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Post by timholycross on Jan 18, 2024 20:46:56 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 18, 2024 20:50:10 GMT -5
In one more year does he qualify for tenure?   |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 18, 2024 20:58:16 GMT -5
He’s hoping to play college football with his son -like the Griffeys did in MLB
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Post by alum on Jan 19, 2024 7:02:43 GMT -5
Peter Pan
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Post by mm67 on Jan 19, 2024 8:18:36 GMT -5
New NCAA proposal under review. A separate division with a requirement of paying $30 thousand for at least half of eligible athletes. There are a lot of unresolved issues/questions such as TitleIX, , reduction in number of teams . See today's WaPo.
Also, it seems the NCAA is proposing a university/Nil partnership. Schools would be allowed to directly access NILmoney to pay athletes.
On the one hand I'm glad to see the hypocrisy of the student- athlete ended & happy for the athletes who can now openly receive cash.
Some guys are not academically inclined but are great athletes yet they are forced to go through the kabuki dance of college level academics to continue their careers onto the pros. This whole thing is not to benefit the athletes but to benefit the university's bottom line. Scholarships never equated to the money the money the athletes brought to the schools.It is exploitive despite false claims of providing an education/educational opportunity. It' BS.. I saw big time athletes talking about working deals by playing one school off another to go to the highest bidder. They were corrupted and quite cynical about big time sports. None were college level students. Of course some will try to put the onus on the athlete but that is misplaced. The system works to keep the athletes on the field/ court & not in the classroom.
Thankfully, HC has nothing to do with any of this.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 19, 2024 8:27:06 GMT -5
These discussions always remind me of the "certificates of attendance" that Syracuse gave to many of their football players in lieu of a diploma when their playing careers were over. Of course in today's world, they could simply keep attendng and playng even if the academic portion was virtually non-existent. I feel bad for the real Syracuse student-athletes, and they were some, who were not acknowledged for their academic work because of their college's practice.
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Post by hc6774 on Jan 19, 2024 8:48:53 GMT -5
New NCAA proposal under review. A separate division with a requirement of paying $30 thousand for at least half of eligible athletes. There are a lot of unresolved issues/questions such as TitleIX, , reduction in number of teams . See today's WaPo. Also, it seems the NCAA is proposing a university/Nil partnership. Schools would be allowed to directly access NILmoney to pay athletes. On the one hand I'm glad to see the hypocrisy of the student- athlete ended & happy for the athletes who can now openly receive cash. Some guys are not academically inclined but great athletes yet they are forced to go through the kabuki dance of college level academics to continue their careers onto the pros. This whole thing is not to benefit the athletes but to benefit the university's bottom line. Scholarships never equated to the money the money the athletes brought to the schools.It is exploitive despite face claims of providing an education/educational opportunity. It' BS.. I saw big time athletes talking about working deals by playing one school off another to go to the highest bidder. They were corrupted and quite cynical about big time sports. None were college level students. Of course some will try to put the onus on the athlete but that is misplaced. The system works to keep the athletes on the field/ court & not in the classroom. Thankfully, HC has nothing to do with any of this. This Senate Judiciary committee hearing was in October. Later NCAA president Baker announced the above proposal for consideration by members in March. It's almost 3 hrs long but some good give & take fi you have the time. www.c-span.org/video/?531036-1/senate-judiciary-committee-hearing-compensating-college-atheletes |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 19, 2024 9:05:33 GMT -5
New NCAA proposal under review. A separate division with a requirement of paying $30 thousand for at least half of eligible athletes. There are a lot of unresolved issues/questions such as TitleIX, , reduction in number of teams . See today's WaPo. Also, it seems the NCAA is proposing a university/Nil partnership. Schools would be allowed to directly access NILmoney to pay athletes. On the one hand I'm glad to see the hypocrisy of the student- athlete ended & happy for the athletes who can now openly receive cash. Some guys are not academically inclined but great athletes yet they are forced to go through the kabuki dance of college level academics to continue their careers onto the pros. This whole thing is not to benefit the athletes but to benefit the university's bottom line. Scholarships never equated to the money the money the athletes brought to the schools.It is exploitive despite face claims of providing an education/educational opportunity. It' BS.. I saw big time athletes talking about working deals by playing one school off another to go to the highest bidder. They were corrupted and quite cynical about big time sports. None were college level students. Of course some will try to put the onus on the athlete but that is misplaced. The system works to keep the athletes on the field/ court & not in the classroom. Thankfully, HC has nothing to do with any of this. We may be in agreement but expressing it differently. I do NOT support openly or covertly giving student-athletes cash or other compensation other than tuition/room/board/books (i.e. traditional athletic scholarships). Don't recall where but someone posted that some AD at a "big time" school openly said theirs are athlete-students with the emphasis that athletics came first. I agree, the hypocrisy needs to stop. How about the big-timers stop pretending a team is there other than to promote the school. How about a school "affiliated" minor league professional team and have pure paid, professional athletes that don't need the distraction of schoolwork? The NBA and NFL would probably like that. Then, no need for NILs or transfer portals - they are paid a salary and can get traded just like in the real world. As for scholarships not equating to the money they bring in to the school, that might also apply to Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan and the like but not to the Patriot League or probably any FCS and lower division basketball schools. Yes, time for a change and there needs to be some delineation of schools that want to maintain a more traditional approach to athletics from the ones that feel they want/need to give their athletes a Porsche to drive around in and a penthouse to live in while attending the occasional class while a TA writes their papers. Congress needs to act. They won't. |
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Post by mm67 on Jan 19, 2024 16:46:56 GMT -5
New NCAA proposal under review. A separate division with a requirement of paying $30 thousand for at least half of eligible athletes. There are a lot of unresolved issues/questions such as TitleIX, , reduction in number of teams . See today's WaPo. Also, it seems the NCAA is proposing a university/Nil partnership. Schools would be allowed to directly access NILmoney to pay athletes. On the one hand I'm glad to see the hypocrisy of the student- athlete ended & happy for the athletes who can now openly receive cash. Some guys are not academically inclined but great athletes yet they are forced to go through the kabuki dance of college level academics to continue their careers onto the pros. This whole thing is not to benefit the athletes but to benefit the university's bottom line. Scholarships never equated to the money the money the athletes brought to the schools.It is exploitive despite face claims of providing an education/educational opportunity. It' BS.. I saw big time athletes talking about working deals by playing one school off another to go to the highest bidder. They were corrupted and quite cynical about big time sports. None were college level students. Of course some will try to put the onus on the athlete but that is misplaced. The system works to keep the athletes on the field/ court & not in the classroom. Thankfully, HC has nothing to do with any of this. We may be in agreement but expressing it differently. I do NOT support openly or covertly giving student-athletes cash or other compensation other than tuition/room/board/books (i.e. traditional athletic scholarships). Don't recall where but someone posted that some AD at a "big time" school openly said theirs are athlete-students with the emphasis that athletics came first. I agree, the hypocrisy needs to stop. How about the big-timers stop pretending a team is there other than to promote the school. How about a school "affiliated" minor league professional team and have pure paid, professional athletes that don't need the distraction of schoolwork? The NBA and NFL would probably like that. Then, no need for NILs or transfer portals - they are paid a salary and can get traded just like in the real world. As for scholarships not equating to the money they bring in to the school, that might also apply to Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan and the like but not to the Patriot League or probably any FCS and lower division basketball schools. Yes, time for a change and there needs to be some delineation of schools that want to maintain a more traditional approach to athletics from the ones that feel they want/need to give their athletes a Porsche to drive around in and a penthouse to live in while attending the occasional class while a TA writes their papers. Congress needs to act. They won't. Yup! |
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Post by 78purple on Jan 19, 2024 18:40:00 GMT -5
We may be in agreement but expressing it differently. I do NOT support openly or covertly giving student-athletes cash or other compensation other than tuition/room/board/books (i.e. traditional athletic scholarships). Don't recall where but someone posted that some AD at a "big time" school openly said theirs are athlete-students with the emphasis that athletics came first. I agree, the hypocrisy needs to stop. How about the big-timers stop pretending a team is there other than to promote the school. How about a school "affiliated" minor league professional team and have pure paid, professional athletes that don't need the distraction of schoolwork? The NBA and NFL would probably like that. Then, no need for NILs or transfer portals - they are paid a salary and can get traded just like in the real world. As for scholarships not equating to the money they bring in to the school, that might also apply to Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan and the like but not to the Patriot League or probably any FCS and lower division basketball schools. Yes, time for a change and there needs to be some delineation of schools that want to maintain a more traditional approach to athletics from the ones that feel they want/need to give their athletes a Porsche to drive around in and a penthouse to live in while attending the occasional class while a TA writes their papers. Congress needs to act. They won't. Yup! Hypocrisy has been around a long time....Back in the dark ages, Cam Newton literally never attended a class @ Auburn.....but, he delivered a national championship....what else is really important ?? |
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Post by hc69 on Jan 19, 2024 22:49:00 GMT -5
Newton graduated from Auburn. If he never attended a single class, then the faculty members who taught the courses he never attended and gave him the passing grades he never earned,would be guilty of academic fraud. No way that many faculty members would risk their careers doing that, even for a star athlete. Especially at a place like Auburn, which has a solid academic reputation.
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Post by mm67 on Jan 20, 2024 5:49:15 GMT -5
Obviously, academic reputations can be misleading. For instance, UNC promotes itself as a "public ivy" yet for years the school had phantom classes for athletes. Fraudulent academics are more the rule among famous big time athletics schools. Reputation is a function of PR. I have no doubt one could get a fine education at Auburn, UNC, Syracuse or SamHouston State or wherever. Many of these schools made famous through athletics have a special cut out for those who come to the schools to play games. As in private life money can buy reputations.
I admire most those schools such as HC, the PL ,the IL & there are others in Div I which eschew playing games with fraudulent academics for their athletes. Some may not be as famous as the big time b-ball, f-ball schools. They may not have bought great reputations based on being famous, But their underlying values based on honesty & integrity set them apart.
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