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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 5, 2024 9:01:41 GMT -5
The PL isnt changing. If there's any league that will be insulated from this domino affect its us and the Ancient 8.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 5, 2024 9:43:29 GMT -5
Are we really going to be in the same subdivision as Mercyhurst? From a pure "feels" perspective, it feels like we belong with Harvard and Yale, AWP, Navy, the Dakotas and Montanas of the world, but Mercyhurst and RMU? At least we are not in the same conference as them. If they tried to get in the PL (which calm down guys it wouldn't happen with academic indexes and the like) I'd rather be an affiliate of the mvfc. Only the present counts .... you have to be more attractive than your competition; where the competition came from doesn't matter.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Apr 5, 2024 9:51:20 GMT -5
The PL isnt changing. If there's any league that will be insulated from this domino affect its us and the Ancient 8. I tend to agree with this. Fordham potentially leaving had me nervous but with Bryant making an even number of teams in the CAA, those concerns have diminished.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 5, 2024 10:43:59 GMT -5
It can change, and I hope it does so the league gets better. The Conference of Convenience needs to become one that promotes superior academics and is committed to winning athletics. While the current league membership includes some schools with top academic reputations (Georgetown and Colgate), the rest of the conference is a level below those two schools. We should be looking for one or two other schools with solid athletic programs that can make the league a better option for players and fans. If we do this the additions won't be coming from New England.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 5, 2024 10:47:08 GMT -5
The PL isnt changing. If there's any league that will be insulated from this domino affect its us and the Ancient 8. I tend to agree with this. Fordham potentially leaving had me nervous but with Bryant making an even number of teams in the CAA, those concerns have diminished. Last time Fordham threatened to leave, the league bent like a palm tree to keep them on board. I don't think they're going anywhere. I think the addition of Bryant in football is probably also an audition of sorts for potential all sports membership down the line. Fordham would never be a candidate to join the CAA in all sports.
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Post by gks on Apr 5, 2024 12:20:39 GMT -5
The PL isnt changing. If there's any league that will be insulated from this domino affect its us and the Ancient 8. The Patriot League has gone through many changes. Would anyone want to go back to the Patriot League as originally constructed? ? No scholarships to scholarships being the major one. Many of their self-imposed restrictions have proven to be foolish. Leagues have to change.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 5, 2024 12:28:00 GMT -5
The CAA wouldn't have taken Bryant if they had a shot at Fordham. A few more media outlets in NYC than North Smithfield, in case lightning strikes and Fordham or Bryant makes a run in the playoffs.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 5, 2024 12:29:28 GMT -5
The CAA wouldn't have taken Bryant if they had a shot at Fordham. A few more media outlets in NYC than North Smithfield, in case lightning strikes and Fordham or Bryant makes a run in the playoffs. They don't have a shot at Fordham. Fordham isn't leaving the A10 for the CAA.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Apr 5, 2024 12:33:15 GMT -5
I tend to agree with this. Fordham potentially leaving had me nervous but with Bryant making an even number of teams in the CAA, those concerns have diminished. Last time Fordham threatened to leave, the league bent like a palm tree to keep them on board. I don't think they're going anywhere. I think the addition of Bryant in football is probably also an audition of sorts for potential all sports membership down the line. Fordham would never be a candidate to join the CAA in all sports. Exactly. 60 to 63 scholi cap is happening and I’m betting PL non medical redshirt policy will be reformed as well. Two things Fordham wanted desperately.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 5, 2024 17:36:07 GMT -5
BTW, Mercyhurst's move includes hoop; in a couple of years the D1 total will be 364 (MHurst plus West Georgia).
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 5, 2024 18:27:35 GMT -5
It can change, and I hope it does so the league gets better. The Conference of Convenience needs to become one that promotes superior academics and is committed to winning athletics. While the current league membership includes some schools with top academic reputations (Georgetown and Colgate), the rest of the conference is a level below those two schools. We should be looking for one or two other schools with solid athletic programs that can make the league a better option for players and fans. If we do this the additions won't be coming from New England. The PL should lop off the tenth place school in the President's Cup standings each year abd try a new school with a stronger commitment to winning athletics. I love these realignment threads but we often think of other schools as deaf, dumb and blind chess pieces who would be fully compliant with any way we wish to move them. In reality the PL probably averages less than one formal application to join it or leave it per decade.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 5, 2024 20:54:31 GMT -5
I think there is a will on the board but HC is the tenth place school in the President's Cup standings so it's not logical for other schools and leagues to invite us to existing or new conferences right now. The WCC is a majority Catholic league not too far below power conferences, at least in MBB. On the East Coast it seems like the better Catholic Schools, at least in MBB, are in the Big East and ACC (BC). The A-10 has 8/15 Catholic Schools and is a notch below power conferences. If DP can make HC the Colgate of the second half of the 2020s, maybe we could hook up with some of the not far below power conference Catholic Schools. www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/rpi-ranking/rpi-rating-by-conf
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 5, 2024 21:04:02 GMT -5
A school can play FB in a different league than BB and the other sports, so HC has at least some hypothetical flexibility there. But doesn't PL FB work like a charm for HC, with five or six OOC games per season allowing us to play up to a power conference opponent and still help us qualify for the FCS playoffs four out of the last five years?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 5, 2024 22:31:35 GMT -5
“Once great”??
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 5, 2024 22:33:58 GMT -5
It's midnight in America.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 5, 2024 22:37:37 GMT -5
Today yes, but the future isn’t understood or guaranteed Our board, outside of their financial contributions, offers little value for our once great institution Let's keep the football juggernaut going and watch DP bring HC MBB back to the tournament. WBB is already there and Men's Hockey is around the corner.
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Post by trimster on Apr 6, 2024 9:46:18 GMT -5
Are we really going to be in the same subdivision as Mercyhurst? From a pure "feels" perspective, it feels like we belong with Harvard and Yale, AWP, Navy, the Dakotas and Montanas of the world, but Mercyhurst and RMU? At least we are not in the same conference as them. If they tried to get in the PL (which calm down guys it wouldn't happen with academic indexes and the like) I'd rather be an affiliate of the mvfc. If we took an honest look at things, our peers in men’s basketball over the last 5 years have been America East and the NEC, the latter comprised mainly of former D2 schools from a bygone era. How does that feel?
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Post by rf1 on Apr 6, 2024 9:57:56 GMT -5
The CAA wouldn't have taken Bryant if they had a shot at Fordham. A few more media outlets in NYC than North Smithfield, in case lightning strikes and Fordham or Bryant makes a run in the playoffs. They don't have a shot at Fordham. Fordham isn't leaving the A10 for the CAA.
You assume the Fordham move to the CAA would have been for all sports. That was not the case for Bryant. They remained in the America East with only football going to the CAA.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 6, 2024 10:47:50 GMT -5
They don't have a shot at Fordham. Fordham isn't leaving the A10 for the CAA.
You assume the Fordham move to the CAA would have been for all sports. That was not the case for Bryant. They remained in the America East with only football going to the CAA.
Why would the CAA have a need for a football affiliate that brings zero possibility of all sports in the future? They literally have a 16 team football conference right now. Unless they think the New England schools might bolt and take my idea, forming America East Football. But no legit talk about that yet.
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 6, 2024 11:13:06 GMT -5
Bryant was able to go to CAA in Football because the America East does not sponsor FCS football. Typically if you join a conference and the conference sponsors a sport, you must be part of the conference. It's why Fordham and Georgetown are in the PL for football. Neither the A-10 nor the Big East sponsor (or sponsored) FCS football.
So comparing Bryant football affiliation to Holy Cross' affiliation is not applicable.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 6, 2024 11:18:59 GMT -5
Bryant was able to go to CAA in Football because the America East does not sponsor FCS football. Typically if you join a conference and the conference sponsors a sport, you must be part of the conference. It's why Fordham and Georgetown are in the PL for football. Neither the A-10 nor the Big East sponsor (or sponsored) FCS football. So comparing Bryant football affiliation to Holy Cross' affiliation is not applicable. Correct. Bryant as in NEC for all sports. They left NEC for America East. NEC told them they weren't welcome to stay as a football affiliate so they were in the Big South/OVC merger for 2 years. And the CAA invited them for football only, a move that very likely is an audition for potential all sports membership.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 6, 2024 12:05:21 GMT -5
In the MBB 2024 team rankings above, America East is #15, and the CAA is #18. The PL is #32. The CAA is a fine FCS FB conference. Why would Bryant change anything? America East has five of nine BB schools in New England, the CAA only has Northeastern as the one New England School out of fifteen (what's up with NU?) BB schools. Who goes from a nine school one bid league to make a fifteen school one bid league a sixteen school one bid league? If the CAA gets more than one bid most years, my apology.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Apr 6, 2024 12:14:22 GMT -5
I agree that Bryant being an affiliate CAA member for football and America East for Other sports is the ideal situation for them. Kudos to that administration and centers of influence for setting their athletic programs up for success and just more relevance.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 6, 2024 13:31:25 GMT -5
In the MBB 2024 team rankings above, America East is #15, and the CAA is #18. The PL is #32. The CAA is a fine FCS FB conference. Why would Bryant change anything? America East has five of nine BB schools in New England, the CAA only has Northeastern as the one New England School out of fifteen (what's up with NU?) BB schools. Who goes from a nine school one bid league to make a fifteen school one bid league a sixteen school one bid league? If the CAA gets more than one bid most years, my apology. CAA is absolutely a one-bid league and has been since the early 2010's when VCU, Old Dominion and George Mason left. However, year over year, it is still a better basketball league than the America East, at least for now. I would guess that 8 years out of 10, minimum, the CAA is a higher-ranked league. Stony Brook just left the America East for the CAA 2 years ago, so it wouldn't exactly be a strange move if Bryant did go that direction. But I tend to agree that if I'm Bryant, I'm looking to enjoy the best of both worlds for now. One thing that's nice about the America East is that, unless Albany or Bryant accept offers to join the CAA, no one's going anywhere. UVM is a model mid-major program and they're not leaving. Meanwhile, the CAA just lost Delaware and College of Charleston is constantly mentioned as a potential A-10 candidate. I've always thought Merrimack to the A-East for all sports makes more sense than the MAAC. Maybe if they start football....
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Post by timholycross on Apr 7, 2024 6:21:01 GMT -5
In the MBB 2024 team rankings above, America East is #15, and the CAA is #18. The PL is #32. The CAA is a fine FCS FB conference. Why would Bryant change anything? America East has five of nine BB schools in New England, the CAA only has Northeastern as the one New England School out of fifteen (what's up with NU?) BB schools. Who goes from a nine school one bid league to make a fifteen school one bid league a sixteen school one bid league? If the CAA gets more than one bid most years, my apology. NU joined a league that really doesn't exist any more- Georgia State, Old Dominion, JMU, Mason, VCU, Delaware all moved on since the Huskies moved in; that list includes two schools that made it to the Final Four this century in that conference (plus ODU had a couple of first round wins). One could say that's comparable to the Maac HC left versus what it is now.
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