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Post by hcpride on Jun 28, 2023 14:38:29 GMT -5
I don’t know. Thomas has been quite prominently featured in a plethora of op-Ed’s and articles as of late. WSJ, Boston Globe, National Review, etc. etc. And during the abortion excitement a couple of years ago. And certainly a Supreme Court Justice is a very senior position constitutionally. He’s probably our most prominent graduate at this point . Cousy may have been many years ago.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 28, 2023 15:06:32 GMT -5
Fauci definitely more famous these days than Thomas. Prior to March, 2020, it'd have been Thomas. Somehow forgot about Fauci. He's definitely most famous by a landslide. 1) Fauci 2) Thomas 3) Cousy 4) Bill Simmons 5) Chris Matthews And unfortunately, #1 and #2 are both extremely polarizing. You'd find very few with great admiration for both of them.
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Post by bowling alone on Jun 28, 2023 15:55:24 GMT -5
I would posit that Jon Favreau, Obama speechwriter and host of Pod Save America, might outpace Cousy, Matthews and maybe Simmons on this list.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 28, 2023 16:28:39 GMT -5
I would posit that Jon Favreau, Obama speechwriter and host of Pod Save America, might outpace Cousy, Matthews and maybe Simmons on this list. He’s big for liberals who follow that stuff and know the identity of an Obama speech writer (or watch his podcast) but the other Jon Favreau is better known, IMHO. Now if they both went to HC, I’d put the name at the top of that group.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 28, 2023 17:47:57 GMT -5
Favreau is nowhere near the household name of any of the others.
Left-leaning podcasts, radio shows and secondary media outlets tend to have smaller followings than their conservative counterparts.
Mainly because mainstream media tends to espouse more liberal viewpoints.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 28, 2023 18:01:54 GMT -5
Mainly because mainstream media tends to espouse more liberal viewpoints. The concept of the "MSM" has been co-opted over the years. Fox is as mainstream as CNN is. One would also be hard pressed to say exactly where CBS or NBC is given how few people watch their coverage anymore.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 28, 2023 18:42:52 GMT -5
HC has provided many leaders in medicine, the law, politics even Broadway. But HC has not produced household names. Often overlooked is Austin Tobin(Regis, HC & Fordham Law). He was the longest serving executive director of the Port Authority of NY-NJ, the largest cross state agency in America. HIs accomplishments as director were amazing. The plaza between the Twin Towers was named in his honor.
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Post by alum on Jun 28, 2023 19:40:53 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 28, 2023 19:58:56 GMT -5
HC has provided many leaders in medicine, the law, politics even Broadway. But HC has not produced household names. Often overlooked is Austin Tobin(Regis, HC & Fordham Law). He was the longest serving executive director of the Port Authority of NY-NJ, the largest cross state agency in America. HIs accomplishments as director were amazing. The plaza between the Twin Towers was named in his honor. And he shares the Regis/HC double connection with Fauci. Declan Cronin may be the next Regis/HC guy to make it big!
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jun 28, 2023 20:05:34 GMT -5
This is an impressive list for sure, but I'm sure we could all think of others. One name missing is Hon. John J. Gibbons (HC/Harvard Law School), who served on the Third Circuit Court of Appeals. In law school I decided to take a summer class on Constitutional Law and was lucky enough to have Judge Gibbons as my teacher. A brilliant and decent man.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 29, 2023 5:19:24 GMT -5
A long list of “accomplished alumni”. A few have achieved national prominence. Curious they couldn’t squeeze ‘Rhodes Scholar” into Jim Collins’ description.
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Post by alum on Jun 29, 2023 7:38:52 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Jun 29, 2023 9:10:05 GMT -5
As expected, the Court found both UNC and Harvard's plans violate the law. Haven't read them so I'm not sure of the reasoning.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 29, 2023 9:25:56 GMT -5
As expected, the Court found both UNC and Harvard's plans violate the law. Haven't read them so I'm not sure of the reasoning. The Court cited a 2003 case on affirmative action at Michigan's law school, which set out three criteria, one of which was that it could not be indefinite. Quoting the opinion: "Twenty years later, no end is in sight. “Harvard’s view about when [race-based admissions will end] doesn’t have a date on it.” Yet both insist that the use of race in their admissions programs must continue. But we have permitted race-based admissions only within the confines of narrow restrictions. University programs must comply with strict scrutiny, they may never use race as a stereotype or negative, and, at some point, they must end. Respondents’ admissions systems, however well intentioned and implemented in good faith, fail each of these criteria."
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Post by alum on Jun 29, 2023 9:35:22 GMT -5
You can find a link to the decision here. www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/slipopinion/22I glanced through the syllabus. It would appear, as DFW Hoya notes, that the decision rests, at least in part, on the idea that the Michigan law school case said this couldn't go on forever. I intend to try to skim through this tonight (the Red Sox are giving me few reasons to devote my time to them right now) I promise to work my way through the majority opinion and the dissent from our fellow alum. I challenge those who are pleased with the decision to work on Justice Sotomayor's dissent. From a quick glance, it looks like she is making the argument that the Fourteenth Amendment intended for the use of race as a remedy. IIRC, she and Justice Jackson questioned counsel about why an originalist view of the law would not recognize this.
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Post by Tom on Jun 29, 2023 10:17:00 GMT -5
Fauci definitely more famous these days than Thomas. Prior to March, 2020, it'd have been Thomas. Somehow forgot about Fauci. He's definitely most famous by a landslide. 1) Fauci 2) Thomas 3) Cousy 4) Bill Simmons 5) Chris Matthews And unfortunately, #1 and #2 are both extremely polarizing. You'd find very few with great admiration for both of them. Surprised and somewhat disappointed that no one is putting my name on that list Maybe not the person as much as the company bearing his name, but anyone who watches car ads has heard the name JD Power
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 29, 2023 10:36:32 GMT -5
HC has provided many leaders in medicine, the law, politics even Broadway. But HC has not produced household names. Often overlooked is Austin Tobin(Regis, HC & Fordham Law). He was the longest serving executive director of the Port Authority of NY-NJ, the largest cross state agency in America. HIs accomplishments as director were amazing. The plaza between the Twin Towers was named in his honor. Boston named a bridge after him, too.🙂 Actually the Maurice J. Tobin bridge in Boston was named after a B.C. grad who was Mayor of Boston, Governor of Massachusetts and Secretary of Labor in the Truman Administration. He died young at 52, which is why they must have named the bridge after him.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 29, 2023 10:37:02 GMT -5
I'm up to my keister in silly stuff, so haven't read it either, but my observations of these two sections: First, I find it hard to disagree that race should not be an indefinite factor but temper that thought with I'm not sure we are there yet. Many would think we are not. Apparently the majority of the court thinks we are. Possibly right after Clarence left school? Second, boy does this sound like Clarence Thomas. Last thought, a nice touch at the end . . . . . "you mean well, but 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'."
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Post by mm67 on Jun 29, 2023 10:42:04 GMT -5
HC has provided many leaders in medicine, the law, politics even Broadway. But HC has not produced household names. Often overlooked is Austin Tobin(Regis, HC & Fordham Law). He was the longest serving executive director of the Port Authority of NY-NJ, the largest cross state agency in America. HIs accomplishments as director were amazing. The plaza between the Twin Towers was named in his honor. Boston named a bridge after him, too.🙂 Actually the Maurice J. Tobin bridge in Boston was named after a B.C. grad who was Mayor of Boston, Governor of Massachusetts and Secretary of Labor in the Truman Administration. He died young at 52, which is why they must have named the bridge after him. Not Maurice. His name was Austin Tobin, a New Yorker.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 29, 2023 10:58:43 GMT -5
Not a shocker as the unpopular use of race in admissions decisions (whereby Asians, for example, are discriminated against on account of their race) is going the way of the dodo.
That portion of what is generally thought of as 'affirmative action' has been kicked to the curb (obviously this has nothing to do with outreach, etc. as those are not admissions decisions).
In an era of drama I'd expect some hyperventilating on the issue. Dissenting Justices and otherwise.
I do think that particular schools looking for racial diversity reflecting the approximate racial diversity of college-age America (if that's is what they are looking for and I have no idea if that is what they are looking for) have other avenues.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 29, 2023 10:59:23 GMT -5
From Wikipedia: The Maurice J. Tobin Memorial Bridge (formerly the Mystic River Bridge) is a cantilever truss bridge that spans more than two miles (3.2 km) from Boston to Chelsea over the Mystic River in Massachusetts.[3] The bridge is the largest in New England.[3] In 1967, the Mystic River Bridge was renamed in honor of Maurice J. Tobin, former Boston mayor and Massachusetts governor.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 29, 2023 10:59:55 GMT -5
Boston named a bridge after him, too.🙂 Actually the Maurice J. Tobin bridge in Boston was named after a B.C. grad who was Mayor of Boston, Governor of Massachusetts and Secretary of Labor in the Truman Administration. He died young at 52, which is why they must have named the bridge after him. Not Maurice. His name was Austin Tobin, a New Yorker. Yes, I salute Holy Cross grad Austin Tobin. Because he has the same name as the Tobin bridge in Boston, I checked to see if that was named after him, too. But the bridge was named after a B.C. grad. Fittingly, the bridge had a partial collapse in 1973.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jun 29, 2023 11:27:03 GMT -5
HC has provided many leaders in medicine, the law, politics even Broadway. But HC has not produced household names. Often overlooked is Austin Tobin(Regis, HC & Fordham Law). He was the longest serving executive director of the Port Authority of NY-NJ, the largest cross state agency in America. HIs accomplishments as director were amazing. The plaza between the Twin Towers was named in his honor. And he shares the Regis/HC double connection with Fauci. Declan Cronin may be the next Regis/HC guy to make it big! I'm working on it. It's taking longer that I wanted!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 29, 2023 11:37:36 GMT -5
PVR's take --
Today the Supreme Court issued rulings on two affirmative action cases—Students for Fair Admissions v. University of North Carolina and Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard University.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, considering the tenor of last fall’s hearing, these rulings have effectively struck down race-based admissions. Going forward, colleges and universities will not be able to consider race as a factor in admissions.
Before delving into what this means for Holy Cross, I would like to acknowledge how this feels. As a college president and legal scholar, I am disappointed by this decision and concerned about the implications for higher education and our country. Affirmative action was an important tool, albeit one of many, that colleges and universities could use to expand opportunity for underrepresented students and build diverse learning communities.
As the son of Black civil rights activists, I am disheartened. College admissions is not and has never been a contest among students or zero-sum game. All institutions of higher education—Catholic, secular, public, and private—are committed to missions of education, transformation, and social good. We learn and live together in community. Yet these institutions must contend with the reality of our country’s recent unrest and history of racial and social oppression. As I asked earlier this summer, when will we realize our nation’s promise of equal opportunity?
At Holy Cross, our Jesuit values call on us to create and sustain a diverse and inclusive community marked by mutual respect, civility, and service to the wider world. Last August, we joined an amicus brief with 56 Catholic colleges and universities to urge the Court to uphold affirmative action. We spoke with one voice when we argued that Catholic colleges and universities have an “imperative to create diverse and inclusive student communities” because we are “linked with an obligation to address the social realities of poverty, oppression and injustice in our world.” That obligation is embedded in the College’s mission and the work we do every day.
What will today’s ruling mean for Holy Cross? Our work continues and our mission remains unchanged. As part of our strategic plan, Aspire, and with the leadership of Vice President for Enrollment Management Cornell LeSane, we will continue to recruit and welcome a diverse, talented student body. We will deepen successful partnerships with Questbridge, The Cristo Rey Network, and American Talent Initiative to recruit high-achieving students from diverse regions. We will strengthen our efforts to grow financial aid for low-income and Pell-eligible students with the support of our Holy Cross alumni and supporters. Notably, as a result of recent financial aid endowment fundraising, we were able to add $500,000 to financial aid this year. Critically, at this time, we will continue to speak up in ways that affirm who we are and what we believe when it comes to the importance of diversity, inclusion, and opportunity at Holy Cross and across our country.
Sincerely,
Vincent D. Rougeau
President
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 29, 2023 12:14:51 GMT -5
I'd like to see PVR respond to SCJCT's take:
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