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Post by HC13 on May 19, 2023 14:09:35 GMT -5
I count this as a big surprise, tough to lose 2 Assistants right in the middle of the recruiting cycle. Fitz did a great job with the bigs and as head of recruiting. Interested to see where she lands:
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Post by longsuffering on May 19, 2023 14:30:46 GMT -5
The world is her oyster at her age with her education and her success so far. Exciting, but disappointing for Holy Cross. It's an inherent dilemma keeping talented assistant coaches long term in low D-1. A rotation of one person per year or so would be ideal.
This is equivalent to two thirds of the football staff leaving in January.
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Post by HC13 on May 19, 2023 16:19:35 GMT -5
I am happy for Fitz & McCray, but the timing isn't idea. Today starts a brief evaluation period (5/19-21), the next 2 day is June 13/14. I'd feel better if they had a '24 recuit or 2 committed. Tad late to develop relationships.They have had 3/4 pretty solid classes in a row, but they are losing a lot when the class of '24 graduates. Couple of big hires coming up here.
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Post by newfieguy74 on May 19, 2023 16:59:52 GMT -5
Is there something going on with WBB?
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Post by rgs318 on May 19, 2023 17:07:57 GMT -5
Are they upgrading the assistant coaches? It could appear that way. Let's see how long it takes HC to name their replacements.
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Post by longsuffering on May 19, 2023 17:35:19 GMT -5
Are they upgrading the assistant coaches? It could appear that way. Let's see how long it takes HC to name their replacements. I don't think that is likely. These two helped HC to the national postseason the last two seasons. If it's a similar budget there is not a lot of room for upgrading. I hope salary was not a reason to lose either one. If the new MBB assistants came in at higher salaries that is problematic. Kit has to manage his budget and his staff with care. He has a new fellow coming in to MBB as Associate Head Coach while after two championship seasons WBB doesn't have someone with the title and assumed stipend that goes with that position. I hope DP didn't take rookie AD Kit for a ride during negotiations.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on May 19, 2023 17:36:45 GMT -5
Clare is headed to another program. Will be announced shortly.
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Post by HC13 on May 19, 2023 17:56:07 GMT -5
Are they upgrading the assistant coaches? It could appear that way. Let's see how long it takes HC to name their replacements. Upgrading? Maybe, but Fizgerald probably the best recruiter we've had in a while. Time will tell, it sounds like McCray left sometime in early mid-April. I'm going to guess that Fizgerald may have gotten a better opportunity, looking forward to see where she lands. It's possible it is just a coincidence. Hopefully, they already have at least one replacement all lined up.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on May 19, 2023 18:04:45 GMT -5
Will be difficult to replace Fitz in recruiting and McCray on the defensive end. Both great personalities in the program also. It's not good news for the program but it is a part of the deal. Fitz is getting more $.
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Post by longsuffering on May 19, 2023 19:02:22 GMT -5
Will be difficult to replace Fitz in recruiting and McCray on the defensive end. Both great personalities in the program also. It's not good news for the program but it is a part of the deal. Fitz is getting more $. Does a low major WBB staff generally make less than a low major MBB staff at the same school and all involved just accept it?
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Post by HC92 on May 19, 2023 19:30:01 GMT -5
Will be difficult to replace Fitz in recruiting and McCray on the defensive end. Both great personalities in the program also. It's not good news for the program but it is a part of the deal. Fitz is getting more $. Does a low major WBB staff generally make less than a low major MBB staff at the same school and all involved just accept it? DP is certainly making more than MM.
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Post by HC13 on May 19, 2023 19:34:52 GMT -5
Does a low major WBB staff generally make less than a low major MBB staff at the same school and all involved just accept it? DP is certainly making more than MM. I actually looked at this issue a few years ago, I think the general answer is yes, but can vary from situation to situation. IIRC, for example, BG at one time or another was the higher paid coach. Assistants in general, WBB in particular, don't make a lot of money period, in low mids, one reason many of them at one point or another transition into other occupations.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on May 19, 2023 19:35:15 GMT -5
Will be difficult to replace Fitz in recruiting and McCray on the defensive end. Both great personalities in the program also. It's not good news for the program but it is a part of the deal. Fitz is getting more $. Does a low major WBB staff generally make less than a low major MBB staff at the same school and all involved just accept it? 1. Usually the case in my experience. 2. No (but you have to not piss off your boss). 3. Equity is almost always an issue.
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Post by HC13 on May 22, 2023 15:46:45 GMT -5
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Post by newfieguy74 on May 22, 2023 15:54:53 GMT -5
How is this a career upgrade?
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Post by HC13 on May 22, 2023 16:27:53 GMT -5
Likely pay upgrade.
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Post by longsuffering on May 22, 2023 21:00:47 GMT -5
Assistant coach at Yale, Air Force Academy, Holy Cross, UMass. Adjusting for inflation, Wouldn't HC be lowest paying school of the bunch?
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Post by oldschoolhoops on May 22, 2023 21:36:17 GMT -5
Assistant coach at Yale, Air Force Academy, Holy Cross, UMass. Adjusting for inflation, Wouldn't HC be lowest paying school of the bunch? Yale-Holy Cross might be a push depending on where she was in the pecking order at Yale. But yes, HC would be on the low end of the spectrum. UMass is a nice raise for her. A-10 > Patriot and she doesn't need to move if she doesn't really want to. Wouldn't want the commute myself, but she could do it if needed/wanted.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 22, 2023 22:46:51 GMT -5
Assistant coach at Yale, Air Force Academy, Holy Cross, UMass. Adjusting for inflation, Wouldn't HC be lowest paying school of the bunch? FYI, Fitzpatrick was listed as the top assistant at HC. Not sure of the pecking order at UMass as Cole has a similar resume as Fitzpatrick.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on May 23, 2023 6:13:50 GMT -5
She will have a lot of work to do at UMass which just concluded a great year (27-7). Their head coach left for Pittsburgh; six of their top seven either ran out of eligibility (2) or transferred (4) to Louisville, St. John's, Missouri and Seton Hall. They just announced four arriving transfers from lesser programs; i.e., W&M, Drexel, Hampton, etc.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 23, 2023 6:29:46 GMT -5
At the same school, the salary compensation for WBB coaches tends to reflect the salary compensation of men's basketball coaches because of Title IX. The compensation levels are much less for the women because women's basketball nearly everywhere loses money, big time.
At BC, women's basketball expenses in 2021-22 were $4,384,000, revenue was $346,000
UMass spent $4.5M on men's hoops, $2.8M on women's hoops. HC spent $2.5M and $2.0M.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 23, 2023 11:33:06 GMT -5
At the same school, the salary compensation for WBB coaches tends to reflect the salary compensation of men's basketball coaches because of Title IX. The compensation levels are much less for the women because women's basketball nearly everywhere loses money, big time. At BC, women's basketball expenses in 2021-22 were $4,384,000, revenue was $346,000 UMass spent $4.5M on men's hoops, $2.8M on women's hoops. HC spent $2.5M and $2.0M. I covered a game at UMass about 4 years ago and there might have been 200 people total in the Mullins Center. This year I did Columbia and UMass WBB which was a big midmajor game because the Minutewomen were good and of course Columbia too. Attendance was 984 on a Saturday in early December with good weather.
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Post by longsuffering on May 23, 2023 11:45:39 GMT -5
She moves to a program in a higher league that spent 40% more on WBB. Makes sense. UMass won 27 games and only made it to the WNIT last season. HC would appear to have a better shot at getting to the national post season this year out of the PL, but that doesn't buy any groceries. Smart move, good luck Coach Fitz.
With a name like Fitzpatrick it is a shame she is missing the Ireland trip but what a lucky bonus for a new coach. "Here's your key to the staff bathroom and your plane ticket. Guard the key with your life."
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Post by bfoley82 on May 23, 2023 11:49:28 GMT -5
She moves to a program in a higher league that spent 40% more on WBB. Makes sense. UMass won 27 games and only made it to the WNIT. HC would appear to have a better shot at getting to the national post season this year out of the PL, but that doesn't buy any groceries. Smart move, good luck Coach Fitz. Well, HC did lose the year before to an EIGHT seed Navy squad in the PL tournament so don't look ahead too much. URI also didn't make the NCAA Tournament as a co-champ with UMass and winning 26 games this year.
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Post by HC92 on May 28, 2023 5:13:34 GMT -5
Point: It’s easier for HC to get to the NCAA tourney out of the PL than for UMass out of the A10.
Foley Counterpoints: 1. HC has only gone 1 out of 2 years under their current coach. 2. Neither of the A10 co-champs went last year despite winning 26 and 27 games.
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