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Post by nhteamer on Apr 23, 2024 8:47:53 GMT -5
sorry for the misplaced response.
I predict Power ends up at Princeton.
Chris Young, now general manager of the Texas Rangers, wanted to play baseball and basketball in college.
SMU wouldn't let him play baseball and Texas wouldn't let him play basketballl. His dad worked at a bank and the president of the bank called Princeton and told them of the quandary. Princeton said no problem. He played both brilliantly, pitched in the Majors for eight years and now is the GM of the Rangers.
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Post by hcnj on Apr 23, 2024 11:17:36 GMT -5
Maybe I'll get more excited if there is news soon of a quality transfer signing, but I have to say I am having a really hard time getting pumped up when I think about what lies ahead in terms of the future of the sport. If the staff can't sign 1 or 2 transfers they like this Spring, (preferably with 2 years of eligibility left), I'd rather they keep the schollies for use on high school jrs they are recruiting now. As it stands now, CK is the only scholarship rising sr on the team so if they use the 2 schollies available right now to fill out the roster, they will only be able to bring in 1 recruit in Sept of 2025. One player classes aren't a good thing. I'd rather they go with an 11 member scholarship roster next year and take steps to balance the classes than use the 2 scholarships right now on kids they aren't that high on. I have similar concerns. There's no obviously interested and talented xfer that anyone I know is aware of still considering HC. It's also nearly May. I'm not aware of a late '24 that's lined up either. We could end up with more wins in PL next year but that's not factoring in other teams' potential improvements. If we marginally improve, go nowhere and lose CK to graduation we might be in a two year hole unless Hare and Declan really improve. It's hard to believe there's not an eligible xfer that can rebound, defend and occasionally follow a miss or P&Roll lay-in that we can find. If we're right about our terrific rising soph and freshmen talent someone ought to be interested.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 23, 2024 11:48:48 GMT -5
We are competing with some/many schools with greater NIL $$$.
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Post by trimster on Apr 23, 2024 12:03:09 GMT -5
If the staff can't sign 1 or 2 transfers they like this Spring, (preferably with 2 years of eligibility left), I'd rather they keep the schollies for use on high school jrs they are recruiting now. As it stands now, CK is the only scholarship rising sr on the team so if they use the 2 schollies available right now to fill out the roster, they will only be able to bring in 1 recruit in Sept of 2025. One player classes aren't a good thing. I'd rather they go with an 11 member scholarship roster next year and take steps to balance the classes than use the 2 scholarships right now on kids they aren't that high on. I have similar concerns. There's no obviously interested and talented xfer that anyone I know is aware of still considering HC. It's also nearly May. I'm not aware of a late '24 that's lined up either. We could end up with more wins in PL next year but that's not factoring in other teams' potential improvements. If we marginally improve, go nowhere and lose CK to graduation we might be in a two year hole unless Hare and Declan really improve. It's hard to believe there's not an eligible xfer that can rebound, defend and occasionally follow a miss or P&Roll lay-in that we can find. If we're right about our terrific rising soph and freshmen talent someone ought to be interested. I wouldn't use the word terrific just yet to describe our current and incoming frosh classes. I think the only frosh who came even remotely close to being named to the All Rookie PL team was Joe Nugent and obviously the 4 incoming recruits have yet to play a minute of college basketball.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 23, 2024 12:54:00 GMT -5
NIL puts coach in a touchy spot. There's a rising senior with the potential for one of the great HC senior seasons in the last 15-20 years. How do you give a newcomer more NIL money than your best current player even though potential newcomers are the free agents you are competing for?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 23, 2024 13:37:42 GMT -5
Are there any NCAA rules regarding how coaches are involved with NIL?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 23, 2024 13:46:50 GMT -5
Copy below is from an ESPN article in 2021. Does anyone really believe that NIL is not being used for recruiting? Perhaps the rules have changed...
Can athletes enter into NIL agreements with boosters?
The NCAA does not have any rules that restrict boosters from paying athletes as long as those payments are not directly for their athletic performance or an inducement for recruiting purposes. Some new state laws address booster involvement in different ways, and some might need further interpretation before it's clear how involved boosters can be in paying athletes in those states.
Are schools allowed to arrange NIL opportunities for student-athletes?
Some state laws restrict schools from arranging deals for their athletes. The NCAA rules leave that decision up to individual schools, but it warns that schools need to be careful that they don't cross any lines into an area that could be considered paying the players or using NIL payments as a recruiting tool.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 23, 2024 13:48:27 GMT -5
Are there any NCAA rules regarding how coaches are involved with NIL? Coach involvement must be approved because the 1843 Collective collects the money and gives it to the coach to spend as needed for the program, including but not limited to player payments, as I understand it. If Wheaties wants to put a college athlete on their box, that payment does not go through the coach or the school but rather directly from Wheaties to the player/agent I would think.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 23, 2024 14:02:42 GMT -5
The trend seems to be liberalization of restrictions. After a few scandals the pendulum will probably swing back.
I wonder if any schools will start reducing scholarships for bench players to give more to the stars. Perhaps the 1-4 players would get scholarship and NIL, the 5-8 rotation would get scholarships only and the 9-13 players would be walk-ons with the opportunity to compete for money in future seasons as all deals would be for one season at a time. It's like Aldous Huxley thought up NIL.
Apology to the great Crusaders working so hard to give Holy Cross NIL with honor. The introduction of NIL is unsettling. The status quo certainly wasn't perfect however, so maybe college athletics will end up in a better place after trial and error with the new arrangements.
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Post by trimster on Apr 23, 2024 14:54:09 GMT -5
The trend seems to be liberalization of restrictions. After a few scandals the pendulum will probably swing back. I wonder if any schools will start reducing scholarships for bench players to give more to the stars. Perhaps the 1-4 players would get scholarship and NIL, the 5-8 rotation would get scholarships only and the 9-13 players would be walk-ons with the opportunity to compete for money in future seasons as all deals would be for one season at a time. It's like Aldous Huxley thought up NIL. Apology to the great Crusaders working so hard to give Holy Cross NIL with honor. The introduction of NIL is unsettling. The status quo certainly wasn't perfect however, so maybe college athletics will end up in a better place after trial and error with the new arrangements. Or they go the other way to use NIL money to recruit more players than allowed on scholarship to have in effect, 15-16 “scholarship” cagers.
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Post by trimster on Apr 23, 2024 14:54:33 GMT -5
Joe Octave to Stony Brook.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 23, 2024 15:38:34 GMT -5
We will miss his rebounding until the next person steps up. His off-and-on defense and lack of a consistent perimeter shot probably limited his options. Wish him great success.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 23, 2024 16:37:46 GMT -5
He has a smorgasbord of quality graduate disciplines to choose from at Stony Brook. Options to snag grad transfers by smaller institutions might be limited due to narrow graduate degree choices. I think Joe compares favorably to a little used frosh or soph in the portal looking for more playing time.
Of course coaches have to balance the classes on their roster but grad transfers with four years of experience and only a one year commitment are an attractive investment. A coach can also have confidence a grad transfer from HC is not in the portal as a disgruntled player because HC is undergraduate only.
I think schools have been happy with HC grad transfers like Butler and Faw.
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Post by trimster on Apr 24, 2024 8:22:01 GMT -5
HC is one of many schools to have contacted a 6’9” frosh transfer from Drake and the state of MN named Patrick Bath. According to Verbal Commits, he had 5 offers coming out of hs. There is speculation from the Drake board that he was a walk on there. He redshirted this year and has 4 years of eligibility left. Colgate, American and William and Mary have also contacted him.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 24, 2024 8:55:04 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 24, 2024 10:42:12 GMT -5
He has a smorgasbord of quality graduate disciplines to choose from at Stony Brook. Options to snag grad transfers by smaller institutions might be limited due to narrow graduate degree choices. I think Joe compares favorably to a little used frosh or soph in the portal looking for more playing time. Of course coaches have to balance the classes on their roster but grad transfers with four years of experience and only a one year commitment are an attractive investment. A coach can also have confidence a grad transfer from HC is not in the portal as a disgruntled player because HC is undergraduate only. I think schools have been happy with HC grad transfers like Butler and Faw. No more grad transfers now unless they have a redshirt season.
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Post by Ignutz on Apr 24, 2024 12:53:42 GMT -5
Not sure he's the inside banger that we're looking for.
VC has him listed at 6'9" and 0lb.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 24, 2024 15:07:58 GMT -5
So far, USC leads the portal race with 7. Louisville is close behind with 6, and an expected 7th.
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Post by trimster on Apr 24, 2024 17:37:46 GMT -5
Not sure he's the inside banger that we're looking for. VC has him listed at 6'9" and 0lb. Post: #189RE: 2024 CBB Transfer Portal (Yesterday 11:19 AM)mrjoolius Wrote: twitter.com/ThePortalReport/stat...kYrmg&s=19Not sure is this link will work but he appears to be pretty sturdy looking young man. He was listed at 210 when he entered college and a poster on the Bill & Mary board said he has added 25 lbs during his redshirt year. I know it's a posting on a board but based on the picture, he looks bigger than 210.
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Post by trimster on Apr 24, 2024 17:47:38 GMT -5
Totino-Grace Boys Basketball @tgeaglesnest Patrick Bath ( @patrick_bath21 ) is a 2X state champion who averaged 16 & 10 as a senior. Redshirted (and added 25 pounds) for Missouri Valley Champion & NCAA Tournament participant. 4 years of eligibility.
This appears to be from his hs team's Twitter page.
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Post by trimster on Apr 25, 2024 8:37:10 GMT -5
So far, USC leads the portal race with 7. Louisville is close behind with 6, and an expected 7th. I assume the numbers represent commitments from the portal. Drake has 11 players in the portal. I just read a comment on the Fairfield board along the lines of, “I can our roster taking shape soon.” Kind of sad that that many schools are largely rebuilding their roster every Spring.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 25, 2024 9:25:10 GMT -5
So far, USC leads the portal race with 7. Louisville is close behind with 6, and an expected 7th. I assume the numbers represent commitments from the portal. Correct
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 25, 2024 9:58:38 GMT -5
How ridiculous is this: college sports now makes MLB look like a paragon of player loyalty and roster continuity
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Post by hchoops on Apr 25, 2024 10:05:22 GMT -5
How ridiculous is this: college sports now makes MLB look like a paragon of player loyalty and roster continuity Accurate, to a degree. All high major football, some mid and all high major basketball.
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Post by drjack on Apr 25, 2024 14:14:36 GMT -5
Not sure he's the inside banger that we're looking for. VC has him listed at 6'9" and 0lb. Such an underrated comment that is getting not nearly the love it deserves
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