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Post by hchoops on May 2, 2024 9:58:59 GMT -5
One report has Kentucky giving Koby Brea from Dayton $1.5m after a big time bidding war :UConn, UNC etc
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Post by newfieguy74 on May 2, 2024 10:29:22 GMT -5
Does anyone have an idea how big an NIL war chest UConn has?
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Post by hc1996 on May 2, 2024 10:33:30 GMT -5
Does anyone have an idea how big an NIL war chest UConn has? I have no idea, but I do know of an event that was recently held in Stamford directly benefitting the NIL. It was held at restaurant/bar and it was a $500 entry per person. Several players were there including Clingan, Castle and Spencer. My cousin estimated there were 100 people in attendance. So, guessing the NIL got at least $40,000 out of that 2 hour event.
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Post by HC92 on May 2, 2024 14:04:12 GMT -5
One report has Kentucky giving Koby Brea from Dayton $1.5m after a big time bidding war :UConn, UNC etc Not sure how much bidding UConn was doing. They landed Aidan Mahaney from St. Mary’s a few days ago and likely didn’t see a huge difference in impact between the two. I’m sure they paid Mahaney a nice sum but not 7 figures. And before Mahaney, they also got a 5 star sharpshooter (Liam McNeeley) who is graduating from HS this year.
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Post by notjuanjones on May 2, 2024 16:39:07 GMT -5
One major difference is that these college basketball players, alleged amateurs, are being bribed (legally) to go to the highest bidder. I would strongly disagree with the word "bribed" here. They're being paid, as they should have been paid for the last 50 years, for the financial impact they have on the field/court. Georgetown didn't put six figures into Harvard's 10th man; they're paying the market rate for Harvard's best player – who made the decision to leave Harvard, and the value of having a Harvard degree for the rest of his life. That's a choice, which he and any other person with a marketable skill gets to make in a free market. You can quibble about the numbers involved to make deals with teenaged basketball and football players, but "bribed" definitely is a pejorative.
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Post by hchoops on May 2, 2024 16:45:16 GMT -5
I wrote “legally” in parentheses So you are happy with the state of college hoops? What will be the effect on the PL eventually ?
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Post by hc1996 on May 2, 2024 16:45:57 GMT -5
One major difference is that these college basketball players, alleged amateurs, are being bribed (legally) to go to the highest bidder. I would strongly disagree with the word "bribed" here. They're being paid, as they should have been paid for the last 50 years, for the financial impact they have on the field/court. Georgetown didn't put six figures into Harvard's 10th man; they're paying the market rate for Harvard's best player – who made the decision to leave Harvard, and the value of having a Harvard degree for the rest of his life. That's a choice, which he and any other person with a marketable skill gets to make in a free market. You can quibble about the numbers involved to make deals with teenaged basketball and football players, but "bribed" definitely is a pejorative. I’d argue that there is no more value in a Harvard degree than a Georgetown degree. So, good for that kid!
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Post by longsuffering on May 2, 2024 17:49:04 GMT -5
URI has four openings. The portal is possibly kinder to PL teams than A-10 or WCC level teams. Those teams could be steamrolled. St. Bonaventure is signing junior college transfers. Well managed, well coached PL teams who recruit four year players might have an advantage competitively against the next level up in the region while the CBB world is in turmoil.
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Post by nextmanup on May 2, 2024 17:49:53 GMT -5
I would strongly disagree with the word "bribed" here. They're being paid, as they should have been paid for the last 50 years, for the financial impact they have on the field/court. Georgetown didn't put six figures into Harvard's 10th man; they're paying the market rate for Harvard's best player – who made the decision to leave Harvard, and the value of having a Harvard degree for the rest of his life. That's a choice, which he and any other person with a marketable skill gets to make in a free market. You can quibble about the numbers involved to make deals with teenaged basketball and football players, but "bribed" definitely is a pejorative. I’d argue that there is no more value in a Harvard degree than a Georgetown degree. So, good for that kid! Yes. He’s also going to develop under Cooley vs regress under Amaker. No one does less with more talent than Amaker.
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Post by hchoops on May 2, 2024 17:52:33 GMT -5
URI has four openings. The portal is possibly kinder to PL teams than A-10 or WCC level teams. Those teams could be steamrolled. St. Bonaventure is signing junior college transfers. Well managed, well coached PL teams who recruit four year players might have an advantage competitively against the next level up in the region while the CBB world is in turmoil. t Tell that to Matt Langel
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Post by longsuffering on May 2, 2024 18:28:39 GMT -5
I went back to 2019-20 and Colgate has not played St. B. during that time period. (212 miles apart despite both being in NY State) However I like Colgate's chances during the turmoil better than before the NIL/Portal CBB turmoil.
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Post by notjuanjones on May 3, 2024 11:59:32 GMT -5
I wrote “legally” in parentheses So you are happy with the state of college hoops? What will be the effect on the PL eventually ? No. I hate it. And especially for LM schools. But these kids shouldn't be tarred with the inference that they're doing something illegal or even unseemly because they're getting market value for their work and labor. No school, and particularly P6 schools, should profit off their players, as they've done for decades, with the players getting next to nothing in return. They can outbid other schools to keep their guys if they wish. But spare me the Nick Saban bleating (and, you hear, Jay Wright had similar issues) about how other schools outbid poor Alabama (Villanova) for five-star, blue chip recruits.
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Post by hchoops on May 3, 2024 12:07:06 GMT -5
I wrote “legally” in parentheses So you are happy with the state of college hoops? What will be the effect on the PL eventually ? No. I hate it. And especially for LM schools. But these kids shouldn't be tarred with the inference that they're doing something illegal or even unseemly because they're getting market value for their work and labor. No school, and particularly P6 schools, should profit off their players, as they've done for decades, with the players getting next to nothing in return. They can outbid other schools to keep their guys if they wish. But spare me the Nick Saban bleating (and, you hear, Jay Wright had similar issues) about how other schools outbid poor Alabama (Villanova) for five-star, blue chip recruits. I agree with most of what you write here, but I would not ever put Jay Wright in the same category with Nick Saban.
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Post by mm67 on May 3, 2024 13:49:21 GMT -5
Wasn't Cousy fed up with whole big time recruiting scene 50+ years ago when he left BC? Didn't he complain to the effect: How can you coach a kid when you have to beg him to come to your school? Big time college scholarship athletics has always sucked. Heard Clyde state he didn't attend Southern Illinois to go to class. He was there to play basketball. He believed he didn't get much of an education. And, looking back at it, he didn't seem too happy. There has always been a corrupt & exploitive aspect to big time sports. Adults made the money, many if not most players got little to next to nothing except for brown paper bags filled with illegal cash for the lucky ones.
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Post by rgs318 on May 3, 2024 13:56:37 GMT -5
Yes, "next to nothing" since a college degree that costs regular students well over a quarter of a million dollars now is said to have no value at all.
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on May 3, 2024 15:28:24 GMT -5
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Post by trimster on May 3, 2024 16:27:52 GMT -5
Portal is at 2023 after a few entries this afternoon. I don't know if they are the only school to have zero portalers but Herb Sendek's Santa Clara Broncos achieved that fete. I tried to cut and paste something that a Fairfield poster had cut and pasted to their board but it didn't work. According to Dr. Evan Miyakawa, PhD in Stats, the conference with the highest % of players enter the portal was the American at 48%, (101 players). Next was the MAAC at 47%, (78 players). The lowest by far at 16% was the PL with 28 entrants. Ivy was next to last at 26% with 35 entrants. A10 was at 32 % with 78 entrants and BE was nearby at 34%, (57 entries). For a complete ranking of the 32 conferences see the last current page of the transfer portal thread at www.scoutfairfield.com.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on May 4, 2024 4:17:01 GMT -5
Good for Louth; hope he can stay healthy and does well there.. The top 3 seniors did pretty well for themselves, all things considered.
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Post by bison137 on May 4, 2024 7:44:32 GMT -5
Portal is at 2023 after a few entries this afternoon. I don't know if they are the only school to have zero portalers but Herb Sendek's Santa Clara Broncos achieved that fete. I tried to cut and paste something that a Fairfield poster had cut and pasted to their board but it didn't work. According to Dr. Evan Miyakawa, PhD in Stats, the conference with the highest % of players enter the portal was the American at 48%, (101 players). Next was the MAAC at 47%, (78 players). The lowest by far at 16% was the PL with 28 entrants. Ivy was next to last at 26% with 35 entrants. A10 was at 32 % with 78 entrants and BE was nearby at 34%, (57 entries). For a complete ranking of the 32 conferences see the last current page of the transfer portal thread at www.scoutfairfield.com.
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Post by hchoops on May 4, 2024 7:53:33 GMT -5
Portal is at 2023 after a few entries this afternoon. I don't know if they are the only school to have zero portalers but Herb Sendek's Santa Clara Broncos achieved that fete. . Marquette had 0 portallers AND 0 incoming transfers.
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Post by longsuffering on May 4, 2024 7:53:54 GMT -5
Portal is at 2023 after a few entries this afternoon. I don't know if they are the only school to have zero portalers but Herb Sendek's Santa Clara Broncos achieved that fete. I tried to cut and paste something that a Fairfield poster had cut and pasted to their board but it didn't work. According to Dr. Evan Miyakawa, PhD in Stats, the conference with the highest % of players enter the portal was the American at 48%, (101 players). Next was the MAAC at 47%, (78 players). The lowest by far at 16% was the PL with 28 entrants. Ivy was next to last at 26% with 35 entrants. A10 was at 32 % with 78 entrants and BE was nearby at 34%, (57 entries). For a complete ranking of the 32 conferences see the last current page of the transfer portal thread at www.scoutfairfield.com. Good possibility the PL has a good season against OOC opponents in 2024-25. Would love to see the PL above .500 to start league play. Whole lot of "The sky is falling!" comments but the above stat indicates Holy Cross and the Patriot League are doing things right. The league is #1 in the nation in retention and that is with members like HC where graduating seniors are forced into the portal when they have eligibility left for whatever reason as the school can not offer them a graduate degree. Perhaps the above stats do not include grad transfers, still impressive for the PL either way.
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Post by longsuffering on May 4, 2024 7:59:04 GMT -5
This is a great time in CBB to have an above average head coach and I think Holy Cross has one in both MBB and WBB.
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Post by longsuffering on May 4, 2024 8:21:04 GMT -5
7-25/3-17 Valpo opened against St. Mary's of the Woods and Trinity Christian, which allowed them to start 2-0. Their fans must rail against the sub-D-1 opponents, too and maybe blew a gasket when the sports teams name was changed from Crusaders to Beacons in 2021, or maybe not. I wonder if Valpo teams were affectionately called the 'Saders over the years or if that's an HC thing.
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Post by trimster on May 4, 2024 8:29:31 GMT -5
Portal is at 2023 after a few entries this afternoon. I don't know if they are the only school to have zero portalers but Herb Sendek's Santa Clara Broncos achieved that fete. I tried to cut and paste something that a Fairfield poster had cut and pasted to their board but it didn't work. According to Dr. Evan Miyakawa, PhD in Stats, the conference with the highest % of players enter the portal was the American at 48%, (101 players). Next was the MAAC at 47%, (78 players). The lowest by far at 16% was the PL with 28 entrants. Ivy was next to last at 26% with 35 entrants. A10 was at 32 % with 78 entrants and BE was nearby at 34%, (57 entries). For a complete ranking of the 32 conferences see the last current page of the transfer portal thread at www.scoutfairfield.com. Good possibility the PL has a good season against OOC opponents in 2024-25. Would love to see the PL above .500 to start league play. Whole lot of "The sky is falling!" comments but the above stat indicates Holy Cross and the Patriot League are doing things right. The league is #1 in the nation in retention and that is with members like HC where graduating seniors are forced into the portal when they have eligibility left for whatever reason as the school can not offer them a graduate degree. Perhaps the above stats do not include grad transfers, still impressive for the PL either way. I can’t in any way imagine the Ivy has 35 underclassman in the portal so I suspect grad transfers are included in the numbers. Based on the non conference record last year of the league and the fact PL student-athletes are quite astute, another way of looking at the high retention rate is the average PL underclassman hoops player knew there wasn’t much of a market out there for them so they opted to stay put at an excellent academic college or university at which most of them aren’t paying anything.
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Post by hchoops on May 4, 2024 8:41:50 GMT -5
Since the subheading of the chart says it includes players who played last season, I presumes this means grad transfers also.
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