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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 8, 2023 7:22:55 GMT -5
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 8, 2023 7:36:57 GMT -5
wow
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 8, 2023 7:47:35 GMT -5
And his salary is probably somewhere in the $5-7 million range - I know one coach who did not sleep last night
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Post by mm67 on Oct 8, 2023 10:40:24 GMT -5
1978 - Eagles vs Giants: "The Fumble"- Giants had the ball. & were ahead in a close game. Approx. 20 seconds remained. All the QB needed to do was fall down as was the practice prior to taking a knee. Instead the QB Joe Pisarcik(sp?) fumbles the hand off to the RB(?) . Eagles DB Herm Edwards picks up the ball & runs it into the end zone for the winning TD. Coach was McVay(?)
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 8, 2023 10:50:58 GMT -5
Thanks for bringing up that painful (to Giant fans) memory.  |
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Post by joe on Oct 8, 2023 11:06:38 GMT -5
1978 - Eagles vs Giants: "The Fumble"- Giants had the ball. & were ahead in a close game. Approx. 20 seconds remain. All the QB needed to do was fall down as was the practice prior to taking a knee. Instead the QB Joe Pisarcik(sp?) fumbles the hand off to the RB(?) . Eagles DB Herm Edwards picks up the ball & runs it into the end zone for the winning TD. Coach was McVay(?) Albany |
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Post by mm67 on Oct 8, 2023 12:04:09 GMT -5
Still scratching my head about HC-Albany. Who was the offensive coordinator? Or, was it TG's call. Whatever. The buck stopped w/TG.
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Post by cmo on Oct 8, 2023 12:18:54 GMT -5
Cristobal has done this at Oregon too.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 8, 2023 14:02:49 GMT -5
Still scratching my head about HC-Albany. Who was the offensive coordinator? Or, was it TG's call. Whatever. The buck stopped w/TG. Difference was HC couldn't have run the clock out by taking a knee against Albany that day. Miami could have. |
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Post by timholycross on Oct 8, 2023 15:19:32 GMT -5
(1:41 - 4th) Timeout ALBANY, clock 01:41
2nd & 7 at ALB 21
(1:41 - 4th) Peter Pujals run for no gain to the Alban 21
3rd & 7 at ALB 21
(0:44 - 4th) Neil Morrison 79 Yd Fumble Return (Patrick Toole Kick)
The times shown appears to be when the event happened, not when the play started.
I think two knees would have left the Great Danes with 10-20 seconds to go 80 yards. Started at 1:41, which is 101 seconds. The knee and the 40 seconds make it 42-45 seconds a play. Albany clearly was out of timeouts.
Both situations were bad coaching decisions, IMHO.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 8, 2023 15:29:14 GMT -5
(1:41 - 4th) Timeout ALBANY, clock 01:41 2nd & 7 at ALB 21 (1:41 - 4th) Peter Pujals run for no gain to the Alban 21 3rd & 7 at ALB 21 (0:44 - 4th) Neil Morrison 79 Yd Fumble Return (Patrick Toole Kick) The times shown appears to be when the event happened, not when the play started. I think two knees would have left the Great Danes with 10-20 seconds to go 80 yards. Started at 1:41, which is 101 seconds. The knee and the 40 seconds make it 42-45 seconds a play. Albany clearly was out of timeouts. Both situations were bad coaching decisions, IMHO. I've made this post on a couple other occasions because I don't think it's as cut and dry as some remember -- Here was the situation:
HC leading 13-7. We have the ball and it's 3rd and 7 at Albany's 21-yard line with :58 left. Albany has zero timeouts. This means we were going to have to run another play on 4th down.
Here are a few ways to play it, assuming we got to that 4th down. What do you think is the best one?
1) Kick a 40-yard field goal to make it 16-7. A lot could go wrong here with kicking a FG (blocked, bad snap, etc.)
2) Kneel the ball again, thereby turning the ball over on downs. Albany would get the ball back having to go 75-yards in about :10.
3) Go for it. Pujals rolling out and throwing the ball out of bounds would take up the most amount of time. But, Albany still gets the ball back with one or two plays left.
Regardless of how this played out, Albany was going to get the ball back with time for one or two plays.
Option three is probably best. But, what if Albany were to have scored on a crazy play to end the game? Would we have been clamoring FHCTG to have been more aggressive on 3rd and 4th down, putting the game away by getting a first down? |
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Post by hc2020 on Oct 8, 2023 18:57:16 GMT -5
Cristobal has done this at Oregon too. Yes -You are correct. You would think a coach would have learned their lesson after the first debacle. |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Oct 9, 2023 8:27:51 GMT -5
Cristobal has done this at Oregon too. Yes -You are correct. You would think a coach would have learned their lesson after the first debacle. I don't blame the grown man who has shown he is a dolt. I blame the college (and NFL, too) programs that consistently hire morons because they "are a name." Even though those coaches have proven that they lack even some of the most basic decency, let alone coaching abilities, they keep getting chances over new and fresh names in many big time positions. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 9, 2023 9:55:57 GMT -5
1978 - Eagles vs Giants: "The Fumble"- Giants had the ball. & were ahead in a close game. Approx. 20 seconds remained. All the QB needed to do was fall down as was the practice prior to taking a knee. Instead the QB Joe Pisarcik(sp?) fumbles the hand off to the RB(?) . Eagles DB Herm Edwards picks up the ball & runs it into the end zone for the winning TD. Coach was McVay(?) I believe this was the game that made "victory formation" and taking a knee commonplace. Strange to think about now but prior to this, it was actually considered unsportsmanlike to take a knee with the ball. My dad attended a William & Mary-Rutgers game in Williamsburg in '74 or '75 and something excatly like this happened. Once game seemed in hand, the freshman pledges had been sent back to the frat to set up the kegs for after the game and when my dad and his frat brothers got back to the house, the frosh thought they were joking when they told them W&M lost the game. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 9, 2023 10:24:17 GMT -5
The worst part about watching that fumble return video is hearing the Albany announcers pronounce Guild as "Gool".
Also, looking at SOV list of options, if Guild doesn't fumble he's down around the 19, making the FG attempt 37 yards. I think I go with the FG attempt to ice it there. IIRC We had a decent kicker then -- Zane Wasp maybe? In 2015, he nailed a 50 yardee to send the Fordham game to OT.
Second best option is to have Pujals roll out and take a shot at the EZ or throw OOB on 4th.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 9, 2023 10:25:44 GMT -5
Still scratching my head about HC-Albany. Who was the offensive coordinator? Or, was it TG's call. Whatever. The buck stopped w/TG. IIRC Rock didn't come in as OC until next year 2015. And Pedone I believe was gone by then. Can't remember who was in between them, or if possibly Pedone was still there. Cazzie Kociolek? |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 9, 2023 10:27:44 GMT -5
Still scratching my head about HC-Albany. Who was the offensive coordinator? Or, was it TG's call. Whatever. The buck stopped w/TG. IIRC Rock didn't come in as OC until next year 2015. And Pedone I believe was gone by then. Can't remember who was in between them, or if possibly Pedone was still there. Cazzie Kociolek? Andy McKenzie, current Assumption head coach, I think. |
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Post by mm67 on Oct 9, 2023 11:34:28 GMT -5
Whoever. It was not a good look.
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Post by deep Purple on Oct 9, 2023 13:24:23 GMT -5
Just watched it again. 3rd and 7 on the 21 yard line. .58 on the clock and the pbp announcer says "play clock down to six" and they snap the ball.
Let the play clock tick down to one second and take a knee. On 4th down, let it tick down to one second and take a knee or roll out and kill a few seconds and throw it out of bounds. They'll have one play, maybe two to go 75 yards. If they can do that then they deserve to win.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 9, 2023 13:51:48 GMT -5
Just watched it again. 3rd and 7 on the 21 yard line. .58 on the clock and the pbp announcer says "play clock down to six" and they snap the ball. Let the play clock tick down to one second and take a knee. On 4th down, let it tick down to one second and take a knee or roll out and kill a few seconds and throw it out of bounds. They'll have one play, maybe two to go 75 yards. If they can do that then they deserve to win. You just made me watch this play again. Didn't need that on a Monday. If Pujals had kept it rather than handing off to Guild, he actually would have burned more time. In fact, may have been able to run for the first down. If we gave Albany the ball back with time for two plays and they scored a touchdown, would we be criticizing FHCTG for kneeling the ball? You could argue the way in which Albany scored was a lower probability than them going 75 yards in two plays on offense. |
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Post by deep Purple on Oct 9, 2023 20:04:24 GMT -5
If we gave Albany the ball back with time for two plays and they scored a touchdown, would we be criticizing FHCTG for kneeling the ball? You could argue the way in which Albany scored was a lower probability than them going 75 yards in two plays on offense. From what I recall there were probably 10-20 people still posting at 2am after it happened. You could be right about the probability. Personally, I think it's more likely to have something go wrong like a fumble or a blocked kick or snap over the head of the holder than it is to go 75 yards in one or two plays without any time outs. And hypothetically if they did pull out some type of immaculate reception or something similar to what Boise State did to Oklahoma in the 07' Fiesta bowl then you tip your hat to their creativity and execution. At least you had a strategic purpose for making the call. The other thing is there was no one behind pujals and Guild. They should have at least put their best open field tackler ten yards behind just in case. That being said it's easy to criticize when watching from the couch. As Fouracre would say "You can call it Monday but the coaches are going to have to make the call right now." |
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