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Post by sader1970 on Sept 29, 2023 19:20:11 GMT -5
Been watching this game on ESPNU. Princeton up 3-0 at the half.
Not sure if Princeton has gotten that bad or Columbia has improved that much. Columbia actually looks better but got within the 5 yard line and couldn't convert a 4th down play. Princeton gets the ball, Columbia defense holds them and looks like momentum all Columbia but then Columbia fumbles the punt. Princeton again can't make any offensive progress but goes into the locker room with a 3 point lead. Not sure but Columbia looks like they can beat the Tigers.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 29, 2023 19:51:21 GMT -5
Holy Moly. Lions up 7-3 on an amazing pick 6. Tigers on their own 9 and try to throw in the right flat and Columbia player catches it on the run w/o breaking stride.
Also, ESPNU worse streaming than ESPN+. Lots of mini-glitches almost every play. Perhaps due to horrible metro NY weather?
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Post by hcpride on Sept 29, 2023 20:31:13 GMT -5
It is within the realm of possibility that Columbia - who lost earlier to Laffy 24-3 - is not very good. They’re up 7-3 in the 4th quarter to Princeton who isn’t very good either.
Well matched.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 29, 2023 21:06:24 GMT -5
Princeton up 10-7 FINAL SCORE
Great efort by Columbia.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 29, 2023 21:23:30 GMT -5
Princeton definitely down compared to recent seasons. Had to figure that when they lost to Bryant.
Was hoping the Lions would get the stop there and pull it out.
ESPNU announcers were gushing about Holy Cross for a couple minutes, with one saying we were the best Patriot League team he'd ever seen. Hopefully, we look like that tomorrow.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 29, 2023 22:01:13 GMT -5
Princeton definitely down compared to recent seasons. Had to figure that when they lost to Bryant. Was hoping the Lions would get the stop there and pull it out. ESPNU announcers were gushing about Holy Cross for a couple minutes, with one saying we were the best Patriot League team he'd ever seen. Hopefully, we look like that tomorrow. Eric Freed who was doing PBP lives in New England and used to work for NESN.... |
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Post by cruskater31 on Sept 29, 2023 22:15:01 GMT -5
Knew that voice sounded familiar. I am assuming the announcers were familiar with typical Patriot League teams. Good defense from the Tigers and Lions but there were plenty of drops and otherwise forgettable plays. The pick 6 was the highlight.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 29, 2023 23:08:54 GMT -5
Princeton up 10-7 FINAL SCORE Great efort by Columbia. That tops off a special day for Princeton Alum General Milley who retired today. |
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Post by hcpride on Sept 30, 2023 4:49:56 GMT -5
Princeton’s about as good as Columbia and Harvard’s about as good as Brown and Yale’s about as good as Cornell. If very recent results mean something. I think Laffy (who beat Columbia 24-3) would beat them all. We’re not talking a quality FCS conference, but they do have parity.
I watched Nova v URI last week and it looked like the SEC in comparison. BTW Nova is back after a down year.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 30, 2023 7:09:54 GMT -5
So, Harvard won't even shut the busses off when they get to Worcester? On the bright side it looks like two potential
PL Super Bowls this year against both Laffy and Fordham.
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Post by hcnj on Sept 30, 2023 7:35:02 GMT -5
Princeton definitely down compared to recent seasons. Had to figure that when they lost to Bryant. Was hoping the Lions would get the stop there and pull it out. ESPNU announcers were gushing about Holy Cross for a couple minutes, with one saying we were the best Patriot League team he'd ever seen. Hopefully, we look like that tomorrow. I'm wondering the same thing about Princeton but Bryant game outcome was heavily weather influenced. Did weather play a major role last night? |
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Post by timholycross on Sept 30, 2023 8:44:43 GMT -5
Princeton definitely down compared to recent seasons. Had to figure that when they lost to Bryant. Was hoping the Lions would get the stop there and pull it out. ESPNU announcers were gushing about Holy Cross for a couple minutes, with one saying we were the best Patriot League team he'd ever seen. Hopefully, we look like that tomorrow. I'm wondering the same thing about Princeton but Bryant game outcome was heavily weather influenced. Did weather play a major role last night? Princeton dominated the game statistically, gocolumbialions.com/news/2023/9/30/late-score-lifts-princeton-to-10-7-win-over-football.aspx 7 penalties, missed field goal, blocked punt, fumble. Yes, the rain seemed to influence the game. |
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Post by cruskater31 on Sept 30, 2023 9:17:39 GMT -5
Columbia had more drops than the rain falling out of the sky. The field looked slick as well.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Sept 30, 2023 9:33:40 GMT -5
Being a frugal fellow, I attended the 2nd half of the game last night, when they normally stop checking for tickets at the gates. It was more like a mist and very light rain for the entire time I was there. Nevertheless, I suspect the ball was slick. As for the quality of play, the Princeton QB is a transfer from Colorado, which happened long before coach Prime arrived. I think Columbia has improved. I recall two clutch 4th down completions late in the game. But there were also a couple of easy drops by one of the Lion's wide receivers. Defense seemed to run out of gas and that final TD drive by the Tigers. PU lost to Bryant on a botched punt last week, but squeaked by PFL opponent San Diego. On the other hand, Columbia shut out GU. So I think the Lions have improved, while the Tigers are a bit down from previous seasons.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 30, 2023 9:42:15 GMT -5
OK, I have to ask, what is the PFL?
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Post by princetoncrusader on Sept 30, 2023 9:46:24 GMT -5
Pioneer Football League is the official name I believe.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 30, 2023 9:48:25 GMT -5
Thanks. I really had no idea.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 30, 2023 10:27:14 GMT -5
Being a frugal fellow, I attended the 2nd half of the game last night, when they normally stop checking for tickets at the gates. It was more like a mist and very light rain for the entire time I was there. Nevertheless, I suspect the ball was slick. As for the quality of play, the Princeton QB is a transfer from Colorado, which happened long before coach Prime arrived. I think Columbia has improved. I recall two clutch 4th down completions late in the game. But there were also a couple of easy drops by one of the Lion's wide receivers. Defense seemed to run out of gas and that final TD drive by the Tigers. PU lost to Bryant on a botched punt last week, but squeaked by PFL opponent San Diego. On the other hand, Columbia shut out GU. So I think the Lions have improved, while the Tigers are a bit down from previous seasons. Its hard to say as Georgetown may not be a good measuring stick for anything at any time football-wise. Ever. Ordinarily it is not easy to lose to Columbia 30-0 so I see your point. But Columbia did lose 24-3 to Laffy. Does that mean Laffy beats Georgetown 50-0? I don't know. Actually, maybe. That aside, Columbia may be a bit better and Princeton a bit (more than a bit?) worse than last year. I attended Princeton v Cornell last year (at Princeton) and thought Princeton was very very good (relative to Ivy competition) with some individuals (including one receiver) with top FCS talent. But then they lost two at the end so who knows. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 30, 2023 10:58:30 GMT -5
I actually think Columbia is a little worse than they've been the past couple years and Princeton is a lot worse.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 30, 2023 11:09:58 GMT -5
Thanks. I really had no idea. It's the no scholarship FCS league that no scholarship Georgetown has no interest in joining according to our Hoya on the board. Groucho Marx: "I'd never join a club that would have me." I like GU in the PL but hope they devote a few more resources to support the FB program to keep up with a FB conference on the upswing. |
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 30, 2023 11:25:08 GMT -5
Per the graphics, Princeton had 40-41 seniors and 5th year seniors the prior two seasons and this season have only 18, so this is the reason/excuse (?) made last night that the Tigers are inexperienced and learning.
I have no doubt that Columbia is NOT the dregs that they’ve been historically. They looked plenty good for most of the game. I believe their receiver (#2) while he may have dropped a ball or two, made an outstanding Coker-type catch to keep a final or almost final drive alive. Their defense looked plenty good, especially their line and especially #76.
Believe I posted above while the game was on and reinforced with some post game pause that Princeton is not as good as they’ve been (won’t seriously challenge for league championship) but Columbia’s fortunes should be on the upswing. Yes, Ivy League approaching parity.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 30, 2023 11:34:58 GMT -5
Per the graphics, Princeton had 40-41 seniors and 5th year seniors the prior two seasons and this season have only 18, so this is the reason/excuse (?) made last night that the Tigers are inexperienced and learning. I have no doubt that Columbia is NOT the dregs that they’ve been historically. They looked plenty good for most of the game. I believe their receiver (#2) while he may have dropped a ball or two, made an outstanding Coker-type catch to keep a final or almost final drive alive. Their defense looked plenty good, especially their line and especially #76. Believe I posted above while the game was on and reinforced with some post game pause that Princeton is not as good as they’ve been (won’t seriously challenge for league championship) but Columbia’s fortunes should be on the upswing. Yes, Ivy League approaching parity. Agree regarding parity (if recent scores are any indicator). I don't see much high FCS-level talent on the Ivy rosters now (there are exceptions) which is perhaps why the teams are generally lower FCS in the rankings. Princeton may not be any good (relative to a high FCS team like Holy Cross or William & Mary) but that does not necessarily preclude challenging for the Ivy championship this year. They are 1-0, after all and don't have to defeat good FCS teams to win their league championship. |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 30, 2023 16:52:47 GMT -5
Per the graphics, Princeton had 40-41 seniors and 5th year seniors the prior two seasons and this season have only 18, so this is the reason/excuse (?) made last night that the Tigers are inexperienced and learning. I have no doubt that Columbia is NOT the dregs that they’ve been historically. They looked plenty good for most of the game. I believe their receiver (#2) while he may have dropped a ball or two, made an outstanding Coker-type catch to keep a final or almost final drive alive. Their defense looked plenty good, especially their line and especially #76. Believe I posted above while the game was on and reinforced with some post game pause that Princeton is not as good as they’ve been (won’t seriously challenge for league championship) but Columbia’s fortunes should be on the upswing. Yes, Ivy League approaching parity. Agree regarding parity (if recent scores are any indicator). I don't see much high FCS-level talent on the Ivy rosters now (there are exceptions) which is perhaps why the teams are generally lower FCS in the rankings. Princeton may not be any good (relative to a high FCS team like Holy Cross or William & Mary) but that does not necessarily preclude challenging for the Ivy championship this year. They are 1-0, after all and don't have to defeat good FCS teams to win their league championship. We played Yale in our third game and their first. The way Harvard started play today, like the Worcester Tornado of 1953, I'm thinking the IL starts their season in low FCS and climbs from there. They really should save an OOC contest for their ninth game before their big final weekend so they can show what they can do on equal footing vs regional FCS teams. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 30, 2023 22:14:18 GMT -5
I actually think Columbia is a little worse than they've been the past couple years and Princeton is a lot worse. I saw Columbia the last few years quite a few times...they have always been offensively challenged and they have lost their top receiver to graduation, The defense last night looked more of the same though very good. |
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