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Post by football44 on Mar 17, 2024 19:32:59 GMT -5
Ooh engineering major. I wonder if he's planning on doing the 4/1 with WPI We don't have a 4-1 with RPI. We have a 3-2 with Columbia.
Yes we do have a 4-1 with WPI. This is a new program established by the HC administration. So yes this young man can take engineering classes at WPI.
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Post by hc69 on Mar 17, 2024 19:38:12 GMT -5
My bad, I didn't know it had been implemented yet. I thought it was still in progress. Both schools' websites still show that it is at the MOU stage.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Mar 18, 2024 8:42:00 GMT -5
I believe incoming frosh DE Gabe Erhuanga is also very interested in the 4-1 program with WPI focusing on engineering. This very well could have helped us land him over Lehigh where he visited the week before.
Having more custom and flexible degrees while still being rooted in high quality liberal arts are a plus for the school and athletics programs.
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Post by hc1996 on Mar 18, 2024 8:46:00 GMT -5
If we had the option to red shirt, programs like this would help us compete more closely against the FCS schools with on campus grad programs.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Mar 18, 2024 11:41:15 GMT -5
If we had the option to red shirt, programs like this would help us compete more closely against the FCS schools with on campus grad programs. Exactly. With the portal, players that play in 4 or fewer games in any season will have a Red shirt year. Would rather them use it at HC with some sort of 4-1 consortium with a Worcester metro University (in addition to the double major potential already in place)than a FCS competitor.
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Post by hc69 on Mar 18, 2024 12:24:51 GMT -5
It wouldn't work with a 4-1 program such as the one with WPI. The player could redshirt and have a fifth year. But in the 4-1 model the player would be enrolled full-time in that fifth year in the grad engineering program at WPI. He wouldn't be eligible at HC but he would be at WPI.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 18, 2024 12:44:32 GMT -5
So HC poffers for more red shirt grad programs at another grad school in service to HC athletics. Seems to me like the tail is wagging the dog.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Mar 18, 2024 12:49:22 GMT -5
It wouldn't work with a 4-1 program such as the one with WPI. The player could redshirt and have a fifth year. But in the 4-1 model the player would be enrolled full-time in that fifth year in the grad engineering program at WPI. He wouldn't be eligible at HC but he would be at WPI. In its current form, correct. I’m willing to make an educated call that Kit, Chesney and now Curran were/are working with the relevant administrators to find a workable solution…time will tell if it’s possible but again this isn’t for 2025. 2024 frosh will be 5th yeard in 2028 which is crazy to think about.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Mar 18, 2024 12:52:08 GMT -5
So HC poffers for more red shirt grad programs at another grad school in service to HC athletics. Seems to me like the tail is wagging the dog. Not at all. You make it sound like these programs were constructed with athletics in mind. Nothing is further from the truth. The fact that it could potentially benefit athletics is what’s being discussed here. You think Vince went into these meetings thinking “how can I make this work so I can have 5th year OL playing against SDSU in the quarterfinals in 2028…” Did the announcement re WPI even mention athletics?
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Post by hc69 on Mar 18, 2024 13:34:56 GMT -5
It wouldn't work with a 4-1 program such as the one with WPI. The player could redshirt and have a fifth year. But in the 4-1 model the player would be enrolled full-time in that fifth year in the grad engineering program at WPI. He wouldn't be eligible at HC but he would be at WPI. In its current form, correct. I’m willing to make an educated call that Kit, Chesney and now Curran were/are working with the relevant administrators to find a workable solution…time will tell if it’s possible but again this isn’t for 2025. 2024 frosh will be 5th yeard in 2028 which is crazy to think about. It will still provide a useful option. I doubt we have all that many athletes who are math/physics majors and want to get a masters in engineering. Currently, those that do have to get the bachelors from us and then do two years in a grad engineering program, a 4-2. Some of them will choose the new 4-1 option. It will save them one year of grad school tuition. But a few may choose to redshirt, do a fifth year here and then do the one at WPI, a 5-1, especially if they're on scholarship the fifth year.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 18, 2024 13:39:34 GMT -5
So HC poffers for more red shirt grad programs at another grad school in service to HC athletics. Seems to me like the tail is wagging the dog. That program with WPI is open to all students. Seems like a great offering by the school, given that we don't have an engineering program. Maybe you think football players shouldn't be able to take advantage of it? Weird.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 18, 2024 15:50:59 GMT -5
TBT I was reacting to comments about the 4-1 grad programs being useful to help HC compete with other FCS programs. Implication HC grad programs w/another school should be pursued to benefit the football team w/ a red shirt. 4-1 with a Masters is a wonderful option for some students. Period. No need to get defensive about football. No big deal.
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Post by nhteamer on Mar 19, 2024 9:46:53 GMT -5
Do you know that Colgate is a university only because it has a graduate education program?
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 19, 2024 20:42:05 GMT -5
Do you know that Colgate is a university only because it has a graduate education program? More scandalous than "Deflate gate". That would be an easy thing for HC to duplicate. Maybe provide some help and share resources with the remaining beleaguered Catholic schools in the area.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 20, 2024 11:47:21 GMT -5
As I posted some time back, a master's degree in counseling (school and/or mental health counseling) could be useful to HC graduates and, having helped to start such degrees at Mercy in NY, I believe that it would not be diffcult to start.
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 19, 2024 8:33:58 GMT -5
Another addition to make 25 for this class Will Miller LB 6’2 220 Tampa, FL (Steinbrenner HS - same as Ty Robinson) Also had a PWO from UT Martin x.com/Will_Miller24 - Twitter profile
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Post by sader1970 on May 19, 2024 13:11:21 GMT -5
Please tell me: 1. NOT "George Steinbrenner" high school (i.e. George Costanza's employer as played by the back of Larry David's head) 2. That he decided after our ladies basketball team beat them, that he shouldn't go to UT Martin
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Post by efg72 on May 19, 2024 16:37:58 GMT -5
So what is the roster size? Who if any depart- but keep their scholarship?
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Post by hcnj on May 19, 2024 16:47:10 GMT -5
A good sized LB at 6-2, 220. Just a little smaller than his teammate and incoming QB, Ty Robinson. 😳
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Post by dharry13 on May 19, 2024 18:17:37 GMT -5
Roster size I believe will be 96.
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 19, 2024 19:56:47 GMT -5
So what is the roster size? Who if any depart- but keep their scholarship? How could someone depart but keep their scholarship? Portal is closed to new entrants. Not sure I follow. If any don’t return for summer, it would be to transfer while no longer playing college football. Ex. Mark Forcucci this winter. I’m not aware of any.
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Post by timholycross on May 20, 2024 7:26:54 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 20, 2024 8:49:56 GMT -5
In its current form, correct. I’m willing to make an educated call that Kit, Chesney and now Curran were/are working with the relevant administrators to find a workable solution…time will tell if it’s possible but again this isn’t for 2025. 2024 frosh will be 5th yeard in 2028 which is crazy to think about. It will still provide a useful option. I doubt we have all that many athletes who are math/physics majors and want to get a masters in engineering. Currently, those that do have to get the bachelors from us and then do two years in a grad engineering program, a 4-2. Some of them will choose the new 4-1 option. It will save them one year of grad school tuition. But a few may choose to redshirt, do a fifth year here and then do the one at WPI, a 5-1, especially if they're on scholarship the fifth year. As I read the program prospectus, HC students in mathematics, physics, and computer sciences, can begin taking courses at WPI in their junior year at HC. WPI requires a minimum of 30 credit hours at WPI for a Masters degree. The program seems to be set up so that a HC student can take 6 credit hours at WPI while attending HC, followed by 24 credit hours at WPI #. Four courses per semester x 2 x 3 credit hours per course = 24. The HC student receives their degree from HC in four years and his/her master's degree at WPI in one year. In the graduate program year, the student is enrolled at WPI, and is not a matriculating student at HC. A student not matriculating at a college / university cannot be rostered on an athletic team at that college / university. # Whether HC would allow courses taken at WPI to fulfill the course minimums for a HC baccalaureate degree, or whether the @wpi courses would be additive to the general four courses per semester HC standard, or whether WPI would give credit to certain courses taken at HC I know not.
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Post by efg72 on May 20, 2024 9:28:08 GMT -5
So what is the roster size? Who if any depart- but keep their scholarship? How could someone depart but keep their scholarship? Portal is closed to new entrants. Not sure I follow. If any don’t return for summer, it would be to transfer while no longer playing college football. Ex. Mark Forcucci this winter. I’m not aware of any. I was suggesting a player leaves the team, due to some injury, stays at Holy Cross, and keep their scholarship to focus on his/her academic work for their remaining time at the school
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 20, 2024 9:55:50 GMT -5
We have had multiple players do so
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