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Post by sader81 on Jan 8, 2017 18:05:27 GMT -5
A very poor performance today. The boys couldn't shoot fish in a bowl. I cannot say, as others have, that they didn't play hard. They did. Their offense never got them into the flow of the game. They badly missed some shots early, and missed some short range throughout the game. They are better than this performance!
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 8, 2017 18:18:23 GMT -5
I don't believe in the notion they aren't playing hard.....what, because Malachi can't hit anything right now, he's not playing hard? Missing shots they absolutely should be making does not constitute an effort deficit, imho. What are they supposed to do outside of execute better? I asked Stork and he didn't know either.
I can take about everything except free throw shooting. That's real hard to take.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 8, 2017 18:19:54 GMT -5
I didn't watch the Navy or Colgate games, so I don't know what happened there, but I'm going to guess the guys weren't flying around with excitement. Here's what happened in those two games: Holy Cross won. Funny how some apparently only watch and comment on HC losses KY...
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Post by timholycross on Jan 8, 2017 18:20:24 GMT -5
Just change Jimmy Gooch to Peter "Snapper" Knapp, assuming he's still with us.
A bench player (actually a pretty good ballplayer whose career never got off the ground due to injuries)...his impending appearance on the court in a couple of games prompted this chant from the student section at the Aud:
"Hammer, Sickle, Monkey Wrench...Put in Snapper from the Bench!"
Glad I remembered that, some of you (most of you) need a laugh right now.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 8, 2017 18:31:14 GMT -5
My observations/opinion, FWIW:
1. PB showed a shooting prowess that I believe was reported when he was a recruit and would like him to shoot more 2. Not lack of effort but lack of execution today. MA's flat shooting style with virtually no arc leaves him little margin for error and to get a "shooter's roll." It either goes straight in or misses. It seems to me he has been too strong on his shots, like he's got the adrenaline pumping and probably putting too much pressure on himself. He needs to relax more.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 8, 2017 18:36:19 GMT -5
Here's what happened in those two games: Holy Cross won. Funny how some apparently only watch and comment on HC losses KY... Funny how a Sunday afternoon game with only one (terrible) NFL game against it is a little easier to watch than a Monday or Thursday night at 7. Not exactly rushing around to view the terrible product that is a .500 team playing against a 3-12 Colgate team on a Thursday at 7. Keep shooting though, chief. Team looks great!
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Post by dadominate on Jan 8, 2017 18:45:14 GMT -5
I don't read dado's posts but since it was copied with caro's comment I may start reading them He nailed it. I've been saying this all year. This team is not playing hard. They didn't play hard last year but in the tourneys. Haven't been almost every game (except Monmouth in my opinion). Caro has been on it almost all season and dado is catching up. Coach Carmody's offense won't work with a team as a whole not playing hard. Four games in March. hc70 and bringbackcaro... the "dynamic duo" of 2017! there's a reason that nobody ever agrees with the two of you guys. you're flat out wrong about almost everything, including this most recent position that our players are not playing hard. this team has limitations offensively and defensively and carmody may not be using the weapons (such as they are) to the best of his disposal. but to question the ongoing effort of our players is just completely inaccurate. while i think they lost focus towards the end of the game today, that's not all that uncommon for a team that is getting housed the way we did today. our players are generally trying and playing hard, even when they play as poorly as they did today. let's also make one thing very clear, because it's very clear that you two are framing this "our players don't play hard" position to make carmody look bad. if any player anywhere is not playing hard, that is 100% ON THAT PLAYER. whether it's division 1 college basketball (especially) or a pick-up game at the y where there isn't even a coach, anyone who is loafing it gets no respect from anyone. quit trying to make this most recent machination of your minds an issue about carmody. even if the coach instructed the players to take underhanded three point shots and made them wear polka dot socks, if someone receiving a scholarship for free tuition to a $50,000+ a year school for playing basketball isn't playing hard, then he would be wasting the money invested in him and he should be ashamed of himself. fortunately, this is not at all the case as our guys continue to play hard and clearly want to win!
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Post by bikeman on Jan 8, 2017 18:46:45 GMT -5
We'll end up with a better record this than last. Next year will be better than this year. That's what I want to see. Today sucked but you can never tell what to expect with these guys from game to game.
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Jan 8, 2017 18:52:16 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Jan 8, 2017 18:52:16 GMT -5
Not blaming coach. The effort was not there today all game not just at end as even you can't deny it.
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Jan 8, 2017 18:55:21 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 8, 2017 18:55:21 GMT -5
I don't read dado's posts but since it was copied with caro's comment I may start reading them He nailed it. I've been saying this all year. This team is not playing hard. They didn't play hard last year but in the tourneys. Haven't been almost every game (except Monmouth in my opinion). Caro has been on it almost all season and dado is catching up. Coach Carmody's offense won't work with a team as a whole not playing hard. Four games in March. hc70 and bringbackcaro... the "dynamic duo" of 2017! there's a reason that nobody ever agrees with the two of you guys. you're flat out wrong about almost everything, including this most recent position that our players are not playing hard. this team has limitations offensively and defensively and carmody may not be using the weapons (such as they are) to the best of his disposal. but to question the ongoing effort of our players is just completely inaccurate. while i think they lost focus towards the end of the game today, that's not all that uncommon for a team that is getting housed the way we did today. our players are generally trying and playing hard, even when they play as poorly as they did today. let's also make one thing very clear, because it's very clear that you two are framing this "our players don't play hard" position to make carmody look bad. if any player anywhere is not playing hard, that is 100% ON THAT PLAYER. whether it's division 1 college basketball (especially) or a pick-up game at the y where there isn't even a coach, anyone who is loafing it gets no respect from anyone. quit trying to make this most recent machination of your minds an issue about carmody. even if the coach instructed the players to take underhanded three point shots and made them wear polka dot socks, if someone receiving a scholarship for free tuition to a $50,000+ a year school for playing basketball isn't playing hard, then he would be wasting the money invested in him and he should be ashamed of himself. fortunately, this is not at all the case as our guys continue to play hard and clearly want to win! Dado -- Not sure if the issue is (a) your reading comprehension is horrible or (b) you're just bending words, but this is what I said: There's a very ugly trend developing of the team playing with no life, emotion, energy, fire, and the more and more it happens, the more and more it looks like a coaching issue.There is a difference between that and "not playing hard" or "not giving any effort." The team looks flat virtually every game. Other than deflections, the effort stats are atrocious. When this happens over and over and over again (oh and a frosh also gets chucked from school) it screams of an issue that goes above the players.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 8, 2017 18:56:02 GMT -5
We'll end up with a better record this than last. Next year will be better than this year. That's what I want to see. Today sucked but you can never tell what to expect with these guys from game to game. Next year will be better than this year? ?
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Jan 8, 2017 18:57:39 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Jan 8, 2017 18:57:39 GMT -5
Not blaming coach. The effort was not there today all game not just at end as even you can't deny it.
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Post by purple71 on Jan 8, 2017 19:16:38 GMT -5
Just change Jimmy Gooch to Peter "Snapper" Knapp, assuming he's still with us. A bench player (actually a pretty good ballplayer whose career never got off the ground due to injuries)...his impending appearance on the court in a couple of games prompted this chant from the student section at the Aud: "Hammer, Sycle, Monkey Wrench...Put in Snapper from the Bench!" Glad I remembered that, some of you (most of you) need a laugh right now. Snapper is indeed alive and well. He moved to Florida last year but we still speak by phone at least once a month. One of the nicest guys I met during my four years on the Hill. He was a good player who just never got untracked due to a series of injuries.
Snapper maintained a close relationship with Buddy Venne who was a year behind us until Buddy's untimely death.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 8, 2017 19:27:23 GMT -5
Can't find Coach Carmody post game press conference. Anyone have a link?
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Post by ncaam on Jan 8, 2017 19:31:10 GMT -5
I posted some snippets above. Blamed the front court.
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Post by HC13 on Jan 8, 2017 19:33:25 GMT -5
Just change Jimmy Gooch to Peter "Snapper" Knapp, assuming he's still with us. A bench player (actually a pretty good ballplayer whose career never got off the ground due to injuries)...his impending appearance on the court in a couple of games prompted this chant from the student section at the Aud: "Hammer, Sycle, Monkey Wrench...Put in Snapper from the Bench!" Glad I remembered that, some of you (most of you) need a laugh right now. Snapper is indeed alive and well. He moved to Florida last year but we still speak by phone at least once a month. One of the nicest guys I met during my four years on the Hill. He was a good player who just never got untracked due to a series of injuries.
Snapper maintained a close relationship with Buddy Venne who was a year behind us until Buddy's untimely death.
Catholic Central if memory serves, dynamic HS player.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 8, 2017 19:46:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I found it. Yeah, he thought he needed more scoring from MA and RC. They each scored 7. We need at least 30 from them. MA said that Bucknell was out to avenge (my words) the loss in the PL tournament and were more aggressive. In the end, they wanted it more. PB's 15 were "bonus points" per CWC. CWC did give his version of "we don't shoot it well." The last coach was crucified for making that comment.
Just wish on offense we could stop passing around the arc for 18-20 seconds before someone makes a move toward the basket. Too often, we are refusing open shots early in the shot clock and then rush. Good news was that I don't recall any shot clock violations in this game which has become an issue the last few games.
I had picked HC to win with RC have an overdue breakout game. He didn't, nor did MA and we lost.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 8, 2017 20:41:15 GMT -5
Ok so the bottom feeders haven't blown by us yet, but I don't think over last 8 years we have finished that high in pl standings I appreciate your modification of your opinion. I can get overwrought at times as well.
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Post by Ray on Jan 8, 2017 21:03:30 GMT -5
I think it's dumb to question effort. How do you measure that as a casual observer?
There are aspects of the Carmody style of play that don't lend itself to what a casual observer would consider aggression at either end of the floor. It's a finesse style, not a down-your-throat style. I think it's easy to mistake that for lack of "fire", but I do think that it is a mistake.
Seems like an all-too-convenient way for the two people around here with an axe to grind against the coach, to try and advance their agenda.
All that said, disappointing game (not effort) today. Bucknell looks like they're still a good bit better than us. And I'm a big Nate Davis fan, he's going to be tough to deal with until he moves on to a big-time job in a few years. He's the real deal.
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Jan 8, 2017 21:07:20 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Jan 8, 2017 21:07:20 GMT -5
Speaking for myself, I ain't blaming the coaches for the effort. That's on the players. Recruiting is on the coaches. That has not been strong thus far.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 8, 2017 21:19:35 GMT -5
Speaking for myself, I ain't blaming the coaches for the effort. That's on the players. Recruiting is on the coaches. That has not been strong thus far. Cannot argue with that, maybe in November. Charles, Benzan, Floyd, Ziggy contributing. 2 of them recruited by MB. Nothing from current class.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 8, 2017 21:40:14 GMT -5
When problems are "team" problems as opposed to "individual player" problems, it's a COACHES problem. Simple as that. This team has TEAM problems.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 8, 2017 21:57:54 GMT -5
Simple ideas for execution
Crash the boards by the bigs. Attempt to get the miss shoots at the rim. 2 men in and 3 back on defense, make constant adjustments to the plan based on your set play plan.
Set screens for the guards, particularly for AT, PB and Ziggy
Realize the 30 second clock requires the PO to begin shot execution earlier in the set. We are not now running a 35 second set.
Don't give up a potential good shot at 12 seconds for a potential better shoot at 2 seconds.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 8, 2017 22:00:49 GMT -5
Dado -- Not sure if the issue is (a) your reading comprehension is horrible or (b) you're just bending words, but this is what I said: There's a very ugly trend developing of the team playing with no life, emotion, energy, fire, and the more and more it happens, the more and more it looks like a coaching issue.There is a difference between that and "not playing hard" or "not giving any effort." before you start foaming at the mouth and post this kind of drivel next time, why don't you actually read the post to which i responded? which directly stated - twice - that we're "not playing hard". forgive me for using the exact words of the person i quoted in my response, i'll make sure to bend and distort their words just as you do from now on.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 8, 2017 22:14:39 GMT -5
I think it's dumb to question effort. How do you measure that as a casual observer? There are aspects of the Carmody style of play that don't lend itself to what a casual observer would consider aggression at either end of the floor. It's a finesse style, not a down-your-throat style. I think it's easy to mistake that for lack of "fire", but I do think that it is a mistake. Seems like an all-too-convenient way for the two people around here with an axe to grind against the coach, to try and advance their agenda. All that said, disappointing game (not effort) today. Bucknell looks like they're still a good bit better than us. And I'm a big Nate Davis fan, he's going to be tough to deal with until he moves on to a big-time job in a few years. He's the real deal. agree 100% with everything here, ray. today was definitely disappointing. bucknell is better than us (talented and well-coached), but we would have been much more competitive if either ma or rc had played their typical game. some credit goes to the bucknell defense, but we just missed a lot of shots we should make. i think we will be more competitive the next time we face them than today, even on the road. on to lafayette. fortunately, i think we match up pretty well with them.
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