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Post by Ray on Jan 23, 2024 10:55:29 GMT -5
SI didn't die because of choices they made re: who to put on their cover. They died because, like so many other print giants of the last century, they never successfully adjusted their business model to the internet. In their most recent incarnation, after the SI name/brand was acquired by a private equity outfit and licensed out for use to the current "company", they were essentially the opposite of the well-written, long-form, informative articles and top-shelf photography that is associated with their brand. That model was ill-conceived and predictably didn't work. But that model was just the last of several unsuccessful pivots over the last 20+ years. That's the more accurate, but less catchy story than "they put a trans person on their cover, that's why they went out of business".
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Post by Ray on Jan 23, 2024 11:01:50 GMT -5
You know me, so I would suggest that consider some alternative theories to calling me a bigot. Is it possible that schools and others who are “supporting” young people by convincing them it’s okay to be a different gender or no gender (call me they/them or zid/zer!) or a horse or cat (yes, many kids out there identifying as animals in my local school and meowing at each other) are actually really effing up for life a lot of kids who are just going through a tough phase or who don’t conform neatly to gender stereotypes or don’t fit in socially at a young age? Is is a social good that young girls who are tomboys (like my wife used to be) often now decide in large numbers that they’re really boys at a very young age? My daughter is friends with two girls who are both tomboys. A few years ago, both were very close to declaring themselves boys because that’s what kids are being trained to think now. You can pick whatever gender you want or no gender. It can change whenever you want. Luckily, their parents did a great job navigating their situations with great skill and love and three years later both are girls who love sports and other ‘boy” things but they’re still girls and and seemingly very happy. There are a lot of good people who see this issue very differently than you based on their own experiences and maybe based on different sources of information than yours. You’re not going to make me or others out to be “bigots” just like people who don’t like brown people because you think this is obviously all the same type of thing to you. This is not simple or the same thing but congrats on pushing the narrative that it is and declaring anyone who dares disagree with your views as a bigot. Sorry, while I don't want to try and tell you what is or isn't happening in your school district.... this one comes up a lot and it just isn't a thing: www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/urban-myth-litter-boxes-schools-became-gop-talking-point-rcna51439
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 23, 2024 11:54:00 GMT -5
There was a time when adverstisments didn't feature black or Hispanic Americans except for products specficially targeted to those groups. Then, minority celebrities were utitlized and then finally, over time, "regular" people were added. Interracial couples were not featured in advertising for even longer and we've only started seeing same sex couples regularly in advertising in recent years. The apparent push back about the use of a trans person in a Bud Light campaign doesn't say something bad about the Budweiser people, it says something bad about people that are offended by it. It shows us that there are bigots in the world. I am sorry if people find transgenderism problematic. I suspect they just think it is "icky." I also can't believe that very many of us haven't had the experience of knowing families who have had members transition. Should those friends, neighbors and relatives be boycotted, too? You know me, so I would suggest that consider some alternative theories to calling me a bigot. Is it possible that schools and others who are “supporting” young people by convincing them it’s okay to be a different gender or no gender (call me they/them or zid/zer!) or a horse or cat (yes, many kids out there identifying as animals in my local school and meowing at each other) are actually really effing up for life a lot of kids who are just going through a tough phase or who don’t conform neatly to gender stereotypes or don’t fit in socially at a young age? Is is a social good that young girls who are tomboys (like my wife used to be) often now decide in large numbers that they’re really boys at a very young age? My daughter is friends with two girls who are both tomboys. A few years ago, both were very close to declaring themselves boys because that’s what kids are being trained to think now. You can pick whatever gender you want or no gender. It can change whenever you want. Luckily, their parents did a great job navigating their situations with great skill and love and three years later both are girls who love sports and other ‘boy” things but they’re still girls and and seemingly very happy. There are a lot of good people who see this issue very differently than you based on their own experiences and maybe based on different sources of information than yours. You’re not going to make me or others out to be “bigots” just like people who don’t like brown people because you think this is obviously all the same type of thing to you. This is not simple or the same thing but congrats on pushing the narrative that it is and declaring anyone who dares disagree with your views as a bigot. How does someone that is Trans do anything to affect your life? People should focus on themselves and stop worrying about what other people are doing with their lives.
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Post by Tom on Jan 23, 2024 11:54:41 GMT -5
You know me, so I would suggest that consider some alternative theories to calling me a bigot. Is it possible that schools and others who are “supporting” young people by convincing them it’s okay to be a different gender or no gender (call me they/them or zid/zer!) or a horse or cat (yes, many kids out there identifying as animals in my local school and meowing at each other) are actually really effing up for life a lot of kids who are just going through a tough phase or who don’t conform neatly to gender stereotypes or don’t fit in socially at a young age? Is is a social good that young girls who are tomboys (like my wife used to be) often now decide in large numbers that they’re really boys at a very young age? My daughter is friends with two girls who are both tomboys. A few years ago, both were very close to declaring themselves boys because that’s what kids are being trained to think now. You can pick whatever gender you want or no gender. It can change whenever you want. Luckily, their parents did a great job navigating their situations with great skill and love and three years later both are girls who love sports and other ‘boy” things but they’re still girls and and seemingly very happy. There are a lot of good people who see this issue very differently than you based on their own experiences and maybe based on different sources of information than yours. You’re not going to make me or others out to be “bigots” just like people who don’t like brown people because you think this is obviously all the same type of thing to you. This is not simple or the same thing but congrats on pushing the narrative that it is and declaring anyone who dares disagree with your views as a bigot. Sorry, while I don't want to try and tell you what is or isn't happening in your school district.... this one comes up a lot and it just isn't a thing: www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/urban-myth-litter-boxes-schools-became-gop-talking-point-rcna51439That link is only about litter boxes. It even says the vast majority of "furries" still identify as human beings, which implies to me that some do not identify as human beings. I do not have school age children. However, I know teachers that say there are kids claiming to be animals in their classrooms and administration says they have to go along with it. There might not be litterboxes all over the country, however, I am hearing a decent number of stories like HC92 (who never said anything about a litterbox). I would put more credence than what HC92 says is happening in his kids' school than when I say I know a teacher who has it happening in their class with my added level of separation. Off topic, I subscribed to SI in my 20's and 30's and it was very good. I have not read it in years, but am still sorry to see it go
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 23, 2024 11:59:04 GMT -5
I am in the same boat. I subscribed for years then drifted away with so many other sources for sports info and pictures. I am also sorry to see SI go under.
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Post by beaven302 on Jan 23, 2024 14:25:15 GMT -5
I had the same experience. Years after I stopped reading SI, I looked at a copy in a doctor’s office and was struck at how much it had gone downhill.
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Post by HC13 on Jan 23, 2024 14:52:23 GMT -5
My Dad subscribed starting in the fifties, I purchased my own in the 70;s & hung in there until recently, my last subscription was converted into a monthly in 2019 & just ran out a few months ago. Unfortunately, I lost interest in large part because the writing quality declined & also seemed less about sports than social issues. Oh well, I will still miss it, I wonder if the internet site sill survive.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 23, 2024 15:40:04 GMT -5
You know me, so I would suggest that consider some alternative theories to calling me a bigot. Is it possible that schools and others who are “supporting” young people by convincing them it’s okay to be a different gender or no gender (call me they/them or zid/zer!) or a horse or cat (yes, many kids out there identifying as animals in my local school and meowing at each other) are actually really effing up for life a lot of kids who are just going through a tough phase or who don’t conform neatly to gender stereotypes or don’t fit in socially at a young age? Is is a social good that young girls who are tomboys (like my wife used to be) often now decide in large numbers that they’re really boys at a very young age? My daughter is friends with two girls who are both tomboys. A few years ago, both were very close to declaring themselves boys because that’s what kids are being trained to think now. You can pick whatever gender you want or no gender. It can change whenever you want. Luckily, their parents did a great job navigating their situations with great skill and love and three years later both are girls who love sports and other ‘boy” things but they’re still girls and and seemingly very happy. There are a lot of good people who see this issue very differently than you based on their own experiences and maybe based on different sources of information than yours. You’re not going to make me or others out to be “bigots” just like people who don’t like brown people because you think this is obviously all the same type of thing to you. This is not simple or the same thing but congrats on pushing the narrative that it is and declaring anyone who dares disagree with your views as a bigot. Sorry, while I don't want to try and tell you what is or isn't happening in your school district.... this one comes up a lot and it just isn't a thing: www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/urban-myth-litter-boxes-schools-became-gop-talking-point-rcna51439Excellent idea not to tell me what’s happening in my daughter’s school. Because you would have no clue and I would. But thanks for the irrelevant link about litter boxes. I don’t recall saying there are litter boxes but I do know that’s the go-to response on this issue instead of dealing with the actual issue of kids saying they’re cats or horses or frogs and the schools allowing and even embracing it.
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Post by Tom on Jan 23, 2024 16:06:26 GMT -5
Excellent idea not to tell me what’s happening in my daughter’s school. Because you would have no clue and I would. But thanks for the irrelevant link about litter boxes. I don’t recall saying there are litter boxes but I do know that’s the go-to response on this issue instead of dealing with the actual issue of kids saying they’re cats or horses or frogs and the schools allowing and even embracing it. Kids have active imaginations and can say they are all kinds of things. My own opinion is kids should also know the difference between reality and make believe. While my own opinion is that it is a disservice to the student to accept self identification as a cat or horse, I think it is wrong to allow self identification as a frog. We dissected frogs in middle school. It would be a bad precedent for middle school kids to dissect their classmates
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Post by lou on Jan 23, 2024 16:15:43 GMT -5
Excellent idea not to tell me what’s happening in my daughter’s school. Because you would have no clue and I would. But thanks for the irrelevant link about litter boxes. I don’t recall saying there are litter boxes but I do know that’s the go-to response on this issue instead of dealing with the actual issue of kids saying they’re cats or horses or frogs and the schools allowing and even embracing it. Kids have active imaginations and can say they are all kinds of things. My own opinion is kids should also know the difference between reality and make believe. While my own opinion is that it is a disservice to the student to accept self identification as a cat or horse, I think it is wrong to allow self identification as a frog. We dissected frogs in middle school. It would be a bad precedent for middle school kids to dissect their classmates
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Post by HC92 on Jan 23, 2024 16:17:16 GMT -5
Excellent idea not to tell me what’s happening in my daughter’s school. Because you would have no clue and I would. But thanks for the irrelevant link about litter boxes. I don’t recall saying there are litter boxes but I do know that’s the go-to response on this issue instead of dealing with the actual issue of kids saying they’re cats or horses or frogs and the schools allowing and even embracing it. Kids have active imaginations and can say they are all kinds of things. My own opinion is kids should also know the difference between reality and make believe. While my own opinion is that it is a disservice to the student to accept self identification as a cat or horse, I think it is wrong to allow self identification as a frog. We dissected frogs in middle school. It would be a bad precedent for middle school kids to dissect their classmates My daughter says the cats like her because they purr at her and that’s how you know. So I guess that’s good.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 23, 2024 16:24:59 GMT -5
You know me, so I would suggest that consider some alternative theories to calling me a bigot. Is it possible that schools and others who are “supporting” young people by convincing them it’s okay to be a different gender or no gender (call me they/them or zid/zer!) or a horse or cat (yes, many kids out there identifying as animals in my local school and meowing at each other) are actually really effing up for life a lot of kids who are just going through a tough phase or who don’t conform neatly to gender stereotypes or don’t fit in socially at a young age? Is is a social good that young girls who are tomboys (like my wife used to be) often now decide in large numbers that they’re really boys at a very young age? My daughter is friends with two girls who are both tomboys. A few years ago, both were very close to declaring themselves boys because that’s what kids are being trained to think now. You can pick whatever gender you want or no gender. It can change whenever you want. Luckily, their parents did a great job navigating their situations with great skill and love and three years later both are girls who love sports and other ‘boy” things but they’re still girls and and seemingly very happy. There are a lot of good people who see this issue very differently than you based on their own experiences and maybe based on different sources of information than yours. You’re not going to make me or others out to be “bigots” just like people who don’t like brown people because you think this is obviously all the same type of thing to you. This is not simple or the same thing but congrats on pushing the narrative that it is and declaring anyone who dares disagree with your views as a bigot. How does someone that is Trans do anything to affect your life? People should focus on themselves and stop worrying about what other people are doing with their lives. Some people aren't enthused about giving puberty blockers to prepubescent boys and girls before their bodies and brains have fully developed. I know, these people are crazy.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 23, 2024 17:20:16 GMT -5
How does someone that is Trans do anything to affect your life? People should focus on themselves and stop worrying about what other people are doing with their lives. Some people aren't enthused about giving puberty blockers to prepubescent boys and girls before their bodies and brains have fully developed. I know, these people are crazy. Is it your kid or family member? If not, maybe go worry about something else.
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