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Post by mm67 on May 20, 2024 10:18:48 GMT -5
The HC-WPI program is focused entirely on academics. There is no apparent 5th yr athletic redshirt year available within this program as clearly & concisely described by PP. Can't play football for HC while playing academic ball at WPI. I still believe the apparent move to non-medical redshirts will put HC at a disadvantage. Tangentially, the AI is merely an implementation of HC policy. If there is no league wide policy restricting athletic admissions to students who are broadly academically representative of the student body (AI) HC will be at a disadvantage. All this unless one expects HC to totally upend its policies in service to glory in athletics. I, for one, hope & expect HC not to lose its soul.
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Post by efg72 on May 20, 2024 10:35:43 GMT -5
Does their departure from the roster count against our roster size or just the scholarship dollars?
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 20, 2024 11:56:18 GMT -5
How could someone depart but keep their scholarship? Portal is closed to new entrants. Not sure I follow. If any don’t return for summer, it would be to transfer while no longer playing college football. Ex. Mark Forcucci this winter. I’m not aware of any. I was suggesting a player leaves the team, due to some injury, stays at Holy Cross, and keep their scholarship to focus on his/her academic work for their remaining time at the school My limited understanding is that this is where some sort of insurance policy comes into play. If a player has a career ending injury (Kiessling, Liam Doran etc) I believe that those scholarship funds become available. Again, I’m not aware of any current player that is hanging up the spurs in the next 3 months b/c of an injury. A couple worth watching that might be one more injury or a re-injury away though.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 20, 2024 11:58:11 GMT -5
I can't imagine a kid who receives a full scholarship to Holy Cross for football and quits the team after his freshman season, would retain that scholarship for the next three years. I'm sure the "fine print" would say that in order to maintain his scholarship, he has to be in good standing on the team.
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Post by hc6774 on May 20, 2024 12:10:02 GMT -5
It will still provide a useful option. I doubt we have all that many athletes who are math/physics majors and want to get a masters in engineering. Currently, those that do have to get the bachelors from us and then do two years in a grad engineering program, a 4-2. Some of them will choose the new 4-1 option. It will save them one year of grad school tuition. But a few may choose to redshirt, do a fifth year here and then do the one at WPI, a 5-1, especially if they're on scholarship the fifth year. As I read the program prospectus, HC students in mathematics, physics, and computer sciences, can begin taking courses at WPI in their junior year at HC. WPI requires a minimum of 30 credit hours at WPI for a Masters degree. The program seems to be set up so that a HC student can take 6 credit hours at WPI while attending HC, followed by 24 credit hours at WPI #. Four courses per semester x 2 x 3 credit hours per course = 24. The HC student receives their degree from HC in four years and his/her master's degree at WPI in one year. In the graduate program year, the student is enrolled at WPI, and is not a matriculating student at HC. A student not matriculating at a college / university cannot be rostered on an athletic team at that college / university. # Whether HC would allow courses taken at WPI to fulfill the course minimums for a HC baccalaureate degree, or whether the @wpi courses would be additive to the general four courses per semester HC standard, or whether WPI would give credit to certain courses taken at HC I know not. Is it a stretch to consider the HC/WPI collaboration consistent with HC's culture & community?
See the PL Pres Council Dec '22 statement that eliminated the 90 football roster limit. It included language that '... member institutions can manage rosters consistent with their own culture & community.'an academic convenience available to all HC students to continue studies within the Worcester community?
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Post by hc69 on May 20, 2024 15:32:32 GMT -5
It could be consistent with our culture and community but not NCAA regulations. In the grad year the student is enrolled at WPI and earning credits toward a WPI grad degree. He would be eligible at WPI but not HC.
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Post by hcnj on May 20, 2024 15:43:27 GMT -5
I can't imagine a kid who receives a full scholarship to Holy Cross for football and quits the team after his freshman season, would retain that scholarship for the next three years. I'm sure the "fine print" would say that in order to maintain his scholarship, he has to be in good standing on the team. you're right in terms of how it worked in the past, the specific situations I'm familiar with in the past was with bball the school "took care of the costs" and the scholarship immediately beomes open. I know of one case where an injured student athlete refused to accept the offer because he wanted to be rostered all four years. Not what our coach wanted but accepted and honored by us. In that case the athlete only had Sr yr left. But the Ga bball recruit injured his senior yr was taken care of for 4 yrs and schollie redeployed. Others as well.
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Post by 78purple on May 20, 2024 15:57:09 GMT -5
I can't imagine a kid who receives a full scholarship to Holy Cross for football and quits the team after his freshman season, would retain that scholarship for the next three years. I'm sure the "fine print" would say that in order to maintain his scholarship, he has to be in good standing on the team. You have to be correct.......
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 20, 2024 15:57:39 GMT -5
I can't imagine a kid who receives a full scholarship to Holy Cross for football and quits the team after his freshman season, would retain that scholarship for the next three years. I'm sure the "fine print" would say that in order to maintain his scholarship, he has to be in good standing on the team. you're right in terms of how it worked in the past, the specific situations I'm familiar with in the past was with bball the school "took care of the costs" and the scholarship immediately beomes open. I know of one case where an injured student athlete refused to accept the offer because he wanted to be rostered all four years. Not what our coach wanted but accepted and honored by us. In that case the athlete only had Sr yr left. But the Ga bball recruit injured his senior yr was taken care of for 4 yrs and schollie redeployed. Others as well. IIRC HC had permission from the NCAA to include him on the hoops roster, but as a non-competing player. He didn't count against the 13 cap. I believe there was a standout hockey player who was injured before his senior year, not medically cleared to play his senior year, but rostered with the team and did not count against the then-cap {<Atlantic Hockey] for men's ice hockey. RC was quite unique as he was injured before he enrolled.
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 20, 2024 18:28:50 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on May 20, 2024 19:02:59 GMT -5
MW, Had you indicated that Miller is a PWO ?
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 20, 2024 19:13:05 GMT -5
Yes
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