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Post by possum on Jan 8, 2017 15:42:44 GMT -5
The talent disparity between these two teams is striking Bucknell must have had 20 layups today. If we don't force a turnover our defense is non existent. Our rebounding has to be as bad as anyone in the country. I don't see the optimism for the program many posters seem to have. Next year we will be playing with basically the junior class and the incoming freshmen not a recipe for success. Then we only have one scholarship the following year. My greatest hope is that at least a couple of the incoming freshmen are impact players that can be built upon going forward.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 8, 2017 15:46:11 GMT -5
I did not know that....just pulled some random name from my HC following youth....RIP Jim
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Post by gks on Jan 8, 2017 15:48:21 GMT -5
Basketball at HC right now is just a bad product. Both men's and women's. I'm done blaming coaches. I'm done blaming the AD. When you stink across the board in pretty much everything...it's much higher up the pay scale. The rest of the PL has blown by HC. It's really awful.
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Post by td128 on Jan 8, 2017 15:49:11 GMT -5
I figured that was probably the case but want to make sure he is properly remembered. I think he may have passed away shortly after graduation in 1977. Great memory and knowing a bit about his personality, I would guess that he is smiling.
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Jan 8, 2017 15:52:59 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 8, 2017 15:52:59 GMT -5
I would be very interested to see how much we are paying Carmnody and his staff, and in particular, Joe Scott.
We could have had Nathan Davis, and it most likely would have been for far less $$$.
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Post by gks on Jan 8, 2017 15:57:42 GMT -5
Could have Red Auerbach as coach....there is just a lack of talent in basketball programs.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 8, 2017 15:57:48 GMT -5
Basketball at HC right now is just a bad product. Both men's and women's. I'm done blaming coaches. I'm done blaming the AD. When you stink across the board in pretty much everything...it's much higher up the pay scale. The rest of the PL has blown by HC. It's really awful.Does that include the PL teams that the men have beaten? When did they "blow by" HC, after they lost to us this year or in the PL Championship last season?
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Jan 8, 2017 16:02:16 GMT -5
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Post by cfrivals on Jan 8, 2017 16:02:16 GMT -5
So then like last year we will stink it up all pl season and just turn it on again for pl tourney!! That was a flash in the pan, won't happen again this year, no chance
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Post by gks on Jan 8, 2017 16:05:00 GMT -5
Last year was a flash in the pan. Team got hot and rolled. When I watch this team, and the women's also, the talent is just not there. HC is a bottom-level PL program right now. It's too bad. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by jflare on Jan 8, 2017 16:05:18 GMT -5
I believe that Jim Gooch passed away after his freshman year at HC if my memory serves me correctly? Anyone else remember?
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 8, 2017 16:07:18 GMT -5
So then like last year we will stink it up all pl season and just turn it on again for pl tourney!! That was a flash in the pan, won't happen again this year, no chance OK, let me be specific...when exactly did the basketball teams from Navy and Colgate "blow by" HC? It must have just happened, I guess...or your opinion is a bit overblown.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 8, 2017 16:09:04 GMT -5
In February 2016, HC lost to Bucknell at the Hart by 25.
In that game, the basic seven man 2017 rotation scored as follows: KC = 13 MA = 1 MH = 0 AT = 11 RC = 2 PB = 0 JF = 6 (EG and CH = 15)
The starting front court had 14 points in February, 22 today. HC had three more offensive rebounds than Bucknell, 13 versus 10, in 2016. In 2017, HC had 6 offensive rebounds.
Simply don't have the size / athleticism up front to compete with Bucknell.
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Jan 8, 2017 16:10:29 GMT -5
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Post by cfrivals on Jan 8, 2017 16:10:29 GMT -5
Ok so the bottom feeders haven't blown by us yet, but I don't think over last 8 years we have finished that high in pl standings
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Post by hcnation on Jan 8, 2017 16:23:30 GMT -5
]We could have had Nathan Davis, and it most likely would have been for far less $$$. [ Do we get his current players on the court , too?
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 8, 2017 16:29:18 GMT -5
Don't give up on this team! If RC and MA had average days shooting the score and game would have been quite different..MA couldn't put the all in the hoop, and he got good shoots around the rim..If he was filling it up, RC would have benefited on the perimeter... I wasn't happy with the outcome, but when I see that glass half full, I think it can be refilled!
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Post by dadominate on Jan 8, 2017 16:40:24 GMT -5
So then like last year we will stink it up all pl season and just turn it on again for pl tourney!! That was a flash in the pan, won't happen again this year, no chance today was bad and i'm really, really disappointed in the performance of our seniors. ma and rc were awful and have not played with the consistency we had hoped, mh was way off and is hit or miss based on whether he is hitting his threes, and at was... well, at. a ton of minutes and almost no production of any sort, hence his team-worst offensive efficiency. it's essentially 4 on 5 on offense when he's out there. and he was out there for 35 minutes today! the bottom line is that ma and rc simply need to play better for us to have any chance at a successful season. they have the ability but are both wildly inconsistent. i'm especially annoyed at ma's free throw shooting as he is leaving tons of points on the table. he's down to 62% now, which is inexcusable for a good shooter like him. we completely let up the intensity defensively at the end of the game, as we had very few steals/deflections and this is one time i agree that we lost focus and let bucknell score at will in the last few minutes. that said, i think it's way too early to say there is "no chance" that we have a strong pl tournament. the league is not that great at all, and if ma and rc can CONSISTENTLY play like the senior stars they are supposed to be, i think we will be in the mix at the end.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 8, 2017 16:43:03 GMT -5
]We could have had Nathan Davis, and it most likely would have been for far less $$$. [ Do we get his current players on the court , too? They started a freshman today that scored as many points (5) as our 3-man-turned-2-man class has combined to score all year.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 8, 2017 16:49:43 GMT -5
So then like last year we will stink it up all pl season and just turn it on again for pl tourney!! That was a flash in the pan, won't happen again this year, no chance today was bad and i'm really, really disappointed in the performance of our seniors. ma and rc were awful and have not played with the consistency we had hoped, mh was way off and is hit or miss based on whether he is hitting his threes, and at was... well, at. a ton of minutes and almost no production of any sort, hence his team-worst offensive efficiency. it's essentially 4 on 5 on offense when he's out there. and he was out there for 35 minutes today! the bottom line is that ma and rc simply need to play better for us to have any chance at a successful season. they have the ability but are both wildly inconsistent. i'm especially annoyed at ma's free throw shooting as he is leaving tons of points on the table. he's down to 62% now, which is inexcusable for a good shooter like him. we completely let up the intensity defensively at the end of the game, as we had very few steals/deflections and this is one time i agree that we lost focus and let bucknell score at will in the last few minutes. that said, i think it's way too early to say there is "no chance" that we have a strong pl tournament. the league is not that great at all, and if ma and rc can CONSISTENTLY play like the senior stars they are supposed to be, i think we will be in the mix at the end. Dado -- You attacked me when I said the following after the BU game: There's a very ugly trend developing of the team playing with no life, emotion, energy, fire, and the more and more it happens, the more and more it looks like a coaching issue.Do you still believe there is no validity to that statement? I didn't watch the Navy or Colgate games, so I don't know what happened there, but I'm going to guess the guys weren't flying around with excitement.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 8, 2017 16:56:23 GMT -5
I didn't watch the Navy or Colgate games, so I don't know what happened there, but I'm going to guess the guys weren't flying around with excitement. Here's what happened in those two games: Holy Cross won.
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Post by jflare on Jan 8, 2017 17:01:26 GMT -5
All right here. Let's all take a deep breath and prepare for a victory on Wednesday over Franny O'H !!! That will get us back to 500 overall and in PL and we will see then from there against Lehigh if we can run on all cylinders and come up with an upset to jump start the season. Don't under estimate the importance of smacking Fran around at the Hart on Wednesday.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 8, 2017 17:05:44 GMT -5
God bless Jimmy Gooch. May he rest in eternal peace. We lost him way too young. Jimmy was a freshman when I was a junior. I believe he started as a freshman--certainly got a lot of minutes. Then with Potter and Vicens arriving the next season he lost a lot of minutes, playing sparingly as a soph and junior. All of HC was shocked by his death at such a young age
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 8, 2017 17:14:03 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Jan 8, 2017 17:34:45 GMT -5
I don't read dado's posts but since it was copied with caro's comment I may start reading them He nailed it. I've been saying this all year. This team is not playing hard. They didn't play hard last year but in the tourneys. Haven't been almost every game (except Monmouth in my opinion). Caro has been on it almost all season and dado is catching up. Coach Carmody's offense won't work with a team as a whole not playing hard.
Four games in March.
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Post by chicago77 on Jan 8, 2017 17:42:27 GMT -5
God bless Jimmy Gooch. May he rest in eternal peace. We lost him way too young. Jimmy was a freshman when I was a junior. I believe he started as a freshman--certainly got a lot of minutes. Then with Potter and Vicens arriving the next season he lost a lot of minutes, playing sparingly as a soph and junior. All of HC was shocked by his death at such a young age Jimmy died August 1976, between Junior and Senior year.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 8, 2017 17:51:25 GMT -5
God bless Jimmy Gooch. May he rest in eternal peace. We lost him way too young. Jimmy was a freshman when I was a junior. I believe he started as a freshman--certainly got a lot of minutes. Then with Potter and Vicens arriving the next season he lost a lot of minutes, playing sparingly as a soph and junior. All of HC was shocked by his death at such a young age If I remember correctly Jim Gooch, died either during or following back surgery.
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