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Post by efg72 on Oct 4, 2023 13:51:14 GMT -5
I recall someone asking the question of the cost to move from FCS to FBS - this was asked when Delaware BOT considered such a move. Post See new posts Conversation Sam Herder @samherderfcs The $5M fee won't stop schools if they truly want to go FBS. For example, a source told me it wouldn't be a roadblock for NDSU. Of course, the roadblock is just getting a conference invite. But the $5M will make it a tougher decision for some schools. It is $1m for a school to move from D2 to FCS Cost of 25 additional scholarships for football would need to be included beyond the initial check and the additional scholarships allowed for the other D1 teams pbs.twimg.com/media/F7nO1X5WgAEKDVx?format=png&name=900x900 |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 4, 2023 15:26:17 GMT -5
The $5M fee won't stop schools if they truly want to go FBS. For example, a source told me it wouldn't be a roadblock for NDSU. Of course, the roadblock is just getting a conference invite. But the $5M will make it a tougher decision for some schools. It is $1m for a school to move from D2 to FCS Cost of 25 additional scholarships for football would need to be included beyond the initial check and the additional scholarships allowed for the other D1 teams 85 scholarships is the expectation but is not a rule. Kansas State famously played with as few as 49 scholarships before the arrival of Bill Snyder and some MAC and CUSA programs may be getting by with less than 85. The big difference is that FBS is a head count versus an equivalency grant. Any aid for a player means that person counts as on scholarship. There are no "additional scholarships allowed" for FBS in other sports. it is the same for all Division I schools. |
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Post by hc69 on Oct 4, 2023 15:49:04 GMT -5
The $5M fee won't stop schools if they truly want to go FBS. For example, a source told me it wouldn't be a roadblock for NDSU. Of course, the roadblock is just getting a conference invite. But the $5M will make it a tougher decision for some schools. It is $1m for a school to move from D2 to FCS Cost of 25 additional scholarships for football would need to be included beyond the initial check and the additional scholarships allowed for the other D1 teams 85 scholarships is the expectation but is not a rule. Kansas State famously played with as few as 49 scholarships before the arrival of Bill Snyder and some MAC and CUSA programs may be getting by with less than 85. The big difference is that FBS is a head count versus an equivalency grant. Any aid for a player means that person counts as on scholarship. There are no "additional scholarships allowed" for FBS in other sports. it is the same for all Division I schools. He's talking about the requirement that schools provide 90% of allowable scholarships across 16 sports. I doubt any FCS school does that now, except maybe those that are the only game in town like the Dakota schools. No one in the PL does it and I doubt anyone in the CAA is in the same area code either. The $5 million isn't the problem. That's a one-time cost. It's the scholarship requirement .And for those that choose to add scholarships in football, they would have to add the same number for women. |
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Oct 4, 2023 16:49:45 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 4, 2023 16:49:45 GMT -5
85 scholarships is the expectation but is not a rule. Kansas State famously played with as few as 49 scholarships before the arrival of Bill Snyder and some MAC and CUSA programs may be getting by with less than 85. The big difference is that FBS is a head count versus an equivalency grant. Any aid for a player means that person counts as on scholarship. There are no "additional scholarships allowed" for FBS in other sports. it is the same for all Division I schools. He's talking about the requirement that schools provide 90% of allowable scholarships across 16 sports. I doubt any FCS school does that now, except maybe those that are the only game in town like the Dakota schools. No one in the PL does it and I doubt anyone in the CAA is in the same area code either. The $5 million isn't the problem. That's a one-time cost. It's the scholarship requirement .And for those that choose to add scholarships in football, they would have to add the same number for women. I doubt the Dakotas are giving full allotment in baseball and softball |
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Post by efg72 on Oct 4, 2023 18:13:49 GMT -5
The $5 million is a phone call to an alum or alums invested in the future of the Athletics of the school
Pocket change
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 4, 2023 19:49:54 GMT -5
Are SDSU and NDSU D1 in all other sports?
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 4, 2023 19:57:31 GMT -5
Are SDSU and NDSU D1 in all other sports? Yes |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 5, 2023 11:05:37 GMT -5
The 4 Dakota schools moved from DII to DI around 2004. North Dakota Fighting Sioux hockey was DI prior to that, of course.
They were eligible for I-AA playoffs by 2008 or 2009. NDSU had a team in '07 that beat Minnesota and Central Michigan, who had Antonio Brown. I think they finished #3 in rankings behind App and Delaware that year.
South Dakota State Women's Basketball is very good. When I was out in Brookings to see us play football, the fans there were speaking very proudly of that team.
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Post by alum on Oct 5, 2023 11:25:34 GMT -5
The $5 million is a phone call to an alum or alums invested in the future of the Athletics of the school Pocket change Are we talking about donors who would have otherwise given the money to the College for other uses or donors who would only give for this purpose? |
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Post by efg72 on Oct 5, 2023 11:41:23 GMT -5
My comment was for schools with contributors that generously contribute to athletic programs
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Post by steve81 on Oct 5, 2023 18:43:13 GMT -5
Basically it has been said on the Delaware board, media that in conversations for their 80M dollar project. They would donate if it was a move to FBS. It was the same for the Jacobsons. Just over 8M www.umass.edu/news/article/alumnus-martin-jacobson-pledges-558Glad you guys received the big donations for your IPF as FCS, but some donors have strings, as FBS. |
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 5, 2023 19:43:39 GMT -5
Well I didn't win the Powerball...
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 5, 2023 20:22:51 GMT -5
There is always Saturday October 7th. With the winnings, you can rebuild Fitton, as well as fully expand the Hockey Rink, and have few bucks for the trust funds for 5 generations. Wishing you luck. 😀
Looking forward to seeing the Puck drop at the new Cruskater31 Rink.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 6, 2023 5:16:56 GMT -5
There is always Saturday October 7th. With the winnings, you can rebuild Fitton, as well as fully expand the Hockey Rink, and have few bucks for the trust funds for 5 generations. Wishing you luck. 😀 Looking forward to seeing the Puck drop at the new Cruskater31 Rink. I mean I'm ready. The Crucis upper deck at Fitton with the HC87 press tower. |
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Post by timholycross on Oct 6, 2023 8:44:45 GMT -5
There is always Saturday October 7th. With the winnings, you can rebuild Fitton, as well as fully expand the Hockey Rink, and have few bucks for the trust funds for 5 generations. Wishing you luck. 😀 Looking forward to seeing the Puck drop at the new Cruskater31 Rink. I mean I'm ready. The Crucis upper deck at Fitton with the HC87 press tower. Was it a poster named Rick that had numerous posts about the (bad) condition of the Fitton press box and how JEB refused a gift from BC that would have helped with that? Should name it after him. |
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Post by alum on Oct 6, 2023 11:00:09 GMT -5
My comment was for schools with contributors that generously contribute to athletic programs That's HC. See the Luths and Smiths. And even Prior!!! Good news is that nobody at HC thinks becoming one of the smallest schools in BCS and playing a bunch of schools in far flung places that nobody cares about is a good idea. Let's learn from UConn's debacle in the AAC, UMASS's disaster in the MAC, and both of those schools failure as independents. Group of 5 football is no more interesting and certainly no better for the brand than FCS football. |
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 6, 2023 11:09:14 GMT -5
My comment was for schools with contributors that generously contribute to athletic programs That's HC. See the Luths and Smiths. And even Prior!!! Good news is that nobody at HC thinks becoming one of the smallest schools in BCS and playing a bunch of schools in far flung places that nobody cares about is a good idea. Let's learn from UConn's debacle in the AAC, UMASS's disaster in the MAC, and both of those schools failure as independents. Group of 5 football is no more interesting and certainly no better for the brand than FCS football. I would like nothing more than to see UMass and UConn drop down to FCS and play us with regularity again. Unless of course a third level of D1 football develops as the conference realignment dust settles and we all find ourselves in the middle ground conference. |
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