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Post by midwestsader05 on May 11, 2024 12:28:41 GMT -5
PL AI & redshirt policy would be an obstacle for Villanova. Putting aside the desire by most on this board for the PL to loosen up, is the PL likely to change its policies to accommodate Villanova or any school? I do not know. We can posit this and posit that but we are not the deciders. I think the PL has a very attractive niche in Div I. I accept that most on this board do not agree and would want HC & the PL schools to loosen up & place more emphasis($) on athletics. If the PL were forced to change I would opt for the schools to go in the opposite direction and deemphasize further. Ain't gonna fly on Crossports. So much is in a state of flux, it is hard to predict. The PL is already reforming policies if you read above.
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Post by longsuffering on May 11, 2024 13:52:53 GMT -5
I've long thought Nova to the PL for football was a fait accompli....just makes too much sense institutionally, geographically etc....former coach Any Talley wanted no part of it but with the watered-down CAA, I think it's only a matter of time they join the PL for football They certainly aren’t against facing the PL in football (as it has been 2 or 3 teams per year recently…this year just 1 although it is the long slog to Colgate). As the CAA continues to change there are is a greater and greater chance Nova looks around at their league competition and wonders why they’re not with the more similar and nearby (ish) schools in the PL. Why they don't follow Delaware, JMU, UConn, UMass to G-5? They never had attendance like Delaware and JMU and don't have a whole state behind them like Delaware and UConn, and they aren't a State University like the four who moved up?
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Post by trimster on May 12, 2024 8:44:17 GMT -5
This is more bball related and also related to a post from MaineJeff on another board, but how did the 7 New England schools who consistently fought for the 4 ECAC playoff spots in the mid to late 70’s, end up in 6 different conferences? (I am including UMass’ pending move to the MAC as 1 of the 6).
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Post by hcpride on May 12, 2024 9:49:27 GMT -5
They certainly aren’t against facing the PL in football (as it has been 2 or 3 teams per year recently…this year just 1 although it is the long slog to Colgate). As the CAA continues to change there are is a greater and greater chance Nova looks around at their league competition and wonders why they’re not with the more similar and nearby (ish) schools in the PL. Why they don't follow Delaware, JMU, UConn, UMass to G-5? They never had attendance like Delaware and JMU and don't have a whole state behind them like Delaware and UConn, and they aren't a State University like the four who moved up? When the Nova board brought back football they had a very firm and public resolve never to again go 1-A (FBS). Costs and other concerns. Of course Big East football was a suitor but the idea of big time hoops and nationally competitive FCS has proven a winner. To say the least.
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Post by longsuffering on May 12, 2024 10:00:26 GMT -5
Why they don't follow Delaware, JMU, UConn, UMass to G-5? They never had attendance like Delaware and JMU and don't have a whole state behind them like Delaware and UConn, and they aren't a State University like the four who moved up? When the Nova board brought back football they had a very firm and public resolve never to again go 1-A (FBS). Of course Big East football was a suitor but the idea of big time hoops and nationally competitive FCS has proven a winner. To say the least. Where do we sign up for that model? I wonder if the drop off in "buzz" for lack of a better word between big time hoops and FCS football inhibits Nova fans from getting as excited about good FCS teams as HC fans have been during the Chesney era?
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Post by timholycross on May 12, 2024 10:08:03 GMT -5
This is more bball related and also related to a post from MaineJeff on another board, but how did the 7 New England schools who consistently fought for the 4 ECAC playoff spots in the mid to late 70’s, end up in 6 different conferences? (I am including UMass’ pending move to the MAC as 1 of the 6). Umass in your statement ends up being the first (Eastern Eight, morphed into the A10) and the last to join/switch conferences. Then you have BC (BE and ACC); Providence (BE), UConn (BE, AAC, BE again), HC (MAAC, PL), URI (A10). Are you calling Fairfield (MAAC) as School #7? IIRC they made the ECACs a couple times, then fell off the map when Joey DeSantis departed. Or maybe I'm forgetting someone. The decade had changed before BU and Northeastern had success.
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Post by trimster on May 12, 2024 14:44:50 GMT -5
Yes on Fairfield. They also had a very good big man in Mark Young. There was talk in those days of sending some of the New England teams to weaker areas like Upstate NY and DC. I don't remember it ever happening. UMass being left out one year probably contributed to them joining the startup Eastern 8. HC was the only team to make the field every year during the brief heyday, 75-79, of the ECAC New England playoffs.
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Post by longsuffering on May 12, 2024 16:03:11 GMT -5
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Post by efg72 on May 12, 2024 16:21:08 GMT -5
As this evolves is see a PL for all non- revenue sports A new version of the PL for Football
And if we get it right a Jesuit League- 12 teams for hoops( East and West Conference)
East Holy Cross Fordham Fairfield St Peters St Joseph’s Canisius
West Coast
Dayton Loyola Chicago Loyola Maymount St Louis San Francisco Santa Clara
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Post by trimster on May 12, 2024 16:36:37 GMT -5
As this evolves is see a PL for all non- revenue sports A new version of the PL for Football And if we get it right a Jesuit League- 12 teams for hoops( East and West Conference) East Holy Cross Fordham Fairfield St Peters St Joseph’s Canisius West Coast Dayton Loyola Chicago Loyola Maymount St Louis San Francisco Santa Clara I didn't realize Dayton was a Catholic School but since they are Marianist, you might have to substitute Detroit-Mercy.
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Post by longsuffering on May 12, 2024 17:42:30 GMT -5
Gonzaga and Seattle?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 12, 2024 17:57:27 GMT -5
When the Nova board brought back football they had a very firm and public resolve never to again go 1-A (FBS). Of course Big East football was a suitor but the idea of big time hoops and nationally competitive FCS has proven a winner. To say the least. Where do we sign up for that model? I wonder if the drop off in "buzz" for lack of a better word between big time hoops and FCS football inhibits Nova fans from getting as excited about good FCS teams as HC fans have been during the Chesney era? Definitely a factor. I have a few HS friends that I'm still close with who went to Nova. All religiously follow Wildcat basketball. They travel to NCAA games, go to the entire BE tourney and all kinds of NYC game watches. If you ask them about Villanova football, the comments will be either "we suck at football" or "we're ok in football but not DI". A bunch of HS '09 and '10 guys and myself got an Airbnb in Philly right by the Ben Franklin Bridge for the weekend of our 2021 playoff game. Was a great time. When I asked any of my Nova friends if they'd be around, they didn't even know about the game.
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Post by hcpride on May 12, 2024 18:27:08 GMT -5
When the Nova board brought back football they had a very firm and public resolve never to again go 1-A (FBS). Of course Big East football was a suitor but the idea of big time hoops and nationally competitive FCS has proven a winner. To say the least. Where do we sign up for that model? I wonder if the drop off in "buzz" for lack of a better word between big time hoops and FCS football inhibits Nova fans from getting as excited about good FCS teams as HC fans have been during the Chesney era? I guess if we had won a couple of March Madness national championships recently as a Big East basketball member our PL football team might be a bit overshadowed. Be surprised if that wasn’t the case and that’s a ‘problem’ we’ll never have to confront.😀
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Post by cruskater31 on May 12, 2024 20:44:24 GMT -5
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Post by efg72 on May 12, 2024 21:53:14 GMT -5
Loved the old ECAC North but without BC, Providence, and UConn that isn't even a longshot for a hope
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Post by timholycross on May 13, 2024 10:51:30 GMT -5
Didn't 2023 demonstrate that ypu can't just play FBS opponents tough, you have to beat one of them? Playing three of them is a non-starter.)
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Post by mainejeff on May 14, 2024 8:29:47 GMT -5
If I could have a dream all-sports conference (I'm not including any FBS schools....hence no BC, UConn or UMass)....it would look like this:
*Maine *UNH Vermont BU Northeastern *Holy Cross *URI Fairfield *Albany *Fordham
*Villanova as football affiliate
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Post by timholycross on May 14, 2024 9:47:47 GMT -5
FYI, UMass canceled 4 games with Army because of UMass joining the MAC. Might open up a trip for a Pl member to the banks of the Hudson.
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Post by cruskater31 on May 14, 2024 10:00:54 GMT -5
How about a new Big East with two divisions: one for FBS and one for FCS. Current BE schools with football plus the PL schools in the FCS division and many of the former BE FBS teams in the other division after the creation of the superconferences forces the ACC, American, and others to break apart. Xavier has been floating the idea of FCS football for a year or two and would join Butler, Georgetown, and Nova. The FBS division would then be encouraged to schedule their FCS game each year against one of their fellow Big East FCS squads.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 14, 2024 10:03:02 GMT -5
FYI, UMass canceled 4 games with Army because of UMass joining the MAC. Might open up a trip for a Pl member to the banks of the Hudson. Army just joined the AAC too. Aren't they having to shed a bunch of already-scheduled games as well?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 27, 2024 11:16:01 GMT -5
Now I'm seeing online rumors that Utah might be considering leaving the Big 12 for the ACC. Don't think they will but crazy times out there for sure. Utah hasn't even played a Big 12 season yet.
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 27, 2024 11:36:34 GMT -5
Now I'm seeing online rumors that Utah might be considering leaving the Big 12 for the ACC. Don't think they will but crazy times out there for sure. Utah hasn't even played a Big 12 season yet. I saw that as well and it looked like click bait to me. Don’t see it at all but nothing shocks me any longer.
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Post by Chu Chu on May 27, 2024 12:11:53 GMT -5
Now I'm seeing online rumors that Utah might be considering leaving the Big 12 for the ACC. Don't think they will but crazy times out there for sure. Utah hasn't even played a Big 12 season yet. They are certainly not "Atlantic" or on a "Coast".
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 27, 2024 12:17:36 GMT -5
Utah is on the coast of the Great Salt Lake
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 27, 2024 12:26:58 GMT -5
Now I'm seeing online rumors that Utah might be considering leaving the Big 12 for the ACC. Don't think they will but crazy times out there for sure. Utah hasn't even played a Big 12 season yet. I saw that as well and it looked like click bait to me. Don’t see it at all but nothing shocks me any longer. I thought same thing, clickbait. But with what we've seen transpire in the last year, it's basically turned into schools chasing every last penny of TV/streaming revenue and they'll be willing to travel as far as they need to make that happen. I can't wait until the highest level of college football de couples from whats left of the traditional conference structure. Then maybe realignment will go in reverse for basketball and other sports, and geophraphy and natural rivalries will matter again.
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