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Post by efg72 on Oct 1, 2023 18:13:52 GMT -5
Great clip of Chesney, Dobbs and Coker. Noticeably absent, Matt Sluka. What impresses me the most is that Coach Chesney has proven time and again to be a good winner but here is exhibit A that he is also a "good loser." Complimenting Harvard (deserved) and not taking cheap shots on any of our players but explaining we were lacking depth and experience on defense. He's the definition of a "class act." He did say what I said: Harvard was the better team "today." He also said that we needed to do better job getting the ball out which seems to jibe with observations here that Matt seemed to be a bit too hesitant to make decisions to throw the ball away or run if his receivers were covered. Credit to Harvard. Hard to use the word better We fell short Move on
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 1, 2023 18:34:13 GMT -5
How? That has to be considered an epic fail. Unless there were that many people whose ability to travel was disrupted by the biblical rains on Friday into Saturday. Not sure how bad it was in New England but parts of NYC got 7+ inches on Friday and we had tons of road closures. State of emergency was implemented. Weather was a non-factor as it relates to attendance. It was cloudy but dry all day and not dreadfully misty and cold like the previous week. There were plenty of Holy Cross fans in attendance, including a very large contingent of students in the right field upper deck (where the beer garden is located - of course). I would attribute the lower turnout to a lack of significant presence by Harvard fans. I saw some for sure, but not a big turnout by them. I guess Polar Park is not a significant enough draw to get them there. Blame Harvard fans not the school 2 miles down the street???
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 1, 2023 18:40:28 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 1, 2023 18:57:14 GMT -5
Outside of HYP games the Ivy league has fans of convenience. The league has been blessed with talented student athletes for nearly a century, but since the 60s and early 70s it is not a league supported by students or alums
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 1, 2023 19:09:20 GMT -5
Why though? HC fans have in the mind of you alums such a huge following they should be able to get to a modern park with no issue....
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 1, 2023 19:12:55 GMT -5
Weather was a non-factor as it relates to attendance. It was cloudy but dry all day and not dreadfully misty and cold like the previous week. There were plenty of Holy Cross fans in attendance, including a very large contingent of students in the right field upper deck (where the beer garden is located - of course). I would attribute the lower turnout to a lack of significant presence by Harvard fans. I saw some for sure, but not a big turnout by them. I guess Polar Park is not a significant enough draw to get them there. Blame Harvard fans not the school 2 miles down the street??? Maybe a message that fans don’t really like the Polar game.
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Post by hcmawfawo on Oct 1, 2023 19:21:51 GMT -5
Per ESPN attendance was 83 percent of capacity — just about 1,600 short — an indecipherable difference. The Harvard contingent was in fact very small — families of players presumably. All areas of the park seemed very well occupied by HC supporters - boxes, the concourses, the berm, the right field area, etc. Did people abandon some of the poorer sight line seats for improved locations — definitely. There was a good cross section of students, alums, locals, etc. Time to turn the page. HC has a postseason to work towards.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 2, 2023 6:13:14 GMT -5
How? That has to be considered an epic fail. Unless there were that many people whose ability to travel was disrupted by the biblical rains on Friday into Saturday. Not sure how bad it was in New England but parts of NYC got 7+ inches on Friday and we had tons of road closures. State of emergency was implemented. Spags mentality. Polar Park and HC tried to cash in on ticket prices. It's still an FCS game in a triple A ballpark in a second city. Advertised Garage Parking/tailgating also seemed to be priced to cash in, not to facilitate a stadium sell out. I don't think those prices for parking are much different than for a WooSox game...
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Oct 2, 2023 6:56:22 GMT -5
I've parked in that area hundreds of times and never paid more than a $1 (usually $0). You might have to walk a little bit.
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Post by hcmawfawo on Oct 2, 2023 7:10:09 GMT -5
Paid $5 to park on Saturday and walked 8 minutes to the game. No longer than parking at HC for Fitton and cheaper. Detailed information about all parking options is below. Doesn’t matter at this point but those who stay away because of perceived parking issues can consult next year. www.milb.com/worcester/ballpark/parking
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Post by timholycross on Oct 2, 2023 7:53:13 GMT -5
I'm not getting the feeling that there was much communication to the public regarding how many tickets were available. Combine that with an ominous forecast a day or two before; and you end up with empty seats.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 2, 2023 9:04:08 GMT -5
Slightly changing subjects here, I am awaiting the posts about how far we drop and how far Harvard rises in the polls after Saturday. Is that #11 previously quoted definitive? I think the FCS coaches poll is important. And years ago, many years ago, I was the guy who found and posted Massey's summary of multiple polls. I leave that to RGS now!
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 2, 2023 9:12:04 GMT -5
Actually, if I am reading this correctly, Massey has us as #22, down 8 spots and Harvard #15 up 15 spots. But, what does he know?
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 2, 2023 9:13:12 GMT -5
Massey's poll is only one poll of the 22 in his combined poll.
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Post by hc69 on Oct 2, 2023 9:18:22 GMT -5
The kicker was forcefully contacted while in the air and knocked down. That can't be running into. It's either roughing or nothing. To be blocked into, the force of the block must be toward the kicker and that's what causes the contact. Had the blocker kept his hands on the defender and pushed him toward the kicker, that would be blocked into. But he didn't. The blocker pushed the defender toward the side. That definitely altered the defender's path and he ended up hitting the kicker. But it was the defender's own momentum that took him into the kicker. Also worth noting that the contact happened several yards in front of the kicker.
Chesney is never reluctant to complain about calls. He didn't say a word. It was a bad play by his own player, We can see from the video that we had return set up, not punt block. We should get the ball back on Harvard's side of midfield. No reason for the defender to go for the block in that situation.
goholycross.com/watch/?Archive=1222&type=ArchiveYou didn’t watch the post game interview? He addresses it and calls BS. It was close. I never watch post game interviews. I got my fill of listening to the opinions of coaches when I was on the field.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 2, 2023 9:22:58 GMT -5
Actually, if I am reading this correctly, Massey has us as #22, down 8 spots and Harvard #15 up 15 spots. But, what does he know? He knows Harvard beat HC?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 2, 2023 9:36:28 GMT -5
Bottom line: It wasn't Harvard's size that made the difference and I'd bet it also wasn't there greater strength. Quickness? Probably. Certainly their QB was hard to catch. He even looked like he outran Dobbs once or twice. Agree with this. I'd also factor in scheme being a big one. Looking at weights of offensive and defensive lines are overrated. Bit of a misnomer that having a massive offensive or defensive line in terms of size equates to a good line. Pretty much every Division 1 team (FBS or FCS) will have their offensive line average in the vicinity of 300 - 310 pounds.
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Post by gks on Oct 2, 2023 10:27:19 GMT -5
HC down to 12th in FCS poll.
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Post by deep Purple on Oct 2, 2023 10:36:32 GMT -5
HC down to 12th in FCS poll. Harvard is 19. North Dakota State drops to 8. It's probably been nearly a decade since they've been that low.
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Post by JRGNYR on Oct 2, 2023 10:51:49 GMT -5
Needed a few days on this one. Tough to beat anybody, let alone a team as good as Harvard, when you turn the ball over 5 times. Even harder when the defense has a tough time getting stops. HC had two opponents on Saturday - Harvard and themselves. Too many miscues and still only lost by 10.
Lot of defensive items to correct which I'm sure will be addressed.
More concerned about the Lafayette and Fordham games now.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 2, 2023 11:03:50 GMT -5
Yet Fordham lost to Georgetown…..,
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Post by JRGNYR on Oct 2, 2023 11:07:05 GMT -5
Yet Fordham lost to Georgetown….., Yes. So? Fordham still has the firepower to keep up with HC and a chip on their shoulder.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 2, 2023 11:07:46 GMT -5
So, if we are #12 and Harvard #19, does that mean the FCS Coaches agree with me that despite the loss, overall we are a better team . . . . just not last Saturday?
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Post by deep Purple on Oct 2, 2023 11:11:06 GMT -5
The kicker was forcefully contacted while in the air and knocked down. That can't be running into. It's either roughing or nothing. To be blocked into, the force of the block must be toward the kicker and that's what causes the contact. Had the blocker kept his hands on the defender and pushed him toward the kicker, that would be blocked into. But he didn't. The blocker pushed the defender toward the side. That definitely altered the defender's path and he ended up hitting the kicker. But it was the defender's own momentum that took him into the kicker. Also worth noting that the contact happened several yards in front of the kicker.
Chesney is never reluctant to complain about calls. He didn't say a word. It was a bad play by his own player, We can see from the video that we had return set up, not punt block. We should get the ball back on Harvard's side of midfield. No reason for the defender to go for the block in that situation.
goholycross.com/watch/?Archive=1222&type=ArchiveYou didn’t watch the post game interview? He addresses it and calls BS. It was close. Looks like they really like playing at Polar Park.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 2, 2023 11:31:40 GMT -5
So, if we are #12 and Harvard #19, does that mean the FCS Coaches agree with me that despite the loss, overall we are a better team . . . . just not last Saturday? The SID's who do the voting for the coaches agree with you...
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