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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 27, 2023 13:20:09 GMT -5
I hope we hire the best coach available regardless of the path they have taken to this point. We have over compensated each of our last 3 hires after Kearney. Other than Brown it’s been a horrific strategy. So Carmody wasn't a success when he brought HC to the NCAA Tournament for the first time without Ralph Willard on the bench since 1993? That year also was the first NCAA win (opening round though) since 1953.
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Post by trimster on Feb 27, 2023 15:10:25 GMT -5
Just more Social Media Chatter: Who knows if there is a scintilla of truth to this but if there is, Kit needs to call a plumber.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 27, 2023 15:32:11 GMT -5
I hope we hire the best coach available regardless of the path they have taken to this point. We have over compensated each of our last 3 hires after Kearney. Other than Brown it’s been a horrific strategy. Agree totally about the horrific strategy of overpaying coaches before they show they can win at Holy Cross. Powder should be kept dry for a second contract/extension as a retention tool, just as things worked with Chesney. The question about your first point is what is the criteria to judge whether a long term assistant who has not been a head coach, is the best coach available?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 27, 2023 15:39:01 GMT -5
They can't take a chance on an assistant this time, they just can't. I don't care how boring or uninteresting the selection is to the outside world, I want someone who has consistently won in the FIRST chair.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 27, 2023 16:10:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure I want to be shocked by a big name signing a huge contract to be HC of HC. If Mr. Big can't duplicate at the unique environment of Holy Cross what he accomplished elsewhere, we are really stuck with him. A mountain of cash to buy him out and move on and his salary and other amenities agreed to possibly effecting money available to support football and other sports which are improving.
I'd be more comfortable if the extra cash available was from direct donations made specifically to finance hiring a big name MBB coach, with no chance of taking resources away from other sports. But Kit and TPTB will figure it out.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 27, 2023 16:12:14 GMT -5
They can't take a chance on an assistant this time, they just can't. I don't care how boring or uninteresting the selection is to the outside world, I want someone who has consistently won in the FIRST chair. Nailed it.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 27, 2023 16:21:38 GMT -5
I'll be happy with Andy Sachs or any of the other lower division head coaches with consistent winning records that have been mentioned on the board. We're offering a terrific opportunity. Go with someone willing to bet on himself and has a winning track record to present to recruits. Imagine a former assistant coach with no wins presenting a program with years of consecutive losing seasons to recruits? That was Nelson when he arrived.
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Post by Xmassader on Feb 27, 2023 16:35:35 GMT -5
They can't take a chance on an assistant this time, they just can't. I don't care how boring or uninteresting the selection is to the outside world, I want someone who has consistently won in the FIRST chair. NAD Amen I say to you…and that tweet, if accurate, has all of the earmarks of Parker on it. The high major assistant with no head coaching experience has brought us FHCSK and HCBN. As I said in another recent post, the words of George Santayana and Albert Einstein seem appropriate if we go down that road yet again.
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Post by hcmawfawo on Feb 27, 2023 16:45:27 GMT -5
I'll be happy with Andy Sachs or any of the other lower division head coaches with consistent winning records that have been mentioned on the board. We're offering a terrific opportunity. Go with someone willing to bet on himself and has a winning track record to present to recruits. Imagine a former assistant coach with no wins presenting a program with years of consecutive losing seasons to recruits? That was Nelson when he arrived. Always a challenge to predict what might motivate a HS or portal entrant. Possibly a coach who played at the highest levels in Final Fours this century with high major coaching and player development experience might be more influential than a person whose most recent stops were DIII and the community college level but hard to know for sure.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 27, 2023 19:11:43 GMT -5
Will HC decides to make a change, will it adapt a 'Rooney Rule' (from NFL) and broaden the search and therefore delay the ultimate decision (losing critical weeks to rebuild the roster) ? Have not heard of anything like this in college basketball. Someone they may want to hire they will have to assume is wanted by another school. "He who hesitates is lost"
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 27, 2023 20:18:53 GMT -5
I'll be happy with Andy Sachs or any of the other lower division head coaches with consistent winning records that have been mentioned on the board. We're offering a terrific opportunity. Go with someone willing to bet on himself and has a winning track record to present to recruits. Imagine a former assistant coach with no wins presenting a program with years of consecutive losing seasons to recruits? That was Nelson when he arrived. Always a challenge to predict what might motivate a HS or portal entrant. Possibly a coach who played at the highest levels in Final Fours this century with high major coaching and player development experience might be more influential than a person whose most recent stops were DIII and the community college level but hard to know for sure. Good points. I liked when Chesney arrived that he didn't have a winning Holy Cross program to present to current players or recruits or fans, but he had his own winning record for them to hang on to and felt bad for Nelson he had neither. I remember thinking that HC football was mired in mediocrity with the arrow pointing down and they were able to buy an instant change in the aura around the program by hiring a local guy with a great record of success. I don't know if others remember it that way that the whole perception of the team changed instantly, particularly locally when the hire was announced? Like you say BN had an impressive background in basketball to present and he got some good recruits in the door. I'm still hoping for a miracle four game sweep through the PLT.
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 28, 2023 9:27:24 GMT -5
Always a challenge to predict what might motivate a HS or portal entrant. Possibly a coach who played at the highest levels in Final Fours this century with high major coaching and player development experience might be more influential than a person whose most recent stops were DIII and the community college level but hard to know for sure. Good points. I liked when Chesney arrived that he didn't have a winning Holy Cross program to present to current players or recruits or fans, but he had his own winning record for them to hang on to and felt bad for Nelson he had neither. I remember thinking that HC football was mired in mediocrity with the arrow pointing down and they were able to buy an instant change in the aura around the program by hiring a local guy with a great record of success. I don't know if others remember it that way that the whole perception of the team changed instantly, particularly locally when the hire was announced? Like you say BN had an impressive background in basketball to present and he got some good recruits in the door. I'm still hoping for a miracle four game sweep through the PLT. One HUGE difference: Chesney has embraced everything Holy Cross from the moment he was hired. He made (and continues to make) the rounds across the country - visiting Alumni Clubs and the like. He attends other HC sporting events. He and his wife were in NYC last Spring for the NY Leadership Council dinner honoring Frank Vellacchio (sp?). Has BN done any of these things? If he had embraced HC at 50% of what Chesney has done, I'll bet he'd have a lot more support from everyone - even on this board, and there would be serious consideration of giving him another year or two to prove that he can win. My thinking is that if he can't embrace us, we should find someone who can - and will. .
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Post by trimster on Feb 28, 2023 11:54:28 GMT -5
Idaho fired Zac Claus today or yesterday. His record was 28-88 over the last 4 years.
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Post by Ray on Feb 28, 2023 12:07:28 GMT -5
Idaho fired Zac Claus today or yesterday. His record was 28-88 over the last 4 years. Nelson needs to win tonight to tie Claus in the Win column (27-83, incl D-3).
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 28, 2023 12:15:06 GMT -5
With an HC loss tonight - Claus would still have the distinction of having the worst record among fired coaches this cycle - .241 vs .243 (Nelson) but I doubt Idaho has as many D.2-3 wins which would give Nelson the crown if you consider D.1 records only
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 28, 2023 12:26:08 GMT -5
Gee, wasn't Claus an assistant at a successful D-1 program before he got the job at Idaho?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 28, 2023 12:41:34 GMT -5
Actually, Idaho has played six non-D1 teams in the last four years.
Unlike Nelson, Claus won them all.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 28, 2023 12:53:47 GMT -5
Gee, wasn't Claus an assistant at a successful D-1 program before he got the job at Idaho? Claus spent ten years at Nevada, which made six postseason appearances during his time there.
For six of those ten seasons he was the DOBO.
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Post by hc17 on Feb 28, 2023 13:05:54 GMT -5
Are we sure John Becker would not be interested...
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Post by coachrt on Feb 28, 2023 13:19:10 GMT -5
Are we sure John Becker would not be interested... Never say never. It's a crazy business. You never know how a search will turn out.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 28, 2023 13:56:43 GMT -5
Good points. I liked when Chesney arrived that he didn't have a winning Holy Cross program to present to current players or recruits or fans, but he had his own winning record for them to hang on to and felt bad for Nelson he had neither. I remember thinking that HC football was mired in mediocrity with the arrow pointing down and they were able to buy an instant change in the aura around the program by hiring a local guy with a great record of success. I don't know if others remember it that way that the whole perception of the team changed instantly, particularly locally when the hire was announced? Like you say BN had an impressive background in basketball to present and he got some good recruits in the door. I'm still hoping for a miracle four game sweep through the PLT. One HUGE difference: Chesney has embraced everything Holy Cross from the moment he was hired. He made (and continues to make) the rounds across the country - visiting Alumni Clubs and the like. He attends other HC sporting events. He and his wife were in NYC last Spring for the NY Leadership Council dinner honoring Frank Vellacchio (sp?). Has BN done any of these things? If he had embraced HC at 50% of what Chesney has done, I'll bet he'd have a lot more support from everyone - even on this board, and there would be serious consideration of giving him another year or two to prove that he can win. My thinking is that if he can't embrace us, we should find someone who can - and will. . Yes, you zeroed in on a key difference. Perhaps FADNP could pick up on this aspect of head coaching at HC during his search for a football coach better than FADMB when he had to start the search for a new MBB coach. Now that Kit has seen how the HC community responds to different personality types, he should factor that in during the selection process for the next head coach of a major sport at Holy Cross.
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Post by spenser on Feb 28, 2023 15:56:18 GMT -5
Are we sure John Becker would not be interested... Never say never. It's a crazy business. You never know how a search will turn out. The Becker dream forgets two important factors. The UVM job may be a better one than ours. The guy has a successful program and he’s established a life for he and his family in Burlington. Secondly, who is to say that the same factor that interfered with him getting the UMass job don’t arise again. The effect on his family etc. Not to mention the uproar at HC. i can see the demonstrators sitting on the floor of mahogany row now.
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Post by hc17 on Feb 28, 2023 16:31:56 GMT -5
What if family brings him to Worcester? If we’re willing to spend, I’m not sure if there is a better candidate.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 28, 2023 16:54:50 GMT -5
What happened with Becker’s UMass issue ?
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Post by spenser on Feb 28, 2023 17:23:17 GMT -5
What happened with Becker’s UMass issue ? There was an alleged rape by one of his players that it’s alleged that the school covered up. Some, not many details available via Google.
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