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Post by HC13 on Mar 3, 2023 11:03:21 GMT -5
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 3, 2023 11:45:29 GMT -5
Allen vs. Berger. Soooo close . . . Minutes - Berger Points - Berger FG% - Berger FT% - Berger Rebounds - Berger Assists - Berger Steals - Berger TO's (fewer) - Berger PFs (fewer) - Berger ORtg - Berger DRtg - Berger FTR - Berger Win Shares - Berger Efficiency - Berger etc. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/holy-cross/women/2023.html
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 3, 2023 11:47:29 GMT -5
I thought Berger in front of Allen, but what do I know.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 3, 2023 11:50:48 GMT -5
That's what I thought - they missed on that one but 3rd team in a lousy league is not that big of a deal Lindsay will be on one of those teams next year
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Post by lou on Mar 3, 2023 11:53:12 GMT -5
4 of 5 first place spots to 1st and 3rd place teams
None to 2nd place team
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 3, 2023 12:05:17 GMT -5
So taking second place and splitting two games with the regular season champion without a first team player on the team. Does that make MM a solid candidate for Coach of the Year/ In any case, it does appear to underscore the depth of talent on this team,
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Post by timholycross on Mar 3, 2023 12:16:50 GMT -5
4 of 5 first place spots to 1st and 3rd place teams None to 2nd place team I don't think we had a first team player; not the screwing that Gates got anyway.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 3, 2023 12:45:53 GMT -5
I'm sure I am more torqued off about Berger's omission than most, and equally sure that Lindsay couldn't care less. She's the most self-effacing kid in interviews, deflecting all praise towards her teammates, and almost embarrassed to talk about herself. Great personality to go with her rapidly-developing skill set.
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Post by HC13 on Mar 3, 2023 12:54:26 GMT -5
So taking second place and splitting two games with the regular season champion without a first team player on the team. Does that make MM a solid candidate for Coach of the Year/ In any case, it does appear to underscore the depth of talent on this team, To be honest, at the beginning of the season, I thought it likely that they would finish either 4 or 5th and doubted the pre-season poll that picked them 3rd. A rare instance where the pre-season team mirrors the post -season - difference Johnson was the preseason POY, and Therien was 1st team vs Hunter. 2022-23 Women’s Basketball Preseason Poll Boston University – 160 (16 first-place votes) Lehigh – 136 (2) Holy Cross – 127 (2) Bucknell – 115 Army West Point – 93 Lafayette – 78 Colgate – 64 American – 58 Loyola Maryland – 39 Navy – 30
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Mar 3, 2023 13:08:15 GMT -5
Madison Schiller not being named to the rookie team is an oversight in my view. Very surprised.
Flanagan is well deserved on the team. She's only going to get better too.
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Post by HC13 on Mar 3, 2023 13:12:12 GMT -5
I'm sure I am more torqued off about Berger's omission than most, and sure that Lindsay couldn't care less. She's the most self-effacing kid in interviews, deflecting all praise towards her teammates, and almost embarrassed to talk about herself. Great personality to go with her rapidly-developing skill set. In my book, she's the team MVP. If she did not have a transformative year, the team would not have succeed as well as they did.
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Post by HC13 on Mar 3, 2023 13:17:44 GMT -5
Madison Schiller not being named to the rookie team is an oversight in my view. Very surprised. Flanagan is well deserved on the team. She's only going to get better too. I was very surprised, particularly as Fandre never had a ROW award and she was not particularly impressive in her 2 games vs HC. Schiller is very good
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Mar 3, 2023 13:38:39 GMT -5
Madison Schiller not being named to the rookie team is an oversight in my view. Very surprised. Flanagan is well deserved on the team. She's only going to get better too. I was very surprised, particularly as Fandre never had a ROW award and she was not particularly impressive in her 2 games vs HC. Schiller is very good And Theodorssen at Bucknell was so up and down and doesn't have the numbers Schiller does. Schiller is a top notch defender in the league overall too (among all classes). She also helped Colgate make a leap this year while Bucknell slid back.
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Post by HC13 on Mar 6, 2023 11:24:30 GMT -5
BPC makes the PL All-Academic team Bravo ! Didn't realize that it been awhile since one of our players made first team
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 6, 2023 11:55:32 GMT -5
Outstanding, and a tip of the cap to Lehigh for having two players make All-Academic.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Mar 6, 2023 13:44:24 GMT -5
I'm sure I am more torqued off about Berger's omission than most, and equally sure that Lindsay couldn't care less. She's the most self-effacing kid in interviews, deflecting all praise towards her teammates, and almost embarrassed to talk about herself. Great personality to go with her rapidly-developing skill set. Don't coaches nominate players from their own teams to be on a ballot that then gets presented to all the voters (coaches, SIDs?). Berger was likely not voted onto a post season team because she was not nominated by MM. She deferred to the upperclassman? Look at Shaffer from Bucknell.....didn't make a team and nearly averaged a double double for them. I would agree Berger made a bigger impact this season but maybe I am influenced a bit by her performance because it came as a bit of a surprise.
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Post by HC13 on Mar 6, 2023 14:03:47 GMT -5
I don't know the nominating process, but if she was not nominated - a crime. We could also quibble about 2 lafayette players on the 3rd team ahead of both Shaffer & Berger. Shaffer, at least in part hurt by Bucknell underperforming this year.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Mar 6, 2023 14:07:49 GMT -5
I don't know for sure either, but I would imagine there is a ballot pulled together by the league office based on the nominations presented by each coach.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Mar 6, 2023 14:11:58 GMT -5
In nomination ballot processes....if that's the case here......sometimes coaches do not put forth a ton of nominations because it could split a vote and limit the chance to put a player on a post-season awards team. I could see MM having to decide between her two posts and then choosing the older player.
And coaches usually know the most with regard to coachability, maturity, off the court issues, etc that could influence their support for a player.
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Post by bison137 on Mar 6, 2023 15:21:39 GMT -5
I'm sure I am more torqued off about Berger's omission than most, and equally sure that Lindsay couldn't care less. She's the most self-effacing kid in interviews, deflecting all praise towards her teammates, and almost embarrassed to talk about herself. Great personality to go with her rapidly-developing skill set. Don't coaches nominate players from their own teams to be on a ballot that then gets presented to all the voters (coaches, SIDs?). Berger was likely not voted onto a post season team because she was not nominated by MM. She deferred to the upperclassman? Look at Shaffer from Bucknell.....didn't make a team and nearly averaged a double double for them. I would agree Berger made a bigger impact this season but maybe I am influenced a bit by her performance because it came as a bit of a surprise. yes, the coaches nominate players for consideration. It is possible if the list is very long that the office might whittle it down but I don’t think that happens. As for the voting, it is only the coaches who vote. Shaffer, BTW, averaged about 11 PPG and 11 RPG in league games. She had one game late in the season where she had 21 rebounds.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Mar 6, 2023 16:16:32 GMT -5
Shaffer should have been selected. But perhaps she was not nominated.
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Post by bison137 on Mar 6, 2023 17:30:50 GMT -5
Shaffer should have been selected. But perhaps she was not nominated. That is definitely not the case. I doubt there’s ever been a legitimate candidate who was not nominated.
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