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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 29, 2023 17:43:32 GMT -5
Actually, I was wondering if HC would get brownie points with the selection folks for a quality win using a backup QB. Thought this, too.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 29, 2023 17:50:25 GMT -5
First thing they look at will be our FCS record
I think an at-large bid with many injured players returning???is my desired outcome
Winning the PL is important but our best competitive chance at this point is as an at large team, even if last team in at #24
You can see Laffy is unlikely to break the top 10 even if they win out and remain undefeated in the FCS. Yes longsuffering there is a bias against NE and PL football that will take a few more years to address- we made a big first step last year but more work remains
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Post by efg72 on Oct 29, 2023 17:52:07 GMT -5
Actually, I was wondering if HC would get brownie points with the selection folks for a quality win using a backup QB. Thought this, too. No brownie points in football, only politics
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 29, 2023 17:52:27 GMT -5
But is "star power" a big deal in choosing bubble FCS teams? There are no television ratings to be concerned about until Frisco, unlike a bowl game which their selection committee has to weigh in choosing teams to invite. And how often does a bubble team go all the way to get on national TV? The quarterfinals are on national TV, as are some of the Round of 16. You don't have to go all the way to Frisco. Our game against SDSU got better ratings than some bowl games. That being said, if Sluka is in major consideration for the Payton Award, it can't hurt. Our recent playoff pedigree also won't hurt. But to tell you the truth, I think it should be clear cut now. Win out, including @ Army, we should be in without question. And at 7-4 (or worse) out of the PL, we don't deserve to be in IMO. None of the sideshow semantics should really matter. Just my thoughts.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 29, 2023 17:54:27 GMT -5
Duchesne? Interestingly, other than Fordham we don't play A-10 teams much in either football or basketball even though there are 15 or so of them in the Eastern half of the country. There is commentary lamenting HC passing up the Big East in basketball, men's hockey missing out on the ECAC or Hockey East, and football potentially moving "up" to the CAA, but not much chatter lamenting HC not joining the A-10. Was that ever a consideration? I believe we were invited to the A-10 when it formed.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Oct 29, 2023 18:37:02 GMT -5
Duquesne is in the Northeast Conference for football. Currently 4-0 in league play; win 2/3 of remaining games and they will secure auto bid.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 29, 2023 18:40:55 GMT -5
Look at all of the FCS STAT ballots-
many have no NE schools in the top 22
The committees process will look more like coaches poll
But as I said our biggest game of 2023 is this weekend vs Lehigh- one game at a time
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 29, 2023 18:51:22 GMT -5
First thing they look at will be our FCS record I think an at-large bid with many injured players returning???is the desired outcome Winning the PL is important but our best competitive chance at this point is as an at large team, even if last team in at #24 You can see Laffy is unlikely to break the top 10 even if they win out and remain undefeated in the FCS. Yes longsuffering there is a bias against NE and PL football that will take a few more years to address- we made a big first step last year but more work remains I don't discount your thoughts about geographic bias but have to think it's reserved with many other factors such as winning on the road with a back-up QB as a straw that could break the camel's back when it comes down to the final bubble pick between two or more teams whose major considerations are very evenly balanced.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 29, 2023 19:05:03 GMT -5
Winning on the road with a back up is not a factor, nor should it be
It is About a team and how it responds to adversity as part of its resume
My preference is to forget about the PL, we had our chance,and just play one game at a time
If we win and stay alive as a possible at large selection it has a greater likelihood of moving us forward than waiting for Laffy to give it away
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 29, 2023 19:19:27 GMT -5
Any thoughts on the Fordham AD replacing the Bucknell AD As the PL representative on the playoff committee?
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Post by timholycross on Oct 29, 2023 20:39:23 GMT -5
Duchesne? Interestingly, other than Fordham we don't play A-10 teams much in either football or basketball even though there are 15 or so of them in the Eastern half of the country. There is commentary lamenting HC passing up the Big East in basketball, men's hockey missing out on the ECAC or Hockey East, and football potentially moving "up" to the CAA, but not much chatter lamenting HC not joining the A-10. Was that ever a consideration? 1982- They added Penn State, Temple and St. Joe's; HC was supposed to be part of that expansion according to the Providence Journal who ran something a week before the other 3 got announced. Supposedly (at least according to my friend who always knew a lot about goings on at HC) Perry got us the invite and Brooks quashed it. I wonder what changed the good father's mind the next year when HC joined the MAAC.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 29, 2023 21:22:10 GMT -5
unfair to comment on what Father Brooks might have had in mind for athletics, since he is no longer among the living and able to defend his decision to reduce the emphasis on sports and eliminate scholarships
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 29, 2023 21:53:05 GMT -5
Father Brooks only had one vote on the BOT when it came to major policy and financial decisions. As CEO it was then his job to implement the policy decision and as needed to sell it to the stakeholders.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Oct 30, 2023 9:06:47 GMT -5
I have a vague recollection from a newspaper article, perhaps the student newspaper, of JEB saying something to the effect that the A-10 was not the right fit for HC since it was largely made up of state universities.
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Post by Ignutz on Oct 30, 2023 9:39:20 GMT -5
I have a vague recollection from a newspaper article, perhaps the student newspaper, of JEB saying something to the effect that the A-10 was not the right fit for HC since it was largely made up of state universities. I don't disagree with that logic, but the argument falls a bit flat when you consider Northwestern in the Big Ten, and Stanford in the Pac 8/10/12.. Each of these two private institutions appear to have maintained their academic integrity, and have also enjoyed a level of athletic success. But with respect to academic integrity part, I'm reminded of a comment from Fr. Brooks in the mid- to late-seventies. When asked about the biggest difference, athletically, between BC and Holy Cross, JEB responded, "BC has places to hide people."
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Post by alum on Oct 30, 2023 10:41:47 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 30, 2023 12:58:32 GMT -5
There’s no chance we are in a 7-4. A bunch of 7-4 Big Sky, Valley, and CAA teams would jump right ahead of us. I don’t even think we’d be in the conversation at 7-4, actually.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 30, 2023 15:25:34 GMT -5
There’s no chance we are in a 7-4. A bunch of 7-4 Big Sky, Valley, and CAA teams would jump right ahead of us. I don’t even think we’d be in the conversation at 7-4, actually. In the eyes of the committee we would be 7-3 and 0-2 vs FBS since FBS losses aren't officially considered.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 30, 2023 15:45:41 GMT -5
There’s no chance we are in a 7-4. A bunch of 7-4 Big Sky, Valley, and CAA teams would jump right ahead of us. I don’t even think we’d be in the conversation at 7-4, actually. I agree. The only way I think we'd be considered at 7-4 is if we lost to Lehigh with Sluka still hurt, then beat Army and Georgetown. We'd be a very bizarre case for the committee to consider. 6-3 v. FCS and 1-1 against FBS which would include a 3 pt loss to an ACC. And if Lafayette and Harvard win out, we'd only have 1 bad loss, which would've taken place with our best player out. But I was actually thinking, has any PL team ever gotten an at-large at 8-3? If not, 7-4 would be beyond unprecedented. Don't see it happening. Nor do I think we'd deserve to be in.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 30, 2023 15:58:06 GMT -5
There’s no chance we are in a 7-4. A bunch of 7-4 Big Sky, Valley, and CAA teams would jump right ahead of us. I don’t even think we’d be in the conversation at 7-4, actually. I agree. The only way I think we'd be considered at 7-4 is if we lost to Lehigh with Sluka still hurt, then beat Army and Georgetown. We'd be a very bizarre case for the committee to consider. 6-3 v. FCS and 1-1 against FBS which would include a 3 pt loss to an ACC. And if Lafayette and Harvard win out, we'd only have 1 bad loss, which would've taken place with our best player out. But I was actually thinking, has any PL team ever gotten an at-large at 8-3? If not, 7-4 would be beyond unprecedented. Don't see it happening. Nor do I think we'd deserve to be in. Lafayette in 2005. There's zero point to analyze ways in which we get in at 7-4. Not going to happen. I'm not sure 8-3 is a sure thing, but I do think due to recent seasons, "star power," FBS win, close FBS loss to a Power 5 team that might be bowling, and what looks like will be a soft bubble, we'd be on the right side.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 30, 2023 16:08:57 GMT -5
One game at a time- a ton of football to be played in the next three weeks across the FCS
If we are still alive and in the mix in two weeks we can look to see who else is part of what likely will be a very large bubble going into the last game. SOS because of our two FBS games might be higher than we think, especially if BC is Bowl eligible and Army beats Air Force
We don't control; our own destiny, but we do control our focus
Go Cross Go✝️✝️✝️🏈🍀🍀🍀
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 30, 2023 16:23:02 GMT -5
There’s no chance we are in a 7-4. A bunch of 7-4 Big Sky, Valley, and CAA teams would jump right ahead of us. I don’t even think we’d be in the conversation at 7-4, actually. In the eyes of the committee we would be 7-3 and 0-2 vs FBS since FBS losses aren't officially considered. Don’t believe this to be accurate. FBS games are factored in (win or loss).
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Post by efg72 on Oct 30, 2023 16:45:17 GMT -5
I was told, so not saying it is correct but
First is FCS record Second is ranked wins Head to head SOS FBS wins Other variables then kick in like strength of conference, polls etc
FBS loss is counted in SOS
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Post by hcpride on Oct 30, 2023 17:24:10 GMT -5
I was told, so not saying it is correct but First is FCS record Second is ranked wins Head to head SOS FBS wins Other variables then kick in like strength of conference, polls etc FBS loss is counted in SOS For information on selecting, seeding, and bracketing teams, the committee may consider comparative data of individual teams, including but not limited to:
Overall record Record against Division I opponents (an institution with fewer than six Division I wins may place that team in jeopardy of not being selected) Record against opponents from other AQ conferences Record against Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) opponents Head-to-head record Record against common opponents NCAA Simple Rating System (NCAA SRS) Data FCS Coaches Poll Input from regional advisory committeeswww.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2020-01-11/fcs-championship-everything-you-need-know(These are NOT like conference tiebreaker rules where one goes strictly from the top of the list and only moves down if necessary.)
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 30, 2023 17:33:00 GMT -5
Was FCS record previously a selection criterion? I swear I remember FCS record being a part of the criteria (instead of D1 record) in previous years.
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