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Post by hchoops on Aug 24, 2023 12:30:37 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 24, 2023 18:18:59 GMT -5
Self preservation move for the ACC. And probably a smart one. Wouldn't surprise me to see South Florida and Tulane possibly in the mix soon as well.
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 24, 2023 19:48:46 GMT -5
But Stanford, Cal and SMU do not add much pizazz to the football scene - I see the rationale to add them but the eyeballs on ACC football might actually go down especially with west coast start times
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 24, 2023 20:01:29 GMT -5
But Stanford, Cal and SMU do not add much pizazz to the football scene - I see the rationale to add them but the eyeballs on ACC football might actually go down especially with west coast start times No pizzazz and the revenue pie doesn't grow much, if at all. It's all about trying to prevent becoming the next PAC 12. Pre-emptively expand, so that way if a mass exodus takes place, you don't end up with 4 teams.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 24, 2023 20:05:25 GMT -5
But Stanford, Cal and SMU do not add much pizazz to the football scene - I see the rationale to add them but the eyeballs on ACC football might actually go down especially with west coast start times Stanford is enough of a national brand and were very good recently enough that they move the needle. SMU and Cal - yawn. But, Stanford and Cal are a package deal.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 24, 2023 20:29:31 GMT -5
But Stanford, Cal and SMU do not add much pizazz to the football scene - I see the rationale to add them but the eyeballs on ACC football might actually go down especially with west coast start times I don't think you are going to see 10pm eastern kickoffs for Stanford and Cal if they were to be added. They would likely be late afternoon kickoffs in California for prime time on the east coast. Even a noon kickoff is a 3pm start out east.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 24, 2023 22:09:21 GMT -5
The Directors Cup for overall success for all sports has been around for 29 years. Stanford has won it 26 times.
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Post by gks on Aug 25, 2023 8:05:15 GMT -5
The Cal-Ford add would be for football and hoops only. IMO neither of those bring anything. This is just a stop gap.
No secret that Florida State, whether warranted or not, is not happy. Can probably throw Clemson in that mix too. ACC football just doesn't have the same juice that the Big Ten and Big 12 bring hence smaller bank accounts.
I don't think Big 12 is done which means Big 10 and their money printing machine will be on the prowl too.
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Post by trimster on Sept 1, 2023 7:21:16 GMT -5
Pete Thamel just reported the ACC has voted to offer membership to Stanford, Cal and SMU. The madness continues.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 1, 2023 7:36:18 GMT -5
Financials were apparently worked out to the satisfaction of the ACC holdouts. Stanford/Cal partial ACC members. SMU getting no cash from ACC media rights for several years.
Looks like Stanford will not be joining Patriot League football.
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Post by gks on Sept 1, 2023 7:39:33 GMT -5
IMO....ACC is still in survival mode.
If you're Florida State and see the check that your neighbor University of Florida is cashing compared to yours you are not happy. If you're Clemson and see the check that your neighbor University of South Carolina is cashing compared to yours you are not happy.
West Coast TV slots will be a temporary boost.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 1, 2023 7:52:06 GMT -5
Cal vs BC can renew their classic rivalry as traditional ACC teams
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Post by purplehaze on Sept 1, 2023 8:47:16 GMT -5
Yes, this is a mess ! but at least some sense has prevailed if this indeed only for football and basketball - has that been confirmed ?
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Post by hchoops on Sept 1, 2023 9:03:44 GMT -5
Many, many basketball cross country trips in mid week make little sense. Especially for Cal and Stanford. What will the 3 schools do for the other sports ?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 1, 2023 9:37:05 GMT -5
Many, many basketballs cross country trips in mid week make little sense. Especially for Cal and Stanford. What will the 3 schools do for the other sports ? They'll be in the ACC excpet for sports that ACC doesn't sponsor. Going to be rough.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 1, 2023 11:40:54 GMT -5
Been pointed out that ESPN can renegotiate its deal w/the ACC if the number of teams drops below 15. It's now 18, which probably means they think Clemson, FSU and UNC are gone when they have SEC or Big 10 invitations and it's financially feasible to do it.
No question OSU and WSU will end up in the MWC.
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Post by mm67 on Sept 1, 2023 12:11:02 GMT -5
ACC with media ratings hype will eventually build their brand to at least create limited competition in ratings with the bigger Big & the SE Professional Football Conference. Big bucks are going to be flying. Oh, to be an aspiring big time football star player in this hyper competitive environment. Man, back up a Brinks style truck to bring in my multimillion dollar haul. Money isn't everything but it sure doesn't hurt. Footballers mantra, " Show me the money."
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Post by HC92 on Sept 1, 2023 14:16:58 GMT -5
Seems like ACC should add UConn. Helps the basketball brand a lot more than any of these other schools. Not sure football at Cal or SMU helps more than UConn would. UConn just played the 4th best team in the ACC pretty evenly last night and that’s while recruiting as an independent. I think UConn could be competitive in ACC football pretty quickly with Mora at the helm.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 1, 2023 14:22:03 GMT -5
Many, many basketballs cross country trips in mid week make little sense. Especially for Cal and Stanford. What will the 3 schools do for the other sports ? They'll be in the ACC excpet for sports that ACC doesn't sponsor. Going to be rough. I believe the NCAA rule is that if you are in a conference for hoops, you are required to compete in the Olympic sports in that conference, if the conference competes in those sports. Football is the exception.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 1, 2023 14:50:01 GMT -5
I believe the NCAA rule is that if you are in a conference for hoops, you are required to compete in the Olympic sports in that conference, if the conference competes in those sports. Football is the exception. The NCAA does not have rules around conference membership. It's generally the conferences themselves that may require members to federate with them in major sports, but there were exceptions: Miami never competed in Big East baseball, for example, and for a number of years Providence did not compete in the Big East for volleyball. There were also cases of schools competing as an independent in basketball but as a conference member for other sports, such as Notre Dame in the Midwestern City Conference in the 1980s. (The MCC, now Horizon, had a basketball conference originally including Butler, Evansville, Loyola, Oklahoma City, Oral Roberts, and Xavier.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 2, 2023 5:50:02 GMT -5
I believe the NCAA rule is that if you are in a conference for hoops, you are required to compete in the Olympic sports in that conference, if the conference competes in those sports. Football is the exception. The NCAA does not have rules around conference membership. It's generally the conferences themselves that may require members to federate with them in major sports, but there were exceptions: Miami never competed in Big East baseball, for example, and for a number of years Providence did not compete in the Big East for volleyball. There were also cases of schools competing as an independent in basketball but as a conference member for other sports, such as Notre Dame in the Midwestern City Conference in the 1980s. (The MCC, now Horizon, had a basketball conference originally including Butler, Evansville, Loyola, Oklahoma City, Oral Roberts, and Xavier. I could be wrong, but I think the only NCAA-specific rule is one that doesn't allow BASKETBALL-only memberships. Pretty much everything else is the conferences themselves using leverage to require members to federate in particular sports as you mention. But there's tons of examples of schools not playing in their primary athletic conference for a specific sport, as you point out. Fairfield is in the CAA in LAX despite the fact that the MAAC sponsors the sport. When Loyola was in the MAAC, same thing, they didn't play lacrosse there. Merrimack is now in the A-East in lacrosse as well but NEC in everything else.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 2, 2023 5:56:51 GMT -5
IMO....ACC is still in survival mode. If you're Florida State and see the check that your neighbor University of Florida is cashing compared to yours you are not happy. If you're Clemson and see the check that your neighbor University of South Carolina is cashing compared to yours you are not happy. West Coast TV slots will be a temporary boost. I definitely expect to see movement of at least a couple of the heavy hitters out of the ACC. Strong move adding Stanford, Cal and SMU in my opinion. A Self-preservation move in the event there's an exodus in the near future, which there almost certainly will be. Pac-12 would still be alive today (and the Big 12 dead) if it had added Oklahoma, OK State, Texas and Texas Tech 10 years ago as was rumored. Baylor would've ended up over there as well, for certain.
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Post by trimster on Sept 2, 2023 9:30:52 GMT -5
Pete Thamel, ESPN Sep 2, 2023, 09:38 AM ET Facebook Twitter Facebook Messenger Pinterest Email print Army has emerged as the American Athletic Conference's top expansion target, sources said.
After a call with AAC presidents and ADs on Friday morning, it was clear that Army was the league's top choice to replace SMU, according to sources. Commissioner Mike Aresco has begun informally exploring Army as an expansion candidate.
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Post by bison137 on Sept 2, 2023 11:23:44 GMT -5
Been pointed out that ESPN can renegotiate its deal w/the ACC if the number of teams drops below 15. It's now 18, which probably means they think Clemson, FSU and UNC are gone when they have SEC or Big 10 invitations and it's financially feasible to do it. Maybe. But the grant of rights agreement that each ACC school signed in 2016 transferred all of the media rights of all of the schools irrevocably and exclusively to the conference, even if the school leaves. That contract does not expire until 2036 and it was drafted by some very good attorneys. Clemson and Florida State have both hired their own attorneys to try to find a loophole, and so far both have been unsuccessful. They can’t leave if they give up all of their media money for the next 13 years to the ACC, even when they are playing in a different conference. They would get no revenue distribution from the ACC, and also no revenue distribution from their new conference if they left. That grant of rights agreement is why Clemson and FSU did not leave the ACC at least a year ago.
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Post by alum on Sept 2, 2023 14:58:21 GMT -5
Been pointed out that ESPN can renegotiate its deal w/the ACC if the number of teams drops below 15. It's now 18, which probably means they think Clemson, FSU and UNC are gone when they have SEC or Big 10 invitations and it's financially feasible to do it. Maybe. But the grant of rights agreement that each ACC school signed in 2016 transferred all of the media rights of all of the schools irrevocably and exclusively to the conference, even if the school leaves. That contract does not expire until 2036 and it was drafted by some very good attorneys. Clemson and Florida State have both hired their own attorneys to try to find a loophole, and so far both have been unsuccessful. They can’t leave if they give up all of their media money for the next 13 years to the ACC, even when they are playing in a different conference. They would get no revenue distribution from the ACC, and also no revenue distribution from their new conference if they left. That grant of rights agreement is why Clemson and FSU did not leave the ACC at least a year ago. Unconscionable? Restraint of trade? Spitballing here.
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