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Post by hchoops on Dec 12, 2016 12:28:38 GMT -5
In the oldest season assist record I could find, the '79-80 team of Perry, Kelly(only 22 games-injured), had 549 assists and 914 fg, 60 %
the '15-16 team had 479 assists and 775 fg., #16 nationally
this season we are an outstanding 147-208, #3 in the nation.
now assists is the only stat to measure passing, but this comparison would put last year's team even with its poor record slightly ahead of that 19-11 last Perry team which lost in the dance to the Iona Ruland team, which had to vacate its wins .
cannot find assist stats for any of the Potter teams or before that.
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Post by sarasota on Dec 12, 2016 12:47:11 GMT -5
"Ruland"
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Post by hchoops on Dec 12, 2016 13:03:08 GMT -5
The '02-03 team was 41st in total assists, and its ratio-- 489-769 was better than HC last season, though its rank was 18, but not this season thus far
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 12, 2016 13:37:25 GMT -5
The '02-03 team was 41st in total assists, and its ratio-- 489-769 was better than HC last season, though its rank was 18, but not this season thus far 2003-04 was slightly better. 64% of baskets were assisted on that season. In 2007-08, 63.9% of baskets were assisted on. |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 12, 2016 13:46:43 GMT -5
The '02-03 team was 41st in total assists, and its ratio-- 489-769 was better than HC last season, though its rank was 18, but not this season thus far 2003-04 was slightly better. 64% of baskets were assisted on that season. In 2007-08, 63.9% of baskets were assisted on. That put 07-08 # 17 in the nation 03-04 --#18 in US |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 12, 2016 13:51:37 GMT -5
And at 70.7% this year, we rank 3rd, behind Michigan St and Harvard.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 12, 2016 13:58:13 GMT -5
Coach Carmody's Northwestern teams ranked #1 in 4 seasons and #2 in several more. Maybe we'll give him another #1 ranking this year.....
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Post by hc6774 on Dec 12, 2016 14:46:58 GMT -5
what is an assist? is the number of dribbles a scorer takes determinative?
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 12, 2016 15:04:05 GMT -5
From my days keeping the stat book many years ago, I see to remember an assist was credited if the pass led directly to a basket. Less a matter f counting the steps than the overall play. An outlet pass to a teammate running up the court (who takes several steps straight to the hoop) could be an assist.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 12, 2016 15:10:04 GMT -5
what is an assist? is the number of dribbles a scorer takes determinative? Here is the basic info on assists from the NCAA statisticians' manual. There are numerous examples that follow, but I didn't copy all of them. The criteria for an assist are somewhat tougher than in the NBA. SECTION 5—ASSISTS A player is credited with an assist when the player makes, in the judgment of the statistician, the principal pass contributing directly to a field goal (or an awarded score of two or three points). Only one assist is to be credited on any field goal and only when the pass was a major part of the play. The same player cannot be credited with an assist and a field goal made on the same possession. Such a pass should be either (a) a pass that finds a player free after he or she has maneuvered without the ball for a positional advantage, or (b) a pass that gives the receiving player a positional advantage he or she otherwise would not have had. Philosophy. An assist should be more than a routine pass that just happens to be followed by a field goal. It should be a conscious effort to find the open player or to help a player work free. There should not be a limit on the number of dribbles by the receiver. It is not even necessary that the assist be given on the last pass. There is no restraint on the distance or type of shot made, for these are not the crucial factors in determining whether an assist should be credited. - - - - - One note on the assist to FG ratio is that a team that doesn't hit the offensive boards should have a somewhat better ratio, since baskets that come directly off of offensive rebounds cannot have an assist. Also a team that has a dominant post player who frequently backs his opponent down after receiving an entry pass may have less assists, since most official scorers won't assign an assist if the post player does a lot of work to create the shot after receiving the entry pass. |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 12, 2016 15:56:14 GMT -5
The top three total assists in HC hoops( at least recorded)
76-77--678
75-76--660
77-78--625
The Potter, Perry, Vicens years
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 12, 2016 16:04:02 GMT -5
Because he was before my time, curious to learn how good Glenn Williams was as a PG. Hoops?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 12, 2016 16:04:22 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Dec 12, 2016 16:58:19 GMT -5
But no assists before 79-80 |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 12, 2016 17:04:25 GMT -5
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Post by lou on Dec 12, 2016 17:06:51 GMT -5
Sounds like passing the ball around the perimeter leading to a made 3 in many cases does not lead to an assist
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Post by hchoops on Dec 12, 2016 17:12:46 GMT -5
Looks as if the best ratios before this current season were
'76-77-.680. Perry, Potter, Vicens
'75-76-.647 Potter, Vicens
'03-04-.640. Jave, Kham
'07-08--.639 Clifford, Doherty, Beinert
By far the first two were the most successful seasons
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Post by hchoops on Dec 12, 2016 17:29:22 GMT -5
Because he was before my time, curious to learn how good Glenn Williams was as a PG. Hoops? Was raising children/ coaching did not see him much remember as a fine pass first, second and third point |
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Post by DiMarz on Dec 12, 2016 18:50:34 GMT -5
Because he was before my time, curious to learn how good Glenn Williams was as a PG. Hoops? Glenn was a very good pg. He rarely made a bad decision, or turned the ball over..His handle was exceptional! |
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Post by bison137 on Dec 12, 2016 18:53:27 GMT -5
Sounds like passing the ball around the perimeter leading to a made 3 in many cases does not lead to an assist I think that's a fair statement. The Statisticians' Manual has this example: "Adams passes to Allen, who is about 20 feet from the basket. Allen immediately shoots and scores. RULING: This probably is the toughest decision involving assists. If Adams found Allen unguarded, Adams probably should get the assist. If the ball merely was being passed around in hopes of finding a way to penetrate the defense and Allen merely decided to shoot, then no assist should be credited." - - - - - One thing about assists is that some scorers are much more liberal giving them out than others. If you see a team with a much better assist ratio at home than on the road, that might be a good tip-off. Some may have seen the game last week when the Atlantis corer gave out an assist to a Kentucky guard (De 'Aaron Fox) who threw a routine pass to another player on the periphery who then passed to another player who shot and scored. At the time, it gave Fox a 10th assist and a triple double. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 12, 2016 19:11:20 GMT -5
Because he was before my time, curious to learn how good Glenn Williams was as a PG. Hoops? Glenn was a very good pg. He rarely made a bad decision, or turned the ball over..His handle was exceptional! Those guys (Williams, Scooter Tropf, Joe Viviano, Grant Evans, Greg Martucci, along with Dwight Pernell and Lorn Davis) really got up and down the court; points were scored all over the place. If I remember correctly, they went out west to play the Hank and Bo Show at Loyola Marymount and lost something like 128-104. |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 12, 2016 19:17:57 GMT -5
One thing about assists is that some scorers are much more liberal giving them out than others. If you see a team with a much better assist ratio at home than on the road, that might be a good tip-off.So just out of curiosity, I checked the Holy Cross A/FGM road stats . . . vs. SC 12A/17FGM vs. SYR 10/17 vs. HARV 16/23 vs. ALB 15/18 vs. UNH 12/19 vs. ME 9/20 In total, 74A/114FGM, or 64.9%. A little lower than our overall 70.7% . . . but 64.9% would still be good for 14th best nationally. |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 12, 2016 20:04:04 GMT -5
We played terribly vs Maine, but that 9/20 stat does not seem correct.
even though we got killed by the cuse, 10/17 vs their zone is pretty good.
our assists yesterday for layups against Q's zones was impressive, even though their D is bad
if hoops gave two assists on a field goal, as in hockey, we would do very well.
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Post by hc6774 on Dec 13, 2016 7:57:07 GMT -5
Sounds like passing the ball around the perimeter leading to a made 3 in many cases does not lead to an assist I think that's a fair statement. The Statisticians' Manual has this example: "Adams passes to Allen, who is about 20 feet from the basket. Allen immediately shoots and scores. RULING: This probably is the toughest decision involving assists. If Adams found Allen unguarded, Adams probably should get the assist. If the ball merely was being passed around in hopes of finding a way to penetrate the defense and Allen merely decided to shoot, then no assist should be credited." on perimeter passing...the score keeper should watch the coach's reaction ... the classic "no, no,...yes!" 3 pointer would not get an assist |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 13, 2016 13:48:26 GMT -5
Looks as if the best ratios before this current season were '76-77-.680. Perry, Potter, Vicens '75-76-.647 Potter, Vicens '03-04-.640. Jave, Kham '07-08--.639 Clifford, Doherty, Beinert By far the first two were the most successful season Pretty amazing when you consider the career of Chris Potter. how many power forwards (Not named Bird, actually more of a SF. Draymon Green would be the closest today) led a team in rebounds all four years were also an assist leader in two seasons ? he also scored 1789 points, tied for fifth all time(with Tommy H) Chris is certainly the front runner for best all-around HC player. A good topic for an off season discussion. |
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