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Post by longsuffering on Jan 9, 2024 20:12:26 GMT -5
Bob rightfully thought the 31% football alumni participation rate for CAF/GC was a joke. It’s good to step out of the Crossports bubble at times and touch some grass fellas. While I don't know what the actual number is now, 15 or so years ago I was told by Advancement staff that alums who had gotten athletic scholarships (i.e. football and basketball) gave at a much lower rate than non-athletes or athletes who had not received scholarships. I won't get into specifics but that was an area that I focused on with my Class and the numbers improved and can confidently say higher than 31% for our group. As for Bob Chesney's comment, I think the term "unmatched" was purposely well chosen. I don't think I can recall at his press conference or anytime thereafter that he said anything like "I hope we can get Holy Cross' passion for the football team to be as strong as we had at Assumption and Salve Regina." Do I wish he stayed at least another year at HC? Sure. But he's moved on and I am confident that he enjoyed his time on Mt. St. James. We should salute him; wish him good luck (along with Jake and any other Crusader grad transfers that join him); and now, we need to focus on our future with Dan Curran. Bill Belichick has a phrase "he works as hard as anyone I've ever coached" which can be used about as many players as warranted. About Brady he used to say "there's nobody I'd rather have at QB." I believe he has upgraded Brady as QB GOAT in recent years. There's an art to giving a superlative to one entity without insulting any other entity.
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Post by jkh67 on Jan 9, 2024 21:11:51 GMT -5
"Many folks in JMU Nation have already reached out with their support. The passion at JMU is unmatched, and we can’t wait to be a part of the community in Harrisonburg. Go Dukes!” I am sorry too hear that from him. I know that sort of statement is a bit of a standard wording for a new coach, but was it really necessary? Guys, he's gone and good luck to him. HC was good for him and he was good for HC. But he's in the rear view mirror now. Let's move on. Ditto for this continuing obsession with Sluka et al. and their post-HC football futures next year. I wish them all well. Like our former coach, HC was good for them and they were good for HC. But they're gone and we should be strictly focused on Crusader football's hopefully bright future. In hoc signo, vincemus, baby!
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Post by hc1998 on Jan 9, 2024 21:48:10 GMT -5
"Many folks in JMU Nation have already reached out with their support. The passion at JMU is unmatched, and we can’t wait to be a part of the community in Harrisonburg. Go Dukes!” I am sorry too hear that from him. I know that sort of statement is a bit of a standard wording for a new coach, but was it really necessary? Not only is it necessary, its likely true...at least for schools at or below JMU's competitive level. Even back to their FCS days they would sell out their stadium and travel well, and from what I've heard from people that have experienced it, its a very lively gameday experience. We don't approach JMU's level of passion, now, or even when they were still FCS. And, just from a relations standpoint...its smart of a coach to engage the fans and tell them they are a passionate fan base, it encourages the passion. What should he have said?
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 9, 2024 21:53:31 GMT -5
Since you ask...He could have said they were "outstanding" or any of a long list of complimentary terms. This is not rocket science. Is it really that hard to find some term that does not allow comparison with previous stops?
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Post by hcmawfawo on Jan 9, 2024 22:05:26 GMT -5
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Post by hc87 on Jan 9, 2024 22:18:27 GMT -5
Ray-Bans, like any coach, is tryng to sell/boost his new gig. It's actually one of his talents.
What he will most likely learn moving forward, like Coach Duffner and others, is that coaching at Holy Cross was a privilege. He'll probably never again will get to coach kids (collectively) at a D1-level like he had at HC, coached at a school that gives so much passion (per capita) at a school like Holy Cross.
I don't begrudge him moving on.....like Duffner before him, it's the profession they've chosen.
Ches may have much success moving forward and I hope he does....but I think he'll realize how special a time he had at Holy Cross and will say that in the future.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jan 9, 2024 22:32:31 GMT -5
Eddie Anderson came back. Not enough hills he could make the players run up in Iowa. 2nd stint is never as good lol. But maybe Chesneys will be different. One can dream!
Eddie Anderson played for Rockne and with George Gipp! Coached Osmasnki and Kinnick. All while being a medical doctor. There is a biography out about him. Did anybody get to meet him? What was he like? Besides the tough face, praying the whole ride in the car and always being well dressed on the sideline!
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 9, 2024 22:43:32 GMT -5
Ray-Bans, like any coach, is tryng to sell/boost his new gig. It's actually one of his talents. What he will most likely learn moving forward, like Coach Duffner and others, is that coaching at Holy Cross was a privilege. He'll probably never again will get to coach kids (collectively) at a D1-level like he had at HC, coached at a school that gives so much passion (per capita) at a school like Holy Cross. I don't begrudge him moving on.....like Duffner before him, it's the profession they've chosen. Ches may have much success moving forward and I hope he does....but I think he'll realize how special a time he had at Holy Cross and will say that in the future. The initial run at Salve by the Sea must have been heady. I bet he impacted and helped improve those kids as much or more than any he will ever coach. The premise of this thread is that somehow Ches slighted HC and his other prior stops. However the number of former HC staff and players with him at JMU belies that and allows him to keep an appropriate connection with HC while not overshadowing Coach Curran and letting him take the Crusader baton from here.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 10, 2024 7:29:58 GMT -5
And no experts here ever answered my question if Jake Dobbs was eligible/could have played for JMU in their bowl game since he announced he was transferring prior to the bowl game? Presumably he signed whatever documents he had to do but is the timing effective only after the following season?
This transfer portal is most confusing if, like me, you don't want to study this like some constitutional law issue.
BTW, anyone else see the commercial panning the transfer portal like a black hole sucking in players? Think it's a Dr. Pepper commercial. Pretty funny. [But a "failure" of a commercial if I'm not 100% sure what the product is]
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Post by trimster on Jan 10, 2024 7:59:53 GMT -5
And no experts here ever answered my question if Jake Dobbs was eligible/could have played for JMU in their bowl game since he announced he was transferring prior to the bowl game? Presumably he signed whatever documents he had to do but is the timing effective only after the following season? This transfer portal is most confusing if, like me, you don't want to study this like some constitutional law issue. BTW, anyone else see the commercial panning the transfer portal like a black hole sucking in players? Think it's a Dr. Pepper commercial. Pretty funny. [But a "failure" of a commercial if I'm not 100% sure what the product is] It is a Dr. Pepper commercial. Not as good as Mayhem for All State but still a good commercial.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 10, 2024 8:10:15 GMT -5
Ahhh, the advertising gurus at Dr. Pepper will be ecstatic to know I was able to identify their product . . . . . but still never going to buy or drink it!
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 10, 2024 8:30:10 GMT -5
Dobbs was not eligible to play for JMU in their bowl game - that would have meant that he played for two teams in the same season. D.1 football is getting wild but it hasn’t reached that level yet.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 10, 2024 8:55:52 GMT -5
I am a bridge burner. One of the other posters here mentioned classmates that called exes to berate them, or hold out hope for a reunion. I am the opposite. If you want something better, whether it's a bigger-league program with a massive budget, packed stadiums, Brad Pitt hair... whether it's an objectively better decision for you and your family, or even not... I am done. Pillage the treasure, level the buildings, salt the earth, and burn the bridges. One man's opinion: if you don't want to be at HC, then you can go right to [bleep] and I'll focus on who DOES want to be here. That goes for coaches, players, administrators, past opponents. The past is the past. I will pay the same attention to JMU now that I paid them in the past = ZERO.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 10, 2024 8:58:31 GMT -5
"The absence of love is not hate. It is indifference."
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 10, 2024 10:25:56 GMT -5
JMU does, in fact, have better football support than Holy Cross.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 10, 2024 10:31:44 GMT -5
I am a bridge burner. One of the other posters here mentioned classmates that called exes to berate them, or hold out hope for a reunion. I am the opposite. If you want something better, whether it's a bigger-league program with a massive budget, packed stadiums, Brad Pitt hair... whether it's an objectively better decision for you and your family, or even not... I am done. Pillage the treasure, level the buildings, salt the earth, and burn the bridges. One man's opinion: if you don't want to be at HC, then you can go right to [bleep] and I'll focus on who DOES want to be here. That goes for coaches, players, administrators, past opponents. The past is the past. I will pay the same attention to JMU now that I paid them in the past = ZERO. Perhaps I am mistaking your intent but while it is clear you have indifference toward JMU, it sounds like a wee bit of hate for expats of Holy Cross: " if you don't want to be at HC, then you can go right to [bleep]" Did I miss you on the turn?
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 10, 2024 10:34:22 GMT -5
There is some angst, sure, in my parting words. I am not effusive of praise and wondering where they will live, how much they will make, will they get playing time, etc. GTFO of here, and now it's time to focus on who is playing QB next year and how many wins we can bank.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 10, 2024 10:40:16 GMT -5
Well, odds are Joe Pesansky will be our QB. As to wins, can't bank on any but somewhere between 0 and 15. [My bet is 8 or 9]
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Post by football44 on Jan 10, 2024 10:59:44 GMT -5
JMU does, in fact, have better football support than Holy Cross. Come on Sons. 20,000 student body population in the middle of Nowhere Virginia. Not a very good comparison to Holy Cross support.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 10, 2024 11:31:59 GMT -5
JMU does, in fact, have better football support than Holy Cross. Come on Sons. 20,000 student body population in the middle of Nowhere Virginia. Not a very good comparison to Holy Cross support. I'm responding to the original post in this thread. There was nothing wrong with FHCBC saying that JMU's football support is unmatched.
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Post by hc1998 on Jan 10, 2024 12:00:41 GMT -5
JMU does, in fact, have better football support than Holy Cross. Come on Sons. 20,000 student body population in the middle of Nowhere Virginia. Not a very good comparison to Holy Cross support. This is ludicrous...nothing can be better than HC as per this board. Monday night's game should be renamed "The National Championship of All Players who weren't smart enough to realize HC is the best place for them and who didn't do everything in their power to get admitted there"
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Post by hc87 on Jan 10, 2024 12:11:21 GMT -5
Come on Sons. 20,000 student body population in the middle of Nowhere Virginia. Not a very good comparison to Holy Cross support. This is ludicrous...nothing can be better than HC as per this board. Monday night's game should be renamed "The National Championship of All Players who weren't smart enough to realize HC is the best place for them and who didn't do everything in their power to get admitted there" It really should....
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 10, 2024 15:16:04 GMT -5
Come on Sons. 20,000 student body population in the middle of Nowhere Virginia. Not a very good comparison to Holy Cross support. This is ludicrous...nothing can be better than HC as per this board. Monday night's game should be renamed "The National Championship of All Players who weren't smart enough to realize HC is the best place for them and who didn't do everything in their power to get admitted there" This is one of the best things I've ever read.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 10, 2024 17:14:50 GMT -5
Holy Cross is a treasure. Crusader Football is the crown jewel.
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Post by steken on Jan 10, 2024 19:38:58 GMT -5
The support for HC football doesn’t compare to JMU. Period. Not even close. Capacities of both stadiums divided by average attendance at both stadiums.
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