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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 1, 2023 22:37:58 GMT -5
Holy Cross is a more difficult job than Vermont, no? (Typically a more competitive league, actual academic requirements, in the dumps for the past 13 years, etc.) So how would you expect him to perform better at HC than he has at Vermont? Of course he would be a step up from what we've had in the past four coaches, but that is not the bar we should be setting. I want someone who can get us where RW had us (and win a game in the NCAA), and Becker's resume suggests that he ain't it. Yes this is a high bar, but that's what we should be shooting for. When RW was at a place sort of like Vermont (Western Kentucky), he went to the Sweet 16. Wait ! Exactly how is Western Kentucky sort of like Vermont ? Yea...how is Western Kentucky ANYTHING like UVM?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 1, 2023 22:50:22 GMT -5
Holy Cross is a more difficult job than Vermont, no? (Typically a more competitive league, actual academic requirements, in the dumps for the past 13 years, etc.) So how would you expect him to perform better at HC than he has at Vermont? Of course he would be a step up from what we've had in the past four coaches, but that is not the bar we should be setting. I want someone who can get us where RW had us (and win a game in the NCAA), and Becker's resume suggests that he ain't it. Yes this is a high bar, but that's what we should be shooting for. When RW was at a place sort of like Vermont (Western Kentucky), he went to the Sweet 16. Wait ! Exactly how is Western Kentucky sort of like Vermont ? Mid-majors No academic requirements Don’t know what WKU’s history was at the time, but doubt they were better than Vermont has been If you gave RW 8 years at Vermont, he would have won at least one NCAA game.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 1, 2023 23:14:12 GMT -5
WKU is one of the winningest programs in D-1 history.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 2, 2023 8:20:40 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Mar 2, 2023 8:36:02 GMT -5
Final Four contestant; although wiped out due to Jim McDaniels signing with an agent or something like that.
One of our victories in the 1954 NIT run; 9 NIT appearances when that tournament meant something, including a finals appearance.
Meanwhile, Vermont won the Yankee Conference in its inaugural season....and never won that league again.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 2, 2023 10:02:21 GMT -5
WKU is one of the winningest programs in D-1 history. Last 25 Years WKU: 504-302 ( .625) --- 7 NCAA apps UVM: 531-261 ( .670). --- 8 NCAA apps 10 Years before RW & JB Arrived: WKU: 172-127 ( .575) --- 3 NCAA apps, 20 Wins Baby in 3 of 10 years UVM: 215-104 ( .674) --- 4 NCAA apps, 20 Wins Baby in 8 of 10 years End.
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Post by coachrt on Mar 2, 2023 10:41:33 GMT -5
Wait ! Exactly how is Western Kentucky sort of like Vermont ? Mid-majors No academic requirements Don’t know what WKU’s history was at the time, but doubt they were better than Vermont has been If you gave RW 8 years at Vermont, he would have won at least one NCAA game. Might want to do some research before posting. Vermont has been considered one of the public ivies. It has a good academic reputation and strong majors. Sure you can get athletes in that you couldn't at Holy Cross but they don't accept everyone.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 2, 2023 10:48:34 GMT -5
Mid-majors No academic requirements Don’t know what WKU’s history was at the time, but doubt they were better than Vermont has been If you gave RW 8 years at Vermont, he would have won at least one NCAA game. Might want to do some research before posting. Vermont has been considered one of the public ivies. It has a good academic reputation and strong majors. Sure you can get athletes in that you couldn't at Holy Cross but they don't accept everyone. I have a green ball cap that I got from a former student who attended Vermont. She kept me up to date for a number of years and my wife and I had a second home in Wilmington, VT so I learned about the college. That summary is pretty much right on.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 2, 2023 11:01:54 GMT -5
It better be a Public Ivy for the cost of attendance for an out-of-stater! Same for UNH. And you best believe in a state that has an overall population comparable to the City of Boston, a much larger number of kids are not residents.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 2, 2023 11:30:37 GMT -5
One important difference between leading the basketball programs at U Vermont vs Western Kentucky: WKU is in the basketball hotbed of Kentucky while UVM is in a state which does not produce a lot of basketball players, For example, Kentucky has produced 117 NBA players while no man born in Vermont has ever made the NBA. Of course coaches must recruit from out-of-state, but it's particularly important at a program like Vermont.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 2, 2023 11:46:38 GMT -5
While certainly better than us the last ten years or so, I'd say Vermont to HC is generally a lateral move so I would not imagine a successful UVM coach wanting to make that move. UVM does seem to cast a VERY wide net (geographically) to recuit players to their campus up there (top three scorers are from Indiana, California, and Oregon, for example) and there may be a lesson or two we can glean from that given our own (very) substantial recruiting difficulties.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 2, 2023 11:48:25 GMT -5
Plus whatever conferences WKU has been, are all stronger-much stronger than the AE
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Post by hcmawfawo on Mar 2, 2023 11:55:52 GMT -5
If there was an over/under on the principal discussion on this board two days after the end of the HC regular season — wouldn’t have predicted the relevant merits of UVM vs Western Kentucky.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 2, 2023 12:46:35 GMT -5
If there was an over/under on the principal discussion on this board two days after the end of the HC regular season — wouldn’t have predicted the relevant merits of UVM vs Western Kentucky. "Clarence Glover.....Air Ball" Remember Mr. E saying that on more than one occasion when he was the play-by-play guy for the 71-72 Celtics.
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Post by hcmawfawo on Mar 2, 2023 14:08:27 GMT -5
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Post by res on Mar 2, 2023 14:33:39 GMT -5
It better be a Public Ivy for the cost of attendance for an out-of-stater! Same for UNH. And you best believe in a state that has an overall population comparable to the City of Boston, a much larger number of kids are not residents. Hahaha, when I used to run into out-of-state parents when I was visiting my son at William & Mary, I would offer to kiss the ground they were standing upon. Most of them would laugh...
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 2, 2023 17:40:02 GMT -5
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Post by bison137 on Mar 2, 2023 18:45:53 GMT -5
That is kind of a silly tweet. Almost everyone knew Nathan Davis was likely to be fired. This person acts as if he was prescient with having Davis on the list.
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Post by saderfan2020 on Mar 2, 2023 19:54:23 GMT -5
Mid-majors No academic requirements Don’t know what WKU’s history was at the time, but doubt they were better than Vermont has been If you gave RW 8 years at Vermont, he would have won at least one NCAA game. Might want to do some research before posting. Vermont has been considered one of the public ivies. It has a good academic reputation and strong majors. Sure you can get athletes in that you couldn't at Holy Cross but they don't accept everyone. Public ivy? is it? As im sure you're aware, there is no such thing as an actual public ivy as it's just an athletic conference. Furthermore, its not near a top 8 public university in the country (University of California–Berkeley, University of California–Los Angeles, University of Michigan–Ann Arbor, University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill, University of Virginia, College of William & Mary, Georgia Institute of Technology just to name a few exponentially better schools) Schools in the PL and IVY have relatively strict recruiting standards but that's more akin to the league than any specific school. Stanford is pretty strict on their recruits, but they allow a ton of leniency because they play in the PAC-12 and need to compete with the Oregon's and Utah's of the world. duke, NW, vandy, ect seemingly have no criteria in academics besides the NCAA regulations so I highly doubt that the higher-ups at Vermont care so deeply about upholding some tradition of their ideal student-athlete.
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Post by Crosser on Mar 2, 2023 20:59:54 GMT -5
I'd love to see Holy Cross adopt the "pretty strict on their recruits, but they allow a ton of leniency" standard for our recruiting and kick the AI to the curb. With an emphasis on the ton of leniency.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 2, 2023 22:26:04 GMT -5
While certainly better than us the last ten years or so, I'd say Vermont to HC is generally a lateral move so I would not imagine a successful UVM coach wanting to make that move. UVM does seem to cast a VERY wide net (geographically) to recuit players to their campus up there (top three scorers are from Indiana, California, and Oregon, for example) and there may be a lesson or two we can glean from that given our own (very) substantial recruiting difficulties. And UNH to HC is a lateral move...thanks for agreeing with me finally about MM.
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Post by bison137 on Mar 2, 2023 22:32:03 GMT -5
While certainly better than us the last ten years or so, I'd say Vermont to HC is generally a lateral move so I would not imagine a successful UVM coach wanting to make that move. UVM does seem to cast a VERY wide net (geographically) to recuit players to their campus up there (top three scorers are from Indiana, California, and Oregon, for example) and there may be a lesson or two we can glean from that given our own (very) substantial recruiting difficulties. And UNH to HC is a lateral move...thanks for agreeing with me finally about MM. BIG difference between UVM and UNH.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 2, 2023 23:00:37 GMT -5
And UNH to HC is a lateral move...thanks for agreeing with me finally about MM. BIG difference between UVM and UNH. Not really
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Post by spenser on Mar 2, 2023 23:10:12 GMT -5
BIG difference between UVM and UNH. Not really No. The difference is BIG!
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 2, 2023 23:13:59 GMT -5
No. The difference is BIG! Both are hockey schools with subpar gyms and zero NCAA WBB appearances in the last 13 years. So please tell me how they are different???
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