boy days that Sundays are not Lent), I looked only at this thread and see no real activity which, to me demonstrates how worthless this trophy is.
So, my question is to ask if any Crossporters has actually seen this trophy? While I have been to many BU-HC Turnpike Trophy games, since they don’t award it at each game and only at the end of the season to my understanding, I honestly can say I don’t think I’ve ever laid eyes on it and since we’ve never won it nor expect we ever will, I think we can assume it resides permanently somewhere on the BU campus and they just engrave another year each time.
Now back to my sack cloth and ashes. 😉
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 5, 2023 15:10:20 GMT -5
The Turnpike Trophy
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Post by lou on Mar 5, 2023 15:30:58 GMT -5
Coach Magarity sure seemed to consider BU to be a rivalry team.
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Post by Tom on Mar 5, 2023 18:58:59 GMT -5
So, my question is to ask if any Crossporters has actually seen this trophy? While I have been to many BU-HC Turnpike Trophy games, since they don’t award it at each game and only at the end of the season to my understanding, I honestly can say I don’t think I’ve ever laid eyes on it and since we’ve never won it nor expect we ever will, I think we can assume it resides permanently somewhere on the BU campus and they just engrave another year each time. Now back to my sack cloth and ashes. 😉 When it was new, it was handed out after both mens basketball games and I saw it then
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 5, 2023 19:10:27 GMT -5
We have a bigger rivalry against South Dakota St than we do BU.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 5, 2023 19:19:09 GMT -5
Only in football so not a fair comparison.
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