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Post by bison137 on Sept 2, 2023 19:11:48 GMT -5
Maybe. But the grant of rights agreement that each ACC school signed in 2016 transferred all of the media rights of all of the schools irrevocably and exclusively to the conference, even if the school leaves. That contract does not expire until 2036 and it was drafted by some very good attorneys. Clemson and Florida State have both hired their own attorneys to try to find a loophole, and so far both have been unsuccessful. They can’t leave if they give up all of their media money for the next 13 years to the ACC, even when they are playing in a different conference. They would get no revenue distribution from the ACC, and also no revenue distribution from their new conference if they left. That grant of rights agreement is why Clemson and FSU did not leave the ACC at least a year ago. Unconscionable? Restraint of trade? Spitballing here. i’m not an attorney, but I know both of the schools have had many high, priced attorneys study the situation with no idea how to get out of it. All of the schools obviously had it reviewed by attorneys and the top of their school administration prior to signing on. At the time Clemson and FSU we’re all for it. |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 2, 2023 19:50:37 GMT -5
Pete Thamel, ESPN Sep 2, 2023, 09:38 AM ET Facebook Twitter Facebook Messenger Pinterest Email print Army has emerged as the American Athletic Conference's top expansion target, sources said. After a call with AAC presidents and ADs on Friday morning, it was clear that Army was the league's top choice to replace SMU, according to sources. Commissioner Mike Aresco has begun informally exploring Army as an expansion candidate. ADVERTISEMENT Makes sense for FB only because Army has a geographic sweet spot in the PL. They have three schools to the north (HC, BU, CU) three to the west (Lehigh, Lafayette and Bucknell) and three to the south (American, Loyola, Navy) with West Point right in the middle, which is what you want for minor sports, of which Army plays many. |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 2, 2023 20:11:01 GMT -5
Maybe. But the grant of rights agreement that each ACC school signed in 2016 transferred all of the media rights of all of the schools irrevocably and exclusively to the conference, even if the school leaves. That contract does not expire until 2036 and it was drafted by some very good attorneys. Clemson and Florida State have both hired their own attorneys to try to find a loophole, and so far both have been unsuccessful. They can’t leave if they give up all of their media money for the next 13 years to the ACC, even when they are playing in a different conference. They would get no revenue distribution from the ACC, and also no revenue distribution from their new conference if they left. That grant of rights agreement is why Clemson and FSU did not leave the ACC at least a year ago. Unconscionable? Restraint of trade? Spitballing here. It's not an unfair agreement if the schools received something of value in exchange for signing. The league as a whole could maximize media revenue more than each school individually so that's the value member schools are enjoying. The agreement to lock in for twenty years generated higher media rights because it gave media companies more surety, imo. If another league now generates higher media revenue, tough cookie. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 2, 2023 22:02:03 GMT -5
Many, many basketball cross country trips in mid week make little sense. Especially for Cal and Stanford. What will the 3 schools do for the other sports ? Cal and Stanford are CURRENTLY America East members in Field Hockey. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 2, 2023 22:04:40 GMT -5
The NCAA does not have rules around conference membership. It's generally the conferences themselves that may require members to federate with them in major sports, but there were exceptions: Miami never competed in Big East baseball, for example, and for a number of years Providence did not compete in the Big East for volleyball. There were also cases of schools competing as an independent in basketball but as a conference member for other sports, such as Notre Dame in the Midwestern City Conference in the 1980s. (The MCC, now Horizon, had a basketball conference originally including Butler, Evansville, Loyola, Oklahoma City, Oral Roberts, and Xavier. I could be wrong, but I think the only NCAA-specific rule is one that doesn't allow BASKETBALL-only memberships. Pretty much everything else is the conferences themselves using leverage to require members to federate in particular sports as you mention. But there's tons of examples of schools not playing in their primary athletic conference for a specific sport, as you point out. Fairfield is in the CAA in LAX despite the fact that the MAAC sponsors the sport. When Loyola was in the MAAC, same thing, they didn't play lacrosse there. Merrimack is now in the A-East in lacrosse as well but NEC in everything else. The NEC does NOT sponsor Men's Lacrosse anymore |
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Post by alum on Sept 3, 2023 6:09:24 GMT -5
Unconscionable? Restraint of trade? Spitballing here. i’m not an attorney, but I know both of the schools have had many high, priced attorneys study the situation with no idea how to get out of it. All of the schools obviously had it reviewed by attorneys and the top of their school administration prior to signing on. At the time Clemson and FSU we’re all for it. I don’t disagree that parties, especially sophisticated ones, should be held to their agreements. I’m just thinking out loud here. ESPN ‘s role in this should be looked at, too. They own both the ACC and SEC networks. Ought they be able to contract with two different groups in a way that creates such a long term limitation on freedom to contract of the member schools? |
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Post by hchoops on Sept 3, 2023 6:28:17 GMT -5
Pete Thamel, ESPN Sep 2, 2023, 09:38 AM ET Facebook Twitter Facebook Messenger Pinterest Email print Army has emerged as the American Athletic Conference's top expansion target, sources said. After a call with AAC presidents and ADs on Friday morning, it was clear that Army was the league's top choice to replace SMU, according to sources. Commissioner Mike Aresco has begun informally exploring Army as an expansion candidate. ADVERTISEMENT If this happens, would Army leave for all sports ? And abandon Navy ? And put the PL back to 8 for hoops and some.other sports ? . . |
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Post by alum on Sept 3, 2023 6:37:51 GMT -5
Pete Thamel, ESPN Sep 2, 2023, 09:38 AM ET Facebook Twitter Facebook Messenger Pinterest Email print Army has emerged as the American Athletic Conference's top expansion target, sources said. After a call with AAC presidents and ADs on Friday morning, it was clear that Army was the league's top choice to replace SMU, according to sources. Commissioner Mike Aresco has begun informally exploring Army as an expansion candidate. ADVERTISEMENT If this happens, would Army leave for all sports ? And abandon Navy ? And put the PL back to 8 for hoops and some.other sports ? . . Per this story, football only apnews.com/article/aac-army-conference-realignment-navy-7b6b011592bfedc1143e3115ebd739e5 |
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Post by timholycross on Sept 3, 2023 6:59:20 GMT -5
Clearly for football only. The PL is not holding Army basketball back; the very nature of the Academy (not that it's wrong in any way) does a good enough job of that. That sport at least would be a disastah.
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Post by bison137 on Sept 3, 2023 14:11:54 GMT -5
Pete Thamel, ESPN Sep 2, 2023, 09:38 AM ET Facebook Twitter Facebook Messenger Pinterest Email print Army has emerged as the American Athletic Conference's top expansion target, sources said. After a call with AAC presidents and ADs on Friday morning, it was clear that Army was the league's top choice to replace SMU, according to sources. Commissioner Mike Aresco has begun informally exploring Army as an expansion candidate. ADVERTISEMENT If this happens, would Army leave for all sports ? And abandon Navy ? And put the PL back to 8 for hoops and some.other sports ? . . No chance. Not even a remote consideration. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 4, 2023 14:32:50 GMT -5
Navy has been a football only member of the AAC since 2015.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 4, 2023 19:51:26 GMT -5
Navy has been a football only member of the AAC since 2015. Correct. They had actually committed to joining the Big East in football prior to the split. Was 1st time in Academy history they had joined a conference in football. |
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Post by purplehaze on Sept 5, 2023 9:27:52 GMT -5
Speaking of the ACC - how about last night's score - Duke 28, Clemson 7 and it was not a fluke.
Clemson has been one of the 'high and mighty' schools looking to extract themselves from the grant of rights / tv deal - maybe their franchise will be tarnished this season
Duke's next game is Saturday vs. Lafayette, that's our Lafayette
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Post by timholycross on Sept 5, 2023 10:20:08 GMT -5
Navy has been a football only member of the AAC since 2015. Correct. They had actually committed to joining the Big East in football prior to the split. Was 1st time in Academy history they had joined a conference in football. Neither the league they joined or the one they would have joined ever indicated there was mutual interest in Navy joining in all sports. I'm sure Army is in the same situation |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 5, 2023 10:52:25 GMT -5
AAC Football is a no-mans-land of irrelevance. Their members are unlikely to ever win a national championship yet they do not enjoy the FCS dividend of lower cost regional play, more stable conferences, lower salaries, fewer scholarships, smaller NIL swamp and a chance to win a national championship like Holy Cross enjoys.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 5, 2023 11:03:13 GMT -5
Correct. They had actually committed to joining the Big East in football prior to the split. Was 1st time in Academy history they had joined a conference in football. Neither the league they joined or the one they would have joined ever indicated there was mutual interest in Navy joining in all sports. I'm sure Army is in the same situatuation. IMHO this would be a bad move for Army (joining AAC football) . There is a reason they now pick and choose a soft football schedule. Joining AAC would limit that ability. I think Navy's recent experience as an AAC football member might give them pause. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 5, 2023 12:32:07 GMT -5
Correct. They had actually committed to joining the Big East in football prior to the split. Was 1st time in Academy history they had joined a conference in football. Neither the league they joined or the one they would have joined ever indicated there was mutual interest in Navy joining in all sports. I'm sure Army is in the same situatuation. There is ZERO chance either Army or Navy join AAC in all sports. |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 5, 2023 17:22:37 GMT -5
What says "Patriot" League more than the U S. Military and Naval Academies? Proud that Holy Cross is in the Patriot League.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 5, 2023 20:21:45 GMT -5
What says "Patriot" League more than the U S. Military and Naval Academies? Proud that Holy Cross is in the Patriot League. In 5 years, BU and American will spearhead a name change because "patriot" is too offensive. |
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Post by HC92 on Sept 6, 2023 5:28:56 GMT -5
What says "Patriot" League more than the U S. Military and Naval Academies? Proud that Holy Cross is in the Patriot League. In 5 years, BU and American will spearhead a name change because "patriot" is too offensive. So is “American” so they should tread carefully. |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Sept 6, 2023 8:23:19 GMT -5
Only Holy Cross changed our terribly offensive mascot (or outright abandoned it) within the last 20 years, so we shouldn't be throwing stones.
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Post by CHC8485 on Sept 6, 2023 8:44:01 GMT -5
Colgate dropped Red from Raiders early this century.
And Lehigh dropped Engineers in favor of Mountain Hawks about 30 years ago. 😁
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 6, 2023 9:07:16 GMT -5
Colgate dropped Red from Raiders early this century. And Lehigh dropped Engineers in favor of Mountain Hawks about 30 years ago. 😁 Not Patriot League related but Union just dropped Dutchmen and Dutchwomen for Garnet Chargers. |
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