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Post by hchoops on Oct 29, 2023 11:21:39 GMT -5
Men and women last.
Kit has done little or nothing for these teams.
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Post by HC13 on Oct 30, 2023 8:43:05 GMT -5
No, very little coverage of college minor sports in the T & G these days
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 30, 2023 8:45:39 GMT -5
Sad to hear that...but not unexpected.
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Post by hc99 on Nov 1, 2023 13:36:58 GMT -5
we were always last during my time on the team as well. not surprising. but they can all say they are Division I athletes so that's a plus.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 1, 2023 14:52:02 GMT -5
Looking at our fall sports results, HC specializes in that 'everyone gets a trophy' mentality - Is it really that satisfying ? We can do better. imo
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Post by alum on Nov 1, 2023 15:22:24 GMT -5
This is worse than usual, especially on the women's side. PL Championships place in reverse order starting this year and skipping 2020 Covid season.
Men 10, 9, 9, 7,7,7,
Women 10,7,6,6,7,5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 1, 2023 16:21:22 GMT -5
Looking at our fall sports results, HC specializes in that 'everyone gets a trophy' mentality - Is it really that satisfying ? We can do better. imo It's tough to try and be "everything to everybody", especially as a small liberal arts college that's striving for excellence in FCS Football, Men's and Women's Basketball and Men's and Women's Hockey. Plus at least some emphasis in baseball and lax. Outside of the service academies which are truly unique institutions, the best overall athletic programs in the PL are Bucknell and BU. Bucknell- no hockey and a shell of a football program BU - no football, no baseball |
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 1, 2023 16:21:32 GMT -5
FADNP is looking better in the rear view mirror.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 1, 2023 16:28:12 GMT -5
Looking at our fall sports results, HC specializes in that 'everyone gets a trophy' mentality - Is it really that satisfying ? We can do better. imo It's tough to try and be "everything to everybody", especially as a small liberal arts college that's striving for excellence in FCS Football, Men's and Women's Basketball and Men's and Women's Hockey. Plus at least some emphasis in baseball and lax. Outside of the service academies which are truly unique institutions, the best overall athletic programs in the PL are Bucknell and BU. Bucknell- no hockey and a shell of a football program BU - no football, no baseball BU has softball and women's golf but no baseball or men's golf. Perhaps to satisfy Title IX if they have many more women undergraduate students? |
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Post by hcpride on Nov 1, 2023 16:58:26 GMT -5
I wonder if we actually 'recruit' for men's XC or if it is more of the case that admissions tells Athletics Department. they just accepted a kid with a running background and the coach gets in touch to tell him about the team. That was precisely how it worked when I was heading to HC (and I had no interest in competing in college...although a coach did track me down at the start of winter track too). If we do actually 'recruit' for men's XC we clearly could go back to another method of filling out a team.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 1, 2023 17:21:34 GMT -5
I wonder if we actually 'recruit' for men's XC or if it is more of the case that admissions tells Athletics Department. they just accepted a kid with a running background and the coach gets in touch to tell him about the team. That was precisely how it worked when I was heading to HC (and I had no interest in competing in college...although a coach did track me down at the start of winter track too). If we do actually 'recruit' for men's XC we clearly could go back to another method of filling out a team. Was same thing for swimming, tennis and golf when I was at HC. Like tryouts at a big high school. Golf might actually recruit now. Rowing sort of a combination of actual recruiting in the prep school circles, I think, plus a lot of walk-ons to fill in the novice boats. And there were a decent number of top rowers who came in without HS crew experience. Men's Track & Field was more or less a "walk-on" team as well but Women's had at least some actual recruits. Some received grant-in aid to balance out football equivalencies and I imagine are on actual scholarship now. |
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Post by hc99 on Nov 2, 2023 11:39:35 GMT -5
I wonder if we actually 'recruit' for men's XC or if it is more of the case that admissions tells Athletics Department. they just accepted a kid with a running background and the coach gets in touch to tell him about the team. That was precisely how it worked when I was heading to HC (and I had no interest in competing in college...although a coach did track me down at the start of winter track too). If we do actually 'recruit' for men's XC we clearly could go back to another method of filling out a team. same for me...I actually went and sought out Coach K during the accepted students open house to express my interest in running. told him my times and he was like sure you can run for me lol |
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Post by hc99 on Nov 2, 2023 11:43:06 GMT -5
FADNP is looking better in the rear view mirror. And that would be a big fat no...I think Kit will do fine. There's not much he (or any AD for that matter) can do for the so-called non-revenue sports. FADNP chose to ignore the need for an indoor track facility during his time as AD and the decision to get rid of the fieldhouse and build a new facility without an indoor track happened before Kit. So, guess we'll see what, if anything, Kit does to help. my expectations are low. |
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 2, 2023 11:58:30 GMT -5
You're wrong if you think what's happening with minor sports is going to change - I know the academies are different as are the schools that do not sponsor football but I'm talking about how we compete with Colgate, Lehigh, Lafayette and Bucknell - all of which are in our boat and have limited scholarship funds to offer recruits, especially on the men's side - how are we doing against those schools ? not well
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 2, 2023 14:21:48 GMT -5
The only explanation I can think of regarding Colgate, Bucknell, Lafayette and Lehigh is the Ivy/NESCAC approach of weaving admissions, athletics and non-athletic scholarship financial aid together while staying one step ahead of an NCAA violation may be deeper ingrained in their culture than at HC.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 2, 2023 15:11:59 GMT -5
The only explanation I can think of regarding Colgate, Bucknell, Lafayette and Lehigh is the Ivy/NESCAC approach of weaving admissions, athletics and non-athletic scholarship financial aid together while staying one step ahead of an NCAA violation may be deeper ingrained in their culture than at HC. A few years ago a very good local (St Anthony's, Long Island) runner was heading off to Georgetown and in speaking to a couple of coaches I'm not sure there was much of a schollie involved but more the academic excellence/reputation and historically rich running program that attracted him. (This past winter 4 (four) Hoyas went sub-4 in the 1600 - in the same race...and their top miler wasn't even one of them... so it is a different running world.) |
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 2, 2023 17:18:47 GMT -5
Looking at our fall sports results, HC specializes in that 'everyone gets a trophy' mentality - Is it really that satisfying ? We can do better. imo It's tough to try and be "everything to everybody", especially as a small liberal arts college that's striving for excellence in FCS Football, Men's and Women's Basketball and Men's and Women's Hockey. Plus at least some emphasis in baseball and lax. Outside of the service academies which are truly unique institutions, the best overall athletic programs in the PL are Bucknell and BU. Bucknell- no hockey and a shell of a football program BU - no football, no baseball Bucknell sponsors three sports that HC doesn't in M+W Water Polo and Wresting. |
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